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directfiesta · 01-12-2007, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by stickyfingerz

You didnt get it I see.

There was NOTHING to get ... Your answers are at the level of a 6 years old child

stickyfingerz · 01-12-2007, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by PR_Tom

I disagree, Anthony. I really do. I think we can even use an anaolgy in the business. Would you rather try to get 10 hits to 10,000 ads? Or try to get 10,000 hits to 10 ads? I think you get there faster with 10,000 ads.

Making big businesses and backwards countries do the right thing is part of it, but it still falls on every individual to do what they can. Incidently, China's government mandated gas mileage standards are far better than the US. The US automakers are suing California because California had the audacity to require all cars sold in their state to meet emissions standards that match Chinas over the next 10 years.. how dare they, lol.

I've also looked into Solar and Wind power. I currently rent, but I would absolutely love to have a house where I could have a nice solar panel (about $20,000, I've checked), and a wind generator (price varies, but utility companies are required to buy your excess energy, and there are local ordinances on tower height to consider). As well as on-demand hot water heaters and other efficient appliances I've checked into.

I dont preach to people in SUV's or anything crazy, but I still quietly do my thing and would encourage others to at least pick up a 3 pack of compact flourescent bulbs. They work great, and with only 15 watts you get the same lumens as an old fasioned 60 watt (plus they dont burn out for 5 yrs)

All my lights that will allow the swirly little fluorescents have them. Except of course my nice hanging lights in my dining room and kitchen which take special bulbs, does that mean I think the earth is becoming some sort of super hot tropical environment, or we all will perish due to the cars we drive? lol no. I use them because my electric bill is cheaper, and the lights are MUCH cooler than a standard bulb.

pink_in_the_middle · 01-12-2007, 10:36 AM

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at the end of the day, your "sacrifices" don't hold a candle to the massive pollution and destruction of our environment being done today by Countries, and Big Business.

I applaud you for it, but what you are doing is building a sand fort wall to stop a 100 ft tsunami about to crash onshore.

Nothing will change with this type of mentality

Phoenix · 01-12-2007, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by stickyfingerz

You didnt get it I see.

yeah..your soaring intellect must have escaped me

i know you are about 10 more days from hitting my ignore file though

stickyfingerz · 01-12-2007, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by directfiesta

There was NOTHING to get ... Your answers are at the level of a 6 years old child

Boy do I need to make a flow chart or something for you to understand? Pollution was 10 times worse in the early 1900's till around the late 1980's Why OH WHY OH WHY! Did we not have rising temperatures then? OH LORD WHY?? Wait I believe we were going to have a new ice age back then due to the pollution blocking out the sun.. YARGG BAHHH BAHHH BAHHH! I already know how easy it is to lead people down the prim rose path. Dont know why I should think it would be any different on this particular issue.

stickyfingerz · 01-12-2007, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Phoenix

yeah..your soaring intellect must have escaped me

i know you are about 10 more days from hitting my ignore file though

Lol because I dont buy into the global warming farce? Kind of silly thing to ignore me for.

Tom_PM · 01-12-2007, 10:41 AM

I dont think you can find a US Gov. admission that the increase of beetle damage is due to warming, but the Canadian gov does:

"Why is British Columbia in the midst of a mountain pine beetle epidemic?

Forests of mature lodgepole pine are prime habitat for the mountain pine beetle. The beetle also thrives under warm weather conditions. The interior of British Columbia has an abundance of mature lodgepole pine, and has experienced several consecutive mild winters and drought-like summers. Beetle populations in many parts of interior B.C. have increased to epidemic levels as a result."

http://www.for.gov.bc.ca/hfp/mountai...etle/faq.htm#2

Phoenix · 01-12-2007, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by stickyfingerz

Lol because I dont buy into the global warming farce? Kind of silly thing to ignore me for.

not just that....your claims of 152 IQ or something silly was what really got me..lol

tack that onto your Bush supporting...NEO con type attitude and i doubt i would have anything left to say to you.

you seem to back anything that is controversial..but you are always on a certain side. you cling to loose change 2 like it is the bible of anti governement people..while it was merely made to ask questions....questyions people refuse to answer...but you with your 152 IQ you seem to know all.

lol...give me a fuckin break

no one here is buying into your shit

stickyfingerz · 01-12-2007, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by PR_Tom

I dont think you can find a US Gov. admission that the increase of beetle damage is due to warming, but the Canadian gov does:

"Why is British Columbia in the midst of a mountain pine beetle epidemic?

