Strongbox or pennywize? - GoFuckYourself.com

loco12 · 01-27-2007, 06:46 AM

Been using Pennywize for a few years. Happy with it but time to have a look at Strongbox.

Who on here would say it was a better piece of software?

Brad Mitchell · 01-27-2007, 06:49 AM

As a host with lots of experience, neither. Choose ProxyPass - it will cost more, but it works all the time.

Brad

Jizar II · 01-27-2007, 06:59 AM

I would say PW is a toy for small sites. You need to get ProxyPass

loco12 · 01-27-2007, 07:16 AM

Does Proxypass allow the webmaster to block a member who is excessively downloading content, block downloader programs etc for a period of time?

Jizar II · 01-27-2007, 07:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by loco12

Does Proxypass allow the webmaster to block a member who is excessively downloading content, block downloader programs etc for a period of time?

yes you take care of these things in the configuration file where you can define all sorts of rules. PP is more like a server admin tool so you might need some help but the PP support guys are really great. PP doesn't have any fancy GUI but when you're used to it you'll like it.

loco12 · 01-27-2007, 07:23 AM

OK thanks I will drop them an email. They do all the installation?

interracialtoons · 01-27-2007, 07:36 AM

Seems like proxypass should be a one time download and not a subscription software.

The cost seems way too high for what needs to stop password traders/hackers.

In this stage of the internet, it's hard to understnd why server companies haven't teamed up with a software product and this sort of thing comes standard with a server. It would sure make those servers a lot more attractive to paysite owners.

rewn · 01-27-2007, 07:42 AM

strongbox is awesome, and the best support ever

loco12 · 01-27-2007, 07:55 AM

Proxypass is very expensive now I have looked into it. $48 a month!
Strongbox is a one off $100.

Is there really that much difference to warrant $100 forever compared to $576 a year?

interracialtoons · 01-27-2007, 08:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by loco12

Proxypass is very expensive now I have looked into it. $48 a month!
Strongbox is a one off $100.

Is there really that much difference to warrant $100 forever compared to $576 a year?

That's what Im saying. It's just a simple piece of software. It's not like you are getting an operating system; plus you could write this shit yourself if you're good at programing.

kowalsky · 01-27-2007, 08:17 AM

I have been using StrongBox for a long time and I never got problem with that, it works fine and Ray have always took care of any thing that I need, just great.

I never tried another product, so I can´t compare...

mike741 · 01-27-2007, 09:05 AM

i have strongbox - works great for me on over 15 sites - and good support !

HollywoodChris · 01-27-2007, 09:21 AM

I've used them all, Strongbox all the way.

schiz · 01-27-2007, 09:50 AM

Ray and Strongbox are great. Three years and running...

Big_Red · 01-27-2007, 09:51 AM

Strongbox. Ray is always on the ball.

fris · 01-27-2007, 09:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by loco12

Been using Pennywize for a few years. Happy with it but time to have a look at Strongbox.

Who on here would say it was a better piece of software?

stay away from pennywize, people that scan with proxies can get your passwords easier, since its all htaccess based, and pennywize limits each ip to x amount of ip connections a day. they just keep going with diff proxies until they crack the pw's

strongbox is an excellent product, and many people as soon as they implemented it, have noticed a huge difference, since its harder to crack image verification, and the owner is a really nice guy.

spunky99 · 01-27-2007, 09:56 AM

proxypass protects ALL 20 of my sites for the 1 monthly fee, if i had to buy strong box it woulda cost me 2000$ not including all the zipsets, proxypass will protect all yer sites on the same server.

TeenCat · 01-27-2007, 10:00 AM

proxypass, min 8chars generated user/pass and html loginbox including ocr. and of course good hidden .ht files. there cant be nothing better

raymor · 01-27-2007, 11:29 AM

Just looking at it from a technical perspective, Pennywize, being first generation, just counts
IPs. That worked fine up until 1998, when the crackers figured out how to use Pennywize
to make it easier to crack a site.

Proxypass, the second generation, added a simple proxy detection system and a Turing Image.
That makes it significantly more effective the first generation systems like Pennywize.

In the third generation, Strongbox of course counts IPs, has two distinct proxy detection systems,
and the Turing Image, but also adds system fingerprinting, dual temporal analysis, etc.

Assuming that each system was just as well written, supported, etc., Strongbox would be
"best" from a technical perpective in that it does what Pennywize and Proxypass do, plus more.

One other big difference is that Media Player won't stream any video protected by any
system that involves the pop up gray box asking for a user name and password.
Strongbox and a couple of others use a log in screen rather than the pop up box,
so they allow Media Player to stream video.

Also you may want to compare some of the extra features. Strongbox has things like
the handoff function, the ability to use multiple password files or MySQL databases
to store passwords, ripper trapping, etc.

