Pornopat

I just noticed they are top banner sponsor here on gfy....

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i typically dont like to agree with you because your head swells, lol, but i guess i dont understand how limewire and the others stay open when they provide the same thing, and allow users to share but badoink is being called out. My as well... i honestly do not have a clue how all these content rights work... not my field

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Roald

Like??......

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Jace

the point isn't that there are p2p networks out there and how do we stop them, the point is that a top banner spot buyer on gfy is basically promoting the use of those p2p networks inside their members area, in turn providing their members with free access to any and all exclusive content they want and that badoink didn't pay for

I will admit that I use p2p networks for various things, but for someone to come along and charge access for their members to download my/our p2p shared content is just absurd...all in all, they are charging to download pirated dvd's

think guba, but for p2p

davidd

This is along the same lines as the paysites that added 'newsgroup' browsers back in the late 90's.

Same concept (stolen content) different decade.

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Dagwolf

Going down are they?

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who

So, you're charging people to have access to stolen content which is stolen from p2p networks? How is that ethical?

spacedog

Ok.. so you people upload your content to p2p networks as means of advertising or traffic generation, then you have the balls to claim it is stolen or unlicensed when you're the one that put it there in the first place????


Some of you people are even paying a business to do that for you???


And even if this don't apply to you, fact remains that the content is on a p2p service & badoink is not responsible for the content contained on another p2p, but people are mad that badoink allows their members a connection to those p2p.. is that what all this is about?

Tanker

I think the big difference is the stuff that they pay people to put up is usually wrapped up with DRM or some other tech that will pop their ads while the surfer watches that movie or clip

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rowan

Yes, and the other important thing is that the teasers are sanctioned by the content producer or paysite. They're not going to upload their entire member area, but for popular sites it probably wouldn't be too hard to find this amount of content on on a P2P network.

stickyfingerz

Lol Bobby..

stickyfingerz

Shouldnt there be more upset at the p2p network that allows stolen content then? So go after gnutella and limewire and other networks for allowing it. People are selling content on ebay that is stolen off paysites. Its the people uploading illegal content in the wrong here, not the tool that allows them access. It comes down to paysites protecting their content. Try to goto adultrental.com and steal content from there. You wont be able to do it (at least not very easily). There ARE ways to protect your assets. If I sit a 3000.00 laptop out on the edge of my yard by the street is it not my fault for allowing it to be taken? How many paysites use DRM or other ways to protect their content? Someone will come up with the excuse it makes it too hard for the surfer, or its an inconvenience. Guess what if its easier for a surfer to goto a p2p network and download your content they will go there. Instead of blaming the end result what are you doing to keep your content "your" content? If you know it only takes 24.95 for a surfer to go in and rip your entire site within a month you have a big problem.

My take on badoink is they are using technology to save on their bandwidth costs. Now the next thing paysites need to work on is protecting their files so only users with a license can view them, then distributed torrent files over a cluster of servers, plus your clients. Set it up so they get a reduced rate if they elect to share their files with your other users. This is how HD will best be distributed. There are mainstream sites doing it now. I have a mainstream site I download from using about 10 servers feeding their torrents plus clients share also. I get an average download speed of 2000 down. I downloaded a 923MB file in less than 7 minutes with the way they pushing it. The closest I get to that speed is from natnet since they are in Atlanta. I think I average 1200 down and hit speeds of 1600. Adult is supposed to innovate. Are we still innovating? Or are we sitting and crying about why surfers are stealing our content? There is some thinking to do.


Btw FLAME ON! lol

CDSmith

Exactly right.

I won't touch programs like this, like guba or badoink etc, nor do I have anything to do with companies that enable them, period.

Plenty of companies out there that operate in a more reputable way than that, so I'm not sure why anyone would feel the need to do buziness with these p2p content thieves.

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Tom_PM

So who stands to lose something if a program provides as a feature of membership, a p2p tool?

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stickyfingerz

Only sites that dont secure their content. I Dont quite understand why people just hand out everything they invested for and do it for 30.00 a month if that.

CaptainHowdy

Good Lord... sticking to the "Good Business... Not Greedy Business" !!

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REßEL

So what you're saying is the police should only arrest one thief if they can arrest them all? It's not fair to do a one at a time approach?

Or they can only arrest the fence for handling stolen property if they have already prosecuted the actual thieves?

No you can't blame the gun (tool) for being part of an armed robbery, but you can blame the arms dealer that sold the gun to the thieves knowing they were going to use it for armed robbery.

Badoink KNOW what they're doing. They aren't an innocent bystander, they are inciting and encouraging surfers to steal.

A war has to be fought one battle at a time.

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Lord Aga

Looks like what they are doing is ILLEGAL - If you are profiting from linking to infringed materials then you are guilty of ‘contributory infringement’

http://www.webtvwire.com/linking-to-...gal-in-the-us/

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Another important subject being buried bump.

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stickyfingerz

So if they have a link to google on their site does that make them crooks also?

