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  • loco12
    Confirmed User
    • Aug 2003
    • 638

    #1

    Strongbox or pennywize?

    Been using Pennywize for a few years. Happy with it but time to have a look at Strongbox.

    Who on here would say it was a better piece of software?
  • Brad Mitchell
    Confirmed User
    • Nov 2001
    • 9813

    #2
    As a host with lots of experience, neither. Choose ProxyPass - it will cost more, but it works all the time.

    Brad
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    • Jizar II
      Confirmed User
      • May 2001
      • 1425

      #3
      I would say PW is a toy for small sites. You need to get ProxyPass

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      • loco12
        Confirmed User
        • Aug 2003
        • 638

        #4
        Does Proxypass allow the webmaster to block a member who is excessively downloading content, block downloader programs etc for a period of time?

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        • Jizar II
          Confirmed User
          • May 2001
          • 1425

          #5
          Originally posted by loco12
          Does Proxypass allow the webmaster to block a member who is excessively downloading content, block downloader programs etc for a period of time?
          yes you take care of these things in the configuration file where you can define all sorts of rules. PP is more like a server admin tool so you might need some help but the PP support guys are really great. PP doesn't have any fancy GUI but when you're used to it you'll like it.

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          • loco12
            Confirmed User
            • Aug 2003
            • 638

            #6
            OK thanks I will drop them an email. They do all the installation?

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            • interracialtoons
              Confirmed User
              • May 2006
              • 1910

              #7
              Seems like proxypass should be a one time download and not a subscription software.

              The cost seems way too high for what needs to stop password traders/hackers.

              In this stage of the internet, it's hard to understnd why server companies haven't teamed up with a software product and this sort of thing comes standard with a server. It would sure make those servers a lot more attractive to paysite owners.
              Done.

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              • rewn
                Confirmed User
                • Aug 2004
                • 385

                #8
                strongbox is awesome, and the best support ever

                ICQ: 121-043

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                • loco12
                  Confirmed User
                  • Aug 2003
                  • 638

                  #9
                  Proxypass is very expensive now I have looked into it. $48 a month!
                  Strongbox is a one off $100.

                  Is there really that much difference to warrant $100 forever compared to $576 a year?

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                  • interracialtoons
                    Confirmed User
                    • May 2006
                    • 1910

                    #10
                    Originally posted by loco12
                    Proxypass is very expensive now I have looked into it. $48 a month!
                    Strongbox is a one off $100.

                    Is there really that much difference to warrant $100 forever compared to $576 a year?
                    That's what Im saying. It's just a simple piece of software. It's not like you are getting an operating system; plus you could write this shit yourself if you're good at programing.
                    Done.

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                    • kowalsky
                      Confirmed User
                      • Oct 2003
                      • 2494

                      #11
                      I have been using StrongBox for a long time and I never got problem with that, it works fine and Ray have always took care of any thing that I need, just great.

                      I never tried another product, so I can´t compare...
                      Jimmy Kowalsky
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                      • mike741
                        Confirmed User
                        • Aug 2003
                        • 228

                        #12
                        strongbox

                        i have strongbox - works great for me on over 15 sites - and good support !

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                        • HollywoodChris
                          Confirmed User
                          • Mar 2003
                          • 1282

                          #13
                          I've used them all, Strongbox all the way.

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                          • schiz
                            Confirmed User
                            • Nov 2002
                            • 1103

                            #14
                            Gotta Go Strongbox

                            Ray and Strongbox are great. Three years and running...

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                            • Big_Red
                              Confirmed User
                              • Jun 2006
                              • 4147

                              #15
                              Strongbox. Ray is always on the ball.
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                              • fris
                                Too lazy to set a custom title
                                • Aug 2002
                                • 55689

                                #16
                                Originally posted by loco12
                                Been using Pennywize for a few years. Happy with it but time to have a look at Strongbox.

                                Who on here would say it was a better piece of software?
                                stay away from pennywize, people that scan with proxies can get your passwords easier, since its all htaccess based, and pennywize limits each ip to x amount of ip connections a day. they just keep going with diff proxies until they crack the pw's

                                strongbox is an excellent product, and many people as soon as they implemented it, have noticed a huge difference, since its harder to crack image verification, and the owner is a really nice guy.
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                                • spunky99
                                  Confirmed User
                                  • Jan 2004
                                  • 3462

                                  #17
                                  proxypass protects ALL 20 of my sites for the 1 monthly fee, if i had to buy strong box it woulda cost me 2000$ not including all the zipsets, proxypass will protect all yer sites on the same server.

