Well, from this thread it sure appears that you did. Why would you try to buy off DWB if you felt that you had done nothing wrong? An even more baldface lie was your initial claim to not even know he was working with the same model (see your second post in this thread).

What agenda do I have? I am neither a Sponsor or an Affiliate. I am 100% independent. I have nothing to gain no matter how this issue goes.

I don't shoot illegally in 3rd world countries, I pay top dollar to legally shoot Asian girls in the U.S. It's a different niche, because my models don't look all 3rd world like yours.

If you can state honestly that Joon is only 18, and that you do not fake fan signs, then I owe you an apology, otherwise I stand by all of my comments in this thread.

http://www.joonmalifan.com/fan.jpeg

http://www.islanddollars.com/promo/Joon/Solo/8/

I am the least of your concerns right now. See if you can focus on the real issues...

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fuck you marty, this is wrong, plain and simple and you know it.

considering the locale we work in at times a little mutual respect is usually expected, and this goes far over the line. quite a nice glass house to fuck around in...

next time your in patong watch out for the tuk-tuk mafia.. :321GFY :disgust

I look for the best opportunity to make money and make all sides satisfied. That is what doing business is about. A buy out was an option, as were many others. I knew he and others had worked with her before BUT DID NOT HAVE A SITE IN DEVELOPMENT.

No, Joon is no longer 18 years old. If she was 18 now, and her site launched in June of 2006, with production, editing, deisgn and programming it would be impossible . But she will be eternally 18 on her site. We have years of content for Joon and all of our girls. As far as content, I am happy you prefer to shoot the overexposed San Fran and Cali girls. Girls that are in every production and on every asian site on the web. Good. I wish you well with it and am happy you enjoy it. I prefer our girls as you put it all '3rd World'.

And break back out the Sherlock Holmes cap on the fansigns. Have you ever seen a custom generated fansign script? They are part of our ad tools and probably a 100 other programs have them. They are fast, quick ways for affiliates to add a personal touch to their site. Of course those are fake, was that really a discovery for you? :upsidedow

The fansign shoot we did with Lily Koh the end of December was our first fansign shoot and announcement, and affiliate who asked for them LOVE THEM.

And you are????

My icq is always available: 176176

page 3 and no picture of the girl yet... fuck.

i don't have anything to discuss w/ you marty, just reminding you we live in the land of karma made flesh. fuck you..

she must be the new Helen of Troy....

So now, after you called me out, you admit I was correct, and that your entire program is a sham. Gee, that sure is swell. :1orglaugh

You seem to enjoy basking in your lies and stupidity...

If you actually bothered to check, instead of once again talking out your ass, you would have seen that in addition to shooting "exclusive photos and videos" of the top most popular Asian import scene models, amateur models, glam/pin-up models, and porn stars on the internet, I have also shot several first time models, and models exclusive only to my sites.

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

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In her market, she is.

A sham because we offer custom fansigns and Geo IP fansigns to our affiliates? I think it's a misunderstanding on your part, and you do not understand what a custom fansign script is or does. Other programs like Jaymancash, MayorMoney offers them to affiliates to personalize their sites. It is another useful tool like a photo of the day that helps sales and keeps an affiliates site looking fresh. A sales tool, similar to a geo ip sign showing a location to get a surfers attention.

You're right. I did not check your site, just past memory of some of the girls you've posted. Searching back through some of the pics you posted, it's really some nice stuff and I hadn't seen the girls before. Congrats!

take this a lesson of life. Is it fair or cool that friends do this? No but it's business. Nobody is going to give it to you, you have to TAKE it.

Since you seem to be at an impasse, it may be a good time to start posting some pix, unless this is a fake drama cooked up by both of you...I sure hope not, since I have risen to your defense.

Sorry, but I am an eternal skeptic...especially when you have responded to other posts, but have not said peep about mine.

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islanddollars should be willing to sell the content they shot at COST

Any problems with this?

This is not fake drama. I would not dare discredit anyone like this for clicks of views. But I do wish it did not happen.

After the personal issue is dealt with, and only after, will the business solution get resolved.

I gotta get some sleep. Night all.

I'm not quite as ignorant or naive as you may think. As an independent, it irks me at times about all of the fake crap pumped out by corporate sites, but in the end that's business for some people.

Please note that I am not in the habit of posting negative things in your threads, and that more often than not, I have made positive/supportive comments, if I have posted anything at all.