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...&btnG=Sea rch

Again if sites give away their content this is 90% of the problem. If you were making it difficult to steal it would be alot harder for the surfer to get without paying for a membership.

innovate. That is the word of the day folks. Find a delivery system that makes your content "your" content.

Yes people will always find a way to steal, but if you hand it to them with a bow on top whos fault is is really? They can also use p2p to download porn advertising trailers, movie trailers, trial software, freeware, etc etc. I would of done the setup slightly different if I was badoink, but thats me. Let me ask you this, do you think anyone can download the content badoink has on the network without signing up to badoink, or is their content protected? I betcha its protected.

myjah

The Badoink crew are GOOD people and I'm sure they will do what is necessary to correct the situation.

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Narfle

The facts in this thread seems to say otherwise.

But its the simple old problem.

The guns wouldnt be that big a problem if it werent for the gunmen.
The gunmen wouldnt be that big a problem if it werent for the guns.

Still though, its only the arms dealers that can really cut down on it. In my eyes, badoink is acting like an arms dealer in this analogy.

Okay we have p2p file sharing. Okay there are huge amounts of content out there. Lets still assume there are people out there NOT using these services.

These people buy memberships and downloads and all that shit, keeping us in business.

Badoink is advertising through the same channels as us.

Badoink is exposing the customers to p2p file sharing, potentially taking those customers out of "circulation" and lessening the total amount of revenue out there for the adult industry.

Is it really that enrichening to burn down the ship you are sailing in? Even if you have a good time while seeing the flames.

stickyfingerz

Your analogy might work if people used guns for gardening and as a calculator , and for deep sea fishing. p2p is used for a lot friggin more than just stealing. They are using the good side of it to distribute bandwidth costs among the users. Personally again I would use a torrent file distribution system, but still a user would be introduced into the world of torrent file use and might go looking for free downloads. lol Just as I showed from above with my google line. You can find plenty of ways to steal content for free. p2p is a tool. We also use it to advertise and get sales for adult sites. Again INNOVATE! Protect your shit.

Tom_PM

Would an MGP owner allow galleries promoting Limewire on his/her network?

What if I offered a script that put's video encoders out of business, would it be ok to advertise it here?

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stickyfingerz

Right if technology out innovates me then I will get left behind. Its happened before to me, and I moved on. I used to do dvd video photo albums for weddings and anniversaries funerals etc. Once dvd burners became the normal thing, and software was made to make it SIMPLE for the consumer to do on their own I quit doing it. Why? I got out innovated. You catching on? Stay ahead of the curve or get left behind. Money will determine what happens. So badoink has a model that allows them to probably cut their bandwidth costs in half. They have an edge. They are reducing their cost of business. Do you think their content can be taken by anyone on the p2p network? I bet you it cant. AND ITS ALREADY ON THE NETWORK! lol. PROTECT YOUR INVESTMENT! INNOVATE!

Tom_PM

So MGP owners should just shut down right now because they're being paid and brokered new submitters who are out to obsolete them. So why fight it.

Hollywood and the Music indistry protects their content too. Thats why today you can't find a single movie or song available via P2P or Torrent.

Your lack of vision is amazing rock on.

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stickyfingerz

So instead of finding ways of keeping your shit from getting stolen you should have a bitch fest and cry about it? Is that what you are saying? Im still missing what mgp sites have to do with anything. They are already giving away what they have. They give it away in order to get clicks to the sponsors they pick. Did people not get pissed at first when mgp's started and saying they were giving too much away to the surfer? Adult has always been ahead of mainstream, seems to not be the case anymore.

Goto some of the news channels that have streaming news feeds. Try and grab that content. goto www.myspace.com/fox and try and grab that content. We are being out innovated. Time to step up the game.

DTK

I guess google's in deep shit then

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Tom_PM

I know you dont see why MGP's have anything to do with it. Thats why I say you are not seeing long term why people might have an issue with P2P being made a "feature" of a members area.

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Varius

To throw my in:

- For those who think what they are doing is illegal, it's not. Not at this point in time anyhow. P2P have a ton of people against it, and a ton for it but until the huge court/money battles bear any result, as it stands they are 100% LEGAL.

- To continue the gun analogy above, if I sell someone a gun and they go kill someone with it, it is not my responsibility. BaDoink is merely another P2P software, enabling people to connect to P2P networks and share files, but that has a more 'porn' theme to it. They do charge for access, but do also distribute LICENSED content on their servers to help start the surfer off in finding what he wants.

- For the point about a tricky cross-sell to another trial, from what I see on the page it looks pretty standard and straight-forward to me:

Special Offer For New Members Only!
Sign me up for a 3 day trial Membership to www.adultmovienetwork.com for $1.00. After 3 days, Membership renews automatically at $29.95 every 1 month. Terms and Conditions

- I agree though they should offer up full month subscriptions as an option right away, but that's their choice and business model. If it were me, I'd have the 1-month be $29.95 for example and the trial, $1.00 but rebill at a higher rate like $34.95 or $39.95 - thus you entice people to sign up straight for the full month, which makes your affiliates more money quickly plus in my experience reduces chargebacks/cancels.