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                                  • TeenCat
                                    Too lazy to set a koala
                                    • Jan 2007
                                    • 16139

                                    #18
                                    proxypass, min 8chars generated user/pass and html loginbox including ocr. and of course good hidden .ht files. there cant be nothing better

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                                    • raymor
                                      Confirmed User
                                      • Oct 2002
                                      • 3745

                                      #19
                                      Just looking at it from a technical perspective, Pennywize, being first generation, just counts
                                      IPs. That worked fine up until 1998, when the crackers figured out how to use Pennywize
                                      to make it easier to crack a site.

                                      Proxypass, the second generation, added a simple proxy detection system and a Turing Image.
                                      That makes it significantly more effective the first generation systems like Pennywize.

                                      In the third generation, Strongbox of course counts IPs, has two distinct proxy detection systems,
                                      and the Turing Image, but also adds system fingerprinting, dual temporal analysis, etc.

                                      Assuming that each system was just as well written, supported, etc., Strongbox would be
                                      "best" from a technical perpective in that it does what Pennywize and Proxypass do, plus more.

                                      One other big difference is that Media Player won't stream any video protected by any
                                      system that involves the pop up gray box asking for a user name and password.
                                      Strongbox and a couple of others use a log in screen rather than the pop up box,
                                      so they allow Media Player to stream video.

                                      Also you may want to compare some of the extra features. Strongbox has things like
                                      the handoff function, the ability to use multiple password files or MySQL databases
                                      to store passwords, ripper trapping, etc.

                                      These GFY threads may be of interest to you:
                                      http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...hreadid=344238
                                      http://gofuckyourself.com/showthread...=1#post6579967
                                      http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...id=277500.html
                                      http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...id=266838.html
                                      http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...id=264282.html
                                      http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...hreadid=350731
                                      http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...hreadid=352410
                                      http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...=1#post6260911

                                      My thanks to those who have taken the time to post about Strongbox.
                                      If you decide to give Strongbox a try, note the after 8 years at the same price,
                                      our first price increase will be later today. We'll be going from $100 flat to $150,
                                      so you may want to get your order in quickly.
                                      Last edited by raymor; 01-27-2007, 09:30 AM. Reason: typo
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                                      • Jamie
                                        Confirmed User
                                        • Apr 2001
                                        • 2517

                                        #20
                                        My only concern about Proxpass is according to their website they haven't updated since 18 March 2005.
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                                        • loco12
                                          Confirmed User
                                          • Aug 2003
                                          • 638

                                          #21
                                          Hi Ray, you should have my order by now.

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                                          • Finike
                                            Confirmed User
                                            • Mar 2005
                                            • 1581

                                            #22
                                            I am using Strongbox and it works perfect for me. You get the best program for a reasonable price.
                                            Raymor is a very helpful guy too!
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                                            • raymor
                                              Confirmed User
                                              • Oct 2002
                                              • 3745

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by loco12
                                              Hi Ray, you should have my order by now.
                                              I've had two orders come in within the last hour or two, but I don't think either of them
                                              is you. I may get it shortly, but just to be sure would you mind shooting me an email
                                              at [email protected] or give me a call at 1-979-530-1300. If you prefer, I can call or
                                              email you if you post your contact info. I want to be sure we get you taken care of.
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                                              Strongbox - The next generation in site security
                                              Throttlebox - The next generation in bandwidth control
                                              Clonebox - Backup and disaster recovery on steroids

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                                              • Ycaza
                                                Confirmed User
                                                • Feb 2005
                                                • 4290

                                                #24
                                                another host for proxypass
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                                                http://thrushtech.com
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                                                • uptheyingyang
                                                  Confirmed User
                                                  • May 2003
                                                  • 376

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by Brad Mitchell
                                                  As a host with lots of experience, neither. Choose ProxyPass - it will cost more, but it works all the time.

                                                  Brad

                                                  ditto that.
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                                                  • John69
                                                    Confirmed User
                                                    • Sep 2005
                                                    • 942

                                                    #26
                                                    strongbox
                                                    DARKSOUL: thanks but no thanks, your over priced.

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                                                    • loco12
                                                      Confirmed User
                                                      • Aug 2003
                                                      • 638

                                                      #27
                                                      Ray I Just dropped you an email.

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                                                      • Axeman
                                                        Confirmed User
                                                        • Feb 2004
                                                        • 5201

                                                        #28
                                                        I've used both and know people who have used both and sparta and say strongbox is the best they've used.