These GFY threads may be of interest to you:
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...hreadid=344238
http://gofuckyourself.com/showthread...=1#post6579967
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...id=277500.html
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...id=266838.html
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...id=264282.html
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...hreadid=350731
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...hreadid=352410
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...=1#post6260911

My thanks to those who have taken the time to post about Strongbox.
If you decide to give Strongbox a try, note the after 8 years at the same price,
our first price increase will be later today. We'll be going from $100 flat to $150,
so you may want to get your order in quickly.

Jamie · 01-27-2007, 11:50 AM

My only concern about Proxpass is according to their website they haven't updated since 18 March 2005.

loco12 · 01-27-2007, 11:56 AM

Hi Ray, you should have my order by now.

Finike · 01-27-2007, 11:59 AM

I am using Strongbox and it works perfect for me. You get the best program for a reasonable price.
Raymor is a very helpful guy too!

raymor · 01-27-2007, 12:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by loco12

Hi Ray, you should have my order by now.

I've had two orders come in within the last hour or two, but I don't think either of them
is you. I may get it shortly, but just to be sure would you mind shooting me an email
at [email protected] or give me a call at 1-979-530-1300. If you prefer, I can call or
email you if you post your contact info. I want to be sure we get you taken care of.

Ycaza · 01-27-2007, 12:43 PM

another host for proxypass

uptheyingyang · 01-27-2007, 12:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brad Mitchell

As a host with lots of experience, neither. Choose ProxyPass - it will cost more, but it works all the time.

Brad

ditto that.

John69 · 01-27-2007, 12:56 PM

strongbox

loco12 · 01-27-2007, 12:58 PM

Ray I Just dropped you an email.

Axeman · 01-27-2007, 01:58 PM

I've used both and know people who have used both and sparta and say strongbox is the best they've used.

I have not used proxypass so can't comment on that one.

Have no reservations using Strongbox.

ExtremeBank_Adam · 01-27-2007, 02:10 PM

Might want to check out http://www.phantomfrog.com as well.

raymor · 01-27-2007, 04:24 PM

loco12, I did get your order. Your name is similar that that of another webmaster
who uses Strongbox and I thought the order this morning was from him.
(I didn't know your name at the time, of course).
We'll get that done for you ASAP.

CheeseFrog · 01-27-2007, 04:59 PM

I run Strongbox on most of my sites. Ray is a great guy, but he can't climb a rope ladder very well.

venus · 01-27-2007, 05:22 PM

Give Password Sentry a look, I have been using it for years and love it.
http://www.monster-submit.com/fmain....it.com/sentry/

its not subscription based. I stay away from subscription based software.

raymor · 01-27-2007, 05:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CheeseFrog

I run Strongbox on most of my sites. Ray is a great guy, but he can't climb a rope ladder very well.

LOL. You guys should see Cheesefrog's unique device for getting free food at RenFest.

venus · 01-27-2007, 05:28 PM

media player files stream video just fine on my site and I use the popup password box.

Quote:

Originally Posted by raymor

One other big difference is that Media Player won't stream any video protected by any system that involves the pop up gray box asking for a user name and password. Strongbox and a couple of others use a log in screen rather than the pop up box, so they allow Media Player to stream video.

.

raymor · 01-27-2007, 06:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by venus

media player files stream video just fine on my site and I use the popup password box.

Hmm, according to Microsoft, and my own testing, that shouldn't be.
You may want to double check to make absolutely SURE that your videos
are in fact passworfd protected and not just the HTML pages.
There is a hack you can do in the Windows registry that can allow that
work. If you used one of those "Windows Tuner" type programs it
may have set that key. On a fresh, unmodified Windows installation
that shouldn't be possible.

venus · 01-27-2007, 06:57 PM

they are password protected, I am talking about media player files on a unix machine, sounds like your referring to a NT machine running the media player through media services?

Quote:

Originally Posted by raymor

Hmm, according to Microsoft, and my own testing, that shouldn't be.
You may want to double check to make absolutely SURE that your videos
are in fact passworfd protected and not just the HTML pages.
There is a hack you can do in the Windows registry that can allow that
work. If you used one of those "Windows Tuner" type programs it
may have set that key. On a fresh, unmodified Windows installation
that shouldn't be possible.

interracialtoons · 01-27-2007, 07:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by raymor

Hmm, according to Microsoft, and my own testing, that shouldn't be.
You may want to double check to make absolutely SURE that your videos
are in fact passworfd protected and not just the HTML pages.
There is a hack you can do in the Windows registry that can allow that
work. If you used one of those "Windows Tuner" type programs it
may have set that key. On a fresh, unmodified Windows installation
that shouldn't be possible.

It streams with a popup box from a linux server for sure.
I have the latest release of media player and it gives you the box on the first time you request the video and then it streams it, if you don't close the player and the next video is from the same folder then you don't get the box again.

01-27-2007, 06:46 AM	#1
loco12 Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Dorset, UK Posts: 638	Strongbox or pennywize? Been using Pennywize for a few years. Happy with it but time to have a look at Strongbox. Who on here would say it was a better piece of software?