- I also agree with Sticky, protecting your stuff isn't that hard, so if you all put the effort into that you do into dissecting programs you might make yourself more money

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jaYMan

who can i hire to p2p for me??? =)


lol

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stickyfingerz

Right out innovated.....

stickyfingerz

If you want to do a p2p advertising campaign let me know. www.peer4profit.com We can hook you up with a trial in the next few weeks.

Tom_PM

It's not innovative to put a p2p client in a members area I don't think. Anyone can do it anytime, and could have for years. Every paysite operator must have been just stupid by your logic.

I think there's reasons for rules like no posting links to other boards for example. People know other boards exist. But I dont have to make it easier to go to them. Isn't that simple enough?

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stickyfingerz

Ive actually been studying how mainstream is delivering their content. If you look at that myspace vod for fox the video stream changes depending upon connection speed. There are ways to grab the stream, but none that are too easy. With broadband being the prevalent connection to the internet for a large amount of the population, and with HD becoming more and more of a sellign factor for sites, its time to do away with the old, and start pushing some barriers.

REßEL

Except that's not what badoing are doing. It's more akin to you selling someone a gun.. and then taking them to the street and saying "see how it works, shoot that guy there" and pointing them at someone to shoot.

I can't believe the amount of people in here defending them giving the surfer stolen content.

Will you be back next year complaining about falling ratios? Why should a surfer join a real paysite when they can just go steal what they want? Yes the sharing networks are out there. But there is no need for a so called "legitimate" paysite to say to it's surfer "buy my porn and I'll show you how to access everyone else's porn for free".

Just because stolen content and thievery is widespread give NONE of you the right to be defending anyone engaged at any level in the practice. You're not helping yourselves and your not helping the industry either.

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REßEL

The defenders say it's our own fault!

Like the woman walking along at night, or in sexy clothes, it's her own fault if she gets raped. She didn't do enough to protect herself, the rapist is not responsible.

We can put locks on our doors, and windows, (password protect the content) . We can secure, and alarm the premises (strongbox and other security). But if we don't lock our possessions in safes and bolt them to the floor as well then we have no right to complain if someone steals from us. It's not the thieves fault, it's ours for not securing our property enough.

Marvel at the mentality.

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stickyfingerz

If I leave 100.00 bills on the yard its the person that made the sidewalk running past my yards fault when someone takes them? pfft wake up.

So lets say a site with a 2.95 trial gets the full site ripped during that trial. The person paying the 2.95 has no access restrictions and what they are doing is legal. They then share their porn folder on a p2p network. Whos fault is it?

fuzebox

I really don't see the connection between why lack of "innovation" (aka DRM) makes it ok for Badoink to facilitate content theft.

They've got their logo on the software and are charging a monthly fee to allow their users to steal other peoples content.

You can hide behind the current legal loopholes surrounding p2p, but at the end of the day Badoink is telling their surfers that they can pay less and get everyones content for one low fee.

I can't wait for the lawsuits.

stickyfingerz

yes or the surfer can pay nothing and goto limewire.com and download whatever they want.

Varius

IMO, for the majority of people who want your content, they would rather join your site than sift through the slow downloads, viruses, misleading title files, etc etc...Most of the P2P users are guys who scour password sites, free sites, commit fraud/friendly chargebacks, etc...not the type of member you want any how.

Why not create lots of your own protected videos advertising your site URL and fill the P2P network with them instead, thus turning this kind of app into a way for you to make money from it instead of seeing it only as a loss

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fuzebox

If you can't beat them, break the same laws. Nice.

You wouldn't happen to be rolling out DRM services through triplexencoding any time soon would you? Because at this point your motivation seems pretty transparant.

Pimpin_J

I think BaDoink is in a so called "grey-zone", just like any other p2p client. Sure they say its legal, course they cant imagine that someone shares copyrighted material in their network. They propably know it and maybe even upload this kind of stuff to their network, but in the end they are still safe from law.
P2P will never die if you ask me. The law is just too buggy to stop it.
Its sad, but its a fact!

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Rand

This has been a very interesting thread.

We are speaking with the team at BaDoink now. Our original assessment of their business model concluded they offered an application to view full screen movies for legal content offered from their website. We are assured that the content offered for viewing in their members area is purchased content which they have the right to distribute.

The issue of this thread, P2P file sharing, is a one which the industry as a whole, and the board of directors at Epoch frown upon. Whether what they are doing is legal, ethical, entrepreneurial or otherwise is a question that won't be answered here.

Epoch's policy is that we do not process transactions for P2P services. We are working with the guys at BaDoink to allow them to keep their business operating without the P2P application.

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fuzebox

This is the reply I've been waiting on all day