                                                        I have not used proxypass so can't comment on that one.

                                                        Have no reservations using Strongbox.
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                                                        • ExtremeBank_Adam
                                                          Confirmed User
                                                          • Dec 2005
                                                          • 1671

                                                          #29
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                                                          • raymor
                                                            Confirmed User
                                                            • Oct 2002
                                                            • 3745

                                                            #30
                                                            loco12, I did get your order. Your name is similar that that of another webmaster
                                                            who uses Strongbox and I thought the order this morning was from him.
                                                            (I didn't know your name at the time, of course).
                                                            We'll get that done for you ASAP.
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                                                            Throttlebox - The next generation in bandwidth control
                                                            Clonebox - Backup and disaster recovery on steroids

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                                                            • CheeseFrog
                                                              Confirmed User
                                                              • Dec 2003
                                                              • 1724

                                                              #31
                                                              I run Strongbox on most of my sites. Ray is a great guy, but he can't climb a rope ladder very well.
                                                              Cary | AIM: cheesefrog | ICQ: 4287002

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                                                              • venus
                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                • Jan 2003
                                                                • 3112

                                                                #32
                                                                Give Password Sentry a look, I have been using it for years and love it.
                                                                http://www.monster-submit.com/fmain....it.com/sentry/

                                                                its not subscription based. I stay away from subscription based software.
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                                                                • raymor
                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                  • Oct 2002
                                                                  • 3745

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by CheeseFrog
                                                                  I run Strongbox on most of my sites. Ray is a great guy, but he can't climb a rope ladder very well.
                                                                  LOL. You guys should see Cheesefrog's unique device for getting free food at RenFest.
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                                                                  Clonebox - Backup and disaster recovery on steroids

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                                                                  • venus
                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                    • Jan 2003
                                                                    • 3112

                                                                    #34
                                                                    media player files stream video just fine on my site and I use the popup password box.


                                                                    Originally posted by raymor
                                                                    One other big difference is that Media Player won't stream any video protected by any system that involves the pop up gray box asking for a user name and password. Strongbox and a couple of others use a log in screen rather than the pop up box, so they allow Media Player to stream video.

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                                                                    • raymor
                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                      • Oct 2002
                                                                      • 3745

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by venus
                                                                      media player files stream video just fine on my site and I use the popup password box.
                                                                      Hmm, according to Microsoft, and my own testing, that shouldn't be.
                                                                      You may want to double check to make absolutely SURE that your videos
                                                                      are in fact passworfd protected and not just the HTML pages.
                                                                      There is a hack you can do in the Windows registry that can allow that
                                                                      work. If you used one of those "Windows Tuner" type programs it
                                                                      may have set that key. On a fresh, unmodified Windows installation
                                                                      that shouldn't be possible.
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                                                                      Strongbox - The next generation in site security
                                                                      Throttlebox - The next generation in bandwidth control
                                                                      Clonebox - Backup and disaster recovery on steroids

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                                                                      • venus
                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                        • Jan 2003
                                                                        • 3112

                                                                        #36
                                                                        they are password protected, I am talking about media player files on a unix machine, sounds like your referring to a NT machine running the media player through media services?


                                                                        Originally posted by raymor
                                                                        Hmm, according to Microsoft, and my own testing, that shouldn't be.
                                                                        You may want to double check to make absolutely SURE that your videos
                                                                        are in fact passworfd protected and not just the HTML pages.
                                                                        There is a hack you can do in the Windows registry that can allow that
                                                                        work. If you used one of those "Windows Tuner" type programs it
                                                                        may have set that key. On a fresh, unmodified Windows installation
                                                                        that shouldn't be possible.
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                                                                        Since 1997 www.venuscash.com

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                                                                        • interracialtoons
                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                          • May 2006
                                                                          • 1910

                                                                          #37
                                                                          Originally posted by raymor
                                                                          Hmm, according to Microsoft, and my own testing, that shouldn't be.
                                                                          You may want to double check to make absolutely SURE that your videos
                                                                          are in fact passworfd protected and not just the HTML pages.
                                                                          There is a hack you can do in the Windows registry that can allow that
                                                                          work. If you used one of those "Windows Tuner" type programs it
                                                                          may have set that key. On a fresh, unmodified Windows installation
                                                                          that shouldn't be possible.
                                                                          It streams with a popup box from a linux server for sure.
                                                                          I have the latest release of media player and it gives you the box on the first time you request the video and then it streams it, if you don't close the player and the next video is from the same folder then you don't get the box again.
                                                                          Done.

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