What i learned at AEE That YOU should know - GoFuckYourself.com

mikesouth · 01-16-2007, 04:41 PM

I have been on both sides of this biz, video and internet. I now make my living on the internet side. I have found the internet people by and large to be more honest. The ones I have dealt with all pay their bills on time, none has ever bounced a check to me or screwed me (I'm not an affiliate for anyone save a very select few). In the video biz, it seemed every mother fucker I dealt with was out to fuck me.

In attending AEE I saw the plain truth.

After talking to many people at AVN and other video companies, I came to the realization they need us to survive.

More than half the booths at the AEE show were dot coms. They took up ALL the slack that AVN lost when many companies pulled out due to declining sales and expensive booth space.

I looked at AVNOnline and spoke at length with Farley ( a helluva nice guy) and it dawned on me why AVNOnline exists. It isn't for AVN to make inroads into the adult web. It is for video companies to infiltrate the adult web, using us to do so. See without us those Video Companies are going to die eventually, so to survive they must consume us. You want proof? Look no further than the speakers for Internext. What the fuck exactly does Steve Hirsch know about adult internet, can he even load and install a browser? I doubt it, but here he is telling YOU what you should be doing to make money.

Now let's look at the track record of the video business. Massive flooding of product oversaturating the market and driving prices and margins down to razor thin profits. A system where the people who put themselves on the line to produce the product make the least money and a distribution system that fucks over everyone.

Are these the people you want to take advice from? We have made a pretty good market for ourselves here, and now the jackals are circling, they want us to believe we need them but I think we all know the truth now, we don't. Matter of fact I don't think we want to be anywhere near them. Sure a few of you may make some money promoting Vivid or whomever but in the long run, we will all lose from that.

Remember this while you are attending those seminars and talks and listening to the hype at Internext, look at their true motives.

My advice...Just Say No!

South

Elli · 01-16-2007, 04:50 PM

Interesting. A woman at one of the seminars said as much yesterday, saying the video (hard good) distribution model is dying.

mikesouth · 01-16-2007, 05:07 PM

for video companies DVD sales are down 30% and more

They have to consume us to live, don't roll over, let the basstards die.

TheDoc · 01-16-2007, 05:08 PM

The only problem with production companies is they think the content they have will get saturated. So they don't diversify enough or they don't understand enough about the business they run to diversify.

Plenty of production companies are still cleaning house, growing, and will continue to grow. Just like affiliate programs, plenty will go out of business and some will come into the business, then only a few will clean house.

And......
AVNOnline and AVN doesn't publish sites, mags, and produce shows to help get us together, that's a load of corporate crap. If they did it would be avn org not .com - It's very clear to 99% of the companies that have ever setup a booth that AVN is here to make money, period.

MandyBlake · 01-16-2007, 05:10 PM

very interesting read mike

mikesouth · 01-16-2007, 05:21 PM

they may be afraid to "diversify" but just wait till they suddenly dump 20 years of product online for 2.99/month

you have been warned.

TheDoc · 01-16-2007, 05:59 PM

That's the problem, "diversify" doesn't just mean online for $2.99 a month.

We create a group of scenes, they go to the paysites, to content plugins, to dvd, to distributors, to magazines, to vod, and individual rights to others sold off. By the time production companies catch up, Web2.0 will have taken over and they will be another 10 years behind.

Internet and Mainstream companies alike that bitch that hard times have hit already might as well sell now and get out while they can.

Big_D · 01-16-2007, 06:00 PM

ive heard that about the video side as well, from quite a few sources.

reynold · 01-16-2007, 07:57 PM

Thanks, mike. I learned something there.

AmyAmy · 01-16-2007, 08:17 PM

Interesting...

