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Judge Judy always says that when one party remembers what happened, and the other doesnt remember one way or the other, the one who remembers is correct.
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Wow this is crazzzzy
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So you feel bad about DWB being upset but you don't think you have done anything wrong on a business level? You don't want him to feel or think he is getting fucked over...even if he is? Use better lube next time. What exactly are you admitting you are "in the wrong" about? How this thread went or what happened with the model? Please clarify. Since you are vaguely admitting some wrong doing, it's only a small step to spell it out clearly what you think you did wrong and from there another small step to apologize and attempt to move on. The clock is ticking. :2 cents: |
You could never convince me that you could "forget" a conversation and discussion about a model and site in development that you then turned about and hired and started developing yourself.. Not unless you got so drunk that night you destroyed a bunch of brain cells and/or you're a moron to begin with.
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what the chick LOOKS like is really not at issue.... she could be butt ass ugly, its the principle of the thing. just cuz u CAN do something, doesn't mean you SHOULD do it.
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I can't beleive Marty is still comming off with theses arrogants politican answers. You guys are doing a career suicide in this thread.
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My old friend Nick@Ilynx has some really good opinions about morals and business. Maybe he will drop by and grace this thread with a few. Safe to say the people with the most money cna afford to have the least morals, I guess. AsianDivaWeb: Dude, I don't see you will a horse in this race. You seem to be taking advantage of the island dollar dude while he is on the ground to kick him and try to get yourself ahead. If you ever actually had an affiliate program, perhaps there would be a reason. Maybe you should just go back to spamming newsgroups or something. |
I think that the lesson here is that when you find a hot new model that is important enough to you to make a whole solo site or a movie series around, you gotta shoot her as much as you need right away and get the product out asap. If she is that hot, why wait? Some other producers are always going to come along with their own agenda for your new discovery whether they are your friend, an acquaintance or a complete stranger.
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It sucks to be fucked over like that. Not the worst crime, but still hard to swallow. Some people: biz > friends
BUUUUUUUUUUTTT: Somebody just post a picture of this bitch you are fighting over! |
so we should just accept this as the bizness of people who lack morals and common respect for one another? i think thats bullshit... there's no way i'd do someone like this.... not a friend, not a stranger... then have the balls to go their face and say "hey, i'm fuckin ya... do you need some help bending over?" - i just don't get that....
if there's no room in this biz for honesty and integrity, i need to find a new occupation |
Qon, that started back at the very start. This business has always been about how much you can put over on the other guy, how much can be shaved off the affiliates and the totally smirk of laughter at the end when a program can buy peice with a beer, dinner, or a bottle of something for christmas.
Goes all the way back to the very start... There are people here who will remember Xpics raising payouts and the shave rate side by side... the rate of pay would go up 20%, and the shave would go up 30%. In the end, they were paying insane amounts of money per unqiue (like 18 to 20 cents) but the shave was so high that it was almost like the affiliates owed them money at the end of the week. It hasn't gotten any better since. I am not condoning the acts, just telling it like it is. IMHO, it isn't the nicest thing done, but we aren't talking about a piece of meat here, but a model, and a model who apparently didn't feel any commitment towards the first one in the door. |
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I keep thinking about prized talent in other entertainment based businesses: pro sports, high fashion modeling, the pop music industry... feirce battles over hot new recruits happen in those arenas all the time.
DWB, Seeing that an exclusive contract was not enforceable in Thailand, was there any agreement/promise made between the model and yourself that she was exclusive with you from the get go. I know you can't entirely trust models to keep there word, but she bears the responsibility of breaking her loyalty to you if that was the case. Really hope you guys can compromise and work this out in the end. |
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Thats a shame. I'm glad the models my company is working with are on contract to work with us exclusively.
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sucks when stand up top notch guys who bought you a drink turn out not to be so - never happens around here ...
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Nude thai model content ransom is fucked!