Fortunately for me, I have a hardcore dedicated base of fans that know what I do is for real, and is not based upon marketing gimics. My biggest fan base is in the Bay Area, because they get to meet me and some of my models at various events here several times a year, plus they can host photo shoots, etc.

Loyalty earned like that runs deep...

Thank you for that...

I didn't come into this thread spoiling for a fight. I honestly am in awe of what your designer(s) come up with. I do most of my site by myself, and for the most part I am a self-educated amateur, which I am not ashamed to admit.

If you have seen any of my serious posts, I am very defensive of people I like and respect, such as DWB (even though some of his content makes me squeemish), although I am also unafraid to disagree with them publicly.

I genuinely hope that you and DWB can work this out amicably.

As a gesture in that direction, I would recommend first a public apology, and then for both of you to take your negotiations off the board - read again my first post. This need not have evolved past that.

It's late for me - good night.

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so, where can we see a pic of the girl this is all about?

marty, u knew what DWB had planned and u snaked him.... its plain & simple especially for those of us who live in thailand. u can find all kinds of ways to make it sound like this is just a misunderstanding but we all know better... don't let other dirt come out by not putting this to bed

Fan signs are fake? :mad:

lol post of the month

hum quite interesting

haven't read it all...but my heart goes out.
You got fucked, professionally and personally.

But its starting to look like there may be a way out. Be careful about letting pride take over.
Would you rather be right? or would you rather be happy?

I really hope this is resolved in a way that you remain happy. Good luck.

Thats really fucked up.

Ah, thats your site. I want to work with you on some things. :thumbsup

I always trie to put things very clearly on paper before I start talking about anything at all, people who play fair will never have a problem with that coz
it only applies if things go wrong, people who don't want this you should be
weary off coz they obviously have other intentions than you.

Not sure if that's the best way to do it but it works for me lol (knock on wood)
If you make it too easy for somebody to take advantage of your enthusiasm
there's a big chance they will

I'm not taking either side of this but in reading everything, both of you agree this girl is a goldmine. Can you guys post pics of her and/or explain why she is so much different than the average girl?

Damn bro..sorry to hear how this shit went down, hope the 2 of you can work it out :)

I bet its a tranny

pix would help

Judge Judy always says that when one party remembers what happened, and the other doesnt remember one way or the other, the one who remembers is correct.

That's kinda the way I was leaning but either way, it sounds like a lot of hype around this girl and it's making me curious as to what is so great about her...

Wow this is crazzzzy

Well that was clear as mud. :error

So you feel bad about DWB being upset but you don't think you have done anything wrong on a business level?

You don't want him to feel or think he is getting fucked over...even if he is?
Use better lube next time.

What exactly are you admitting you are "in the wrong" about? How this thread went or what happened with the model? Please clarify.

Since you are vaguely admitting some wrong doing, it's only a small step to spell it out clearly what you think you did wrong and from there another small step to apologize and attempt to move on. The clock is ticking. :2 cents:

You could never convince me that you could "forget" a conversation and discussion about a model and site in development that you then turned about and hired and started developing yourself.. Not unless you got so drunk that night you destroyed a bunch of brain cells and/or you're a moron to begin with.

here is my bump

what the chick LOOKS like is really not at issue.... she could be butt ass ugly, its the principle of the thing. just cuz u CAN do something, doesn't mean you SHOULD do it.

I can't beleive Marty is still comming off with theses arrogants politican answers. You guys are doing a career suicide in this thread.

This is the online porn business. Lars was FORCED to use Zango. Some sponsors apparently are forced to support spammers and scammers. Some people see no point low enough in the road that they can't dig a little deeper.

My old friend Nick@Ilynx has some really good opinions about morals and business. Maybe he will drop by and grace this thread with a few. Safe to say the people with the most money cna afford to have the least morals, I guess.

AsianDivaWeb: Dude, I don't see you will a horse in this race. You seem to be taking advantage of the island dollar dude while he is on the ground to kick him and try to get yourself ahead. If you ever actually had an affiliate program, perhaps there would be a reason. Maybe you should just go back to spamming newsgroups or something.

I think that the lesson here is that when you find a hot new model that is important enough to you to make a whole solo site or a movie series around, you gotta shoot her as much as you need right away and get the product out asap. If she is that hot, why wait? Some other producers are always going to come along with their own agenda for your new discovery whether they are your friend, an acquaintance or a complete stranger.