01-16-2007, 04:41 PM	#1
mikesouth Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: My High Horse Posts: 6,334	What i learned at AEE That YOU should know I have been on both sides of this biz, video and internet. I now make my living on the internet side. I have found the internet people by and large to be more honest. The ones I have dealt with all pay their bills on time, none has ever bounced a check to me or screwed me (I'm not an affiliate for anyone save a very select few). In the video biz, it seemed every mother fucker I dealt with was out to fuck me. In attending AEE I saw the plain truth. After talking to many people at AVN and other video companies, I came to the realization they need us to survive. More than half the booths at the AEE show were dot coms. They took up ALL the slack that AVN lost when many companies pulled out due to declining sales and expensive booth space. I looked at AVNOnline and spoke at length with Farley ( a helluva nice guy) and it dawned on me why AVNOnline exists. It isn't for AVN to make inroads into the adult web. It is for video companies to infiltrate the adult web, using us to do so. See without us those Video Companies are going to die eventually, so to survive they must consume us. You want proof? Look no further than the speakers for Internext. What the fuck exactly does Steve Hirsch know about adult internet, can he even load and install a browser? I doubt it, but here he is telling YOU what you should be doing to make money. Now let's look at the track record of the video business. Massive flooding of product oversaturating the market and driving prices and margins down to razor thin profits. A system where the people who put themselves on the line to produce the product make the least money and a distribution system that fucks over everyone. Are these the people you want to take advice from? We have made a pretty good market for ourselves here, and now the jackals are circling, they want us to believe we need them but I think we all know the truth now, we don't. Matter of fact I don't think we want to be anywhere near them. Sure a few of you may make some money promoting Vivid or whomever but in the long run, we will all lose from that. Remember this while you are attending those seminars and talks and listening to the hype at Internext, look at their true motives. My advice...Just Say No! South __________________ Mike South It's No wonder I took up drugs and alcohol, it's the only way I could dumb myself down enough to cope with the morons in this biz.

01-16-2007, 04:50 PM	#2
Elli Reach for those stars! Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 17,991	Interesting. A woman at one of the seminars said as much yesterday, saying the video (hard good) distribution model is dying. __________________ email: [email protected]

01-16-2007, 05:07 PM	#3
mikesouth Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: My High Horse Posts: 6,334	for video companies DVD sales are down 30% and more They have to consume us to live, don't roll over, let the basstards die. __________________ Mike South It's No wonder I took up drugs and alcohol, it's the only way I could dumb myself down enough to cope with the morons in this biz.

01-16-2007, 05:08 PM	#4
TheDoc Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Currently Incognito Posts: 13,827	The only problem with production companies is they think the content they have will get saturated. So they don't diversify enough or they don't understand enough about the business they run to diversify. Plenty of production companies are still cleaning house, growing, and will continue to grow. Just like affiliate programs, plenty will go out of business and some will come into the business, then only a few will clean house. And...... AVNOnline and AVN doesn't publish sites, mags, and produce shows to help get us together, that's a load of corporate crap. If they did it would be avn org not .com - It's very clear to 99% of the companies that have ever setup a booth that AVN is here to make money, period. __________________ ~TheDoc - ICQ7765825 It's all disambiguation

01-16-2007, 05:10 PM	#5
MandyBlake The one and only! Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 17,761	very interesting read mike __________________ Mandy's Playhouse Her First Fat Girl If you're interested in promoting my sites, ICQ me! 178411921

01-16-2007, 05:21 PM	#6
mikesouth Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: My High Horse Posts: 6,334	they may be afraid to "diversify" but just wait till they suddenly dump 20 years of product online for 2.99/month you have been warned. __________________ Mike South It's No wonder I took up drugs and alcohol, it's the only way I could dumb myself down enough to cope with the morons in this biz.

01-16-2007, 05:59 PM	#7
TheDoc Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Currently Incognito Posts: 13,827	That's the problem, "diversify" doesn't just mean online for $2.99 a month. We create a group of scenes, they go to the paysites, to content plugins, to dvd, to distributors, to magazines, to vod, and individual rights to others sold off. By the time production companies catch up, Web2.0 will have taken over and they will be another 10 years behind. Internet and Mainstream companies alike that bitch that hard times have hit already might as well sell now and get out while they can. __________________ ~TheDoc - ICQ7765825 It's all disambiguation

01-16-2007, 06:00 PM	#8
Big_D CRAZY MOFUKKA Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 3,296	ive heard that about the video side as well, from quite a few sources.

01-16-2007, 07:57 PM	#9
reynold Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Global Traveler Posts: 51,271	Thanks, mike. I learned something there.

01-16-2007, 08:17 PM	#10
AmyAmy Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 175	Interesting... __________________ ICQ 368164844