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what i don't understand is:
How did islandcash know to talk to DWB about buying/selling/deal over this model? They claim it's an honest mistake that they weren't aware, or "forgot", yet no one has pointed out or given a reason to why they knew to talk to DWB about this.. R |
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Qon was there, and was part of that discussion that night. Looks like he remembers just fine. :Oh crap |
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Marty wants to make a financial solution to this and quickly sweep it under the rug. In order to do so, I need to feel in my heart that he will not do this again to me, before I can even think about trusting another word out of his mouth. I tried very hard in private to deal with this but failed and had to choice other than to come forward and go public. If I let him off the hook on this, he may fuck me again or some of our other friends over there. People in the past rolled over and let him do this to them, I am not one of those people. And yes, it does require negative energy to continue this, and negative energy is something I do not like to surround myself with, but I feel I need to stay the course on this one and do what is right for not only me, but for the people before me, and the ones after. Also, we all live in a small city there. We see each other all the time. This has to be set right for the living environment of all of the group of guys over there or it's going to cause a lot of waves. |
is it a wrap now? whats the resolution?
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I do feel sorry for you that you lost money, but from a cursory reading , it sounds like you had no contractual relationship to exclude the unpleasant result.
So, you were too trusting (and a little sloppy, if I can be frank). Next time, get a tighter contract, or get a contract, period. |
yeah . . that is why I keep things secret until it is too developed for someone to try and scoop me.
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Same shit happened to me (by someone else). Sometimes people imitate what they cant do themselves. I actually laugh at it now because i see how pathetic this person and his program is. I recall me telling him all my ideas after being forewarned mind you by 3-4 others. And, to top it off, I remember sitting in another webmasters basement and this guy trying to talk me out of opening a program. What can you do besides take it on the chin and laugh. Duke |
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Hey, it happens, I understand that... but not by someone on the inside. That's fucked up. |
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Hey if Marty (I know I dont know you at all) but if Marty does sincerely apologize and truly works out a fair deal with DWB I think he can earn some respect back from many of us.
I know this is really none of my fucking, business and I am only giving my honest opinioon here but: Marty, I promise you (not that you care, i have no asian traffic) But honestly I will be one of the first people that posts I respect you for owning up and improving a bad situation & making a positive out of a negative... Many people are forgiving.. No disrespect on this topic at all! All you have to say is sorry and not like, "The Fonz on Happy Days" sssssssssooorrrryyyyy'ssss...lol and then work things out with DWB fairly by compensating him then and only then, all parties can move on at least, in some sort of positive fashion.... Marty, If you don't it will be very difficult recouping your reputation with other webmasters, IMHO.... and make it extremely difficult in building, future relationships in this fiercly, competitive business.. Truly Yours, Thebossxxx |
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I know it won't really make you feel any better or resolve any of this conflict but look at this GIF below and *SMILE* You too Qon :winkwink: http://blowoutbucks.com/gfy/bouncingbooty.gif I hope this gets resolved soon for you brotha! Hit me up if and when you come to LA anytime soon. I owe you lunch, drinks or??? :thumbsup :thumbsup |
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Thanks for the kind words. I appreciate it. :thumbsup I hope all of that worked out for you. Believe me, I know it was a handful. |
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Yea man, last time my schedule was insane and you and I touched base right before I was leaving. It will be several months before I get back out, but I already made notes to let you know when I got back in town. |
Cant you sell off her sets? Sell them dirt cheap and like 5000 copies :) (If you can)
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Thanks for the idea! |
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I live in Thailand and we have model contracts in Thai and English to satisfy 2257 needs.... but, a model contract cant be produced here for obvious reasons. Dont know the players in this but those of us in Asia normally respect each others business. I dont blame the girl but the guy who came in under you is just plain wrong. |
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I have model releases, but as far as a "contract" for exclusive work... you and I both know that is not gonna fly over there. And you are dead on the money about how those of us working there try to respect each others business. Not the type of place to make an enemy, that's for sure. |
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anyone got the pics of the model in question?
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is this the same people that push that new Indian model site?
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DWB- Post a pic of this girl...Im sure everyone is dying to know what she looks like. Then we can all say shes gross...might not help, but it will be at least funny as hell...
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There are a lot of shit people around! :( Especially when you talk about business and money... :2 cents: I think it`s better to do not tell about your projets and plans to anyone untill it`s coming true. And as the Shemp told it`s better to consider as life experience...
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almost page 5 and still no pics...
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200 pissed off dirty white boys from kentucky.
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