01-27-2007, 06:49 AM	#2
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01-27-2007, 07:36 AM	#7
interracialtoons Confirmed User Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1,910	Seems like proxypass should be a one time download and not a subscription software. The cost seems way too high for what needs to stop password traders/hackers. In this stage of the internet, it's hard to understnd why server companies haven't teamed up with a software product and this sort of thing comes standard with a server. It would sure make those servers a lot more attractive to paysite owners. __________________ Done.

01-27-2007, 07:42 AM	#8
rewn Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Australia Posts: 385	strongbox is awesome, and the best support ever __________________ ICQ: 121-043

01-27-2007, 08:17 AM	#11
kowalsky Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 2,494	I have been using StrongBox for a long time and I never got problem with that, it works fine and Ray have always took care of any thing that I need, just great. I never tried another product, so I can´t compare... __________________ Jimmy Kowalsky www.catchycash.com [email protected] ICQ - 7319094

01-27-2007, 06:59 AM	#3
Jizar II Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: LLL© Posts: 1,425	I would say PW is a toy for small sites. You need to get ProxyPass

01-27-2007, 07:16 AM	#4
loco12 Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Dorset, UK Posts: 638	Does Proxypass allow the webmaster to block a member who is excessively downloading content, block downloader programs etc for a period of time?

01-27-2007, 07:23 AM	#6
loco12 Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Dorset, UK Posts: 638	OK thanks I will drop them an email. They do all the installation?

01-27-2007, 07:55 AM	#9
loco12 Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Dorset, UK Posts: 638	Proxypass is very expensive now I have looked into it. $48 a month! Strongbox is a one off $100. Is there really that much difference to warrant $100 forever compared to $576 a year?

01-27-2007, 09:05 AM	#12
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01-27-2007, 09:21 AM	#13
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01-27-2007, 09:50 AM	#14
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01-27-2007, 09:56 AM	#17
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01-27-2007, 10:00 AM	#18
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01-27-2007, 11:29 AM	#19
raymor Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,745	Just looking at it from a technical perspective, Pennywize, being first generation, just counts IPs. That worked fine up until 1998, when the crackers figured out how to use Pennywize to make it easier to crack a site. Proxypass, the second generation, added a simple proxy detection system and a Turing Image. That makes it significantly more effective the first generation systems like Pennywize. In the third generation, Strongbox of course counts IPs, has two distinct proxy detection systems, and the Turing Image, but also adds system fingerprinting, dual temporal analysis, etc. Assuming that each system was just as well written, supported, etc., Strongbox would be "best" from a technical perpective in that it does what Pennywize and Proxypass do, plus more. One other big difference is that Media Player won't stream any video protected by any system that involves the pop up gray box asking for a user name and password. Strongbox and a couple of others use a log in screen rather than the pop up box, so they allow Media Player to stream video. Also you may want to compare some of the extra features. Strongbox has things like the handoff function, the ability to use multiple password files or MySQL databases to store passwords, ripper trapping, etc. These GFY threads may be of interest to you: http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...hreadid=344238 http://gofuckyourself.com/showthread...=1#post6579967 http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...id=277500.html http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...id=266838.html http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...id=264282.html http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...hreadid=350731 http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...hreadid=352410 http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...=1#post6260911 My thanks to those who have taken the time to post about Strongbox. If you decide to give Strongbox a try, note the after 8 years at the same price, our first price increase will be later today. We'll be going from $100 flat to $150, so you may want to get your order in quickly. __________________ For historical display only. This information is not current: support@bettercgi.com ICQ 7208627 Strongbox - The next generation in site security Throttlebox - The next generation in bandwidth control Clonebox - Backup and disaster recovery on steroids Last edited by raymor; 01-27-2007 at 11:30 AM.. Reason: typo

01-27-2007, 11:50 AM	#20
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01-27-2007, 11:56 AM	#21
loco12 Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Dorset, UK Posts: 638	Hi Ray, you should have my order by now.

01-27-2007, 11:59 AM	#22
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01-27-2007, 12:43 PM	#24
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01-27-2007, 12:56 PM	#26
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01-27-2007, 12:58 PM	#27
loco12 Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Dorset, UK Posts: 638	Ray I Just dropped you an email.

01-27-2007, 01:58 PM	#28
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01-27-2007, 04:24 PM	#30
raymor Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,745	loco12, I did get your order. Your name is similar that that of another webmaster who uses Strongbox and I thought the order this morning was from him. (I didn't know your name at the time, of course). We'll get that done for you ASAP. __________________ For historical display only. This information is not current: support@bettercgi.com ICQ 7208627 Strongbox - The next generation in site security Throttlebox - The next generation in bandwidth control Clonebox - Backup and disaster recovery on steroids

01-27-2007, 04:59 PM	#31
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01-27-2007, 05:22 PM	#32
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