Forests of mature lodgepole pine are prime habitat for the mountain pine beetle. The beetle also thrives under warm weather conditions. The interior of British Columbia has an abundance of mature lodgepole pine, and has experienced several consecutive mild winters and drought-like summers. Beetle populations in many parts of interior B.C. have increased to epidemic levels as a result."

http://www.for.gov.bc.ca/hfp/mountai...etle/faq.htm#2

Come on we both know where you initially got the information from...

directfiesta · 01-12-2007, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by stickyfingerz

Boy do I need to make a flow chart or something for you to understand? Pollution was 10 times worse in the early 1900's till around the late 1980's Why OH WHY OH WHY! Did we not have rising temperatures then? OH LORD WHY?? Wait I believe we were going to have a new ice age back then due to the pollution blocking out the sun.. YARGG BAHHH BAHHH BAHHH! I already know how easy it is to lead people down the prim rose path. Dont know why I should think it would be any different on this particular issue.

... as I said:

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Originally Posted by directfiesta
There was NOTHING to get ... Your answers are at the level of a 6 years old child

Peaches · 01-12-2007, 10:47 AM

I LOVE pine beetles. They've caused such a problem here that my HOA allows us to cut down any and all pine trees. That means I get a great view I normally wouldn't be able to have due to the HOA rules on cutting down trees ;)

Tom_PM · 01-12-2007, 10:48 AM

I didnt write that article for the Canadian Government. Neither did Al Gore. Neither did George Bush.

I saw the movie and looked into some of the research, yes. Whats the problem with that? I've always said that I dont listen to someone telling me what my opinion should be. I want to see WHY they have their opinion, and form my own.

I dont really think global warming is a "debate" any more. No biggy.

stickyfingerz · 01-12-2007, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Phoenix

not just that....your claims of 152 IQ or something silly was what really got me..lol

tack that onto your Bush supporting...NEO con type attitude and i doubt i would have anything left to say to you.

you seem to back anything that is controversial..but you are always on a certain side. you cling to loose change 2 like it is the bible of anti governement people..while it was merely made to ask questions....questyions people refuse to answer...but you with your 152 IQ you seem to know all.

lol...give me a fuckin break

no one here is buying into your shit

142 Ive tested from 138 to 145 on 4 tests. Took one in 6th grade, 1 in 9th grade, 1 in 10th grade, and 1 my senior year. High IQ really means nothing. Its just the capability your mind has to reason and hold knowledge etc.

Im running my own loose change experiment, and getting the exact results I assumed it would. You only need to plant a seed of doubt into someones mind, and they will follow lock stock and barrel.

Tom_PM · 01-12-2007, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Peaches

I LOVE pine beetles. They've caused such a problem here that my HOA allows us to cut down any and all pine trees. That means I get a great view I normally wouldn't be able to have due to the HOA rules on cutting down trees ;)

LOL, nice bonus

But you know it's because they know they'll burn like a torch. Not because Al Gore said it in a slideshow, hehe ;)

stickyfingerz · 01-12-2007, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by directfiesta

... as I said:

I see so you are saying pollution levels are worse now and thats why you think the climate is changing?

Anthony · 01-12-2007, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by PR_Tom

I disagree, Anthony. I really do. I think we can even use an anaolgy in the business. Would you rather try to get 10 hits to 10,000 ads? Or try to get 10,000 hits to 10 ads? I think you get there faster with 10,000 ads.

Making big businesses and backwards countries do the right thing is part of it, but it still falls on every individual to do what they can. Incidently, China's government mandated gas mileage standards are far better than the US. The US automakers are suing California because California had the audacity to require all cars sold in their state to meet emissions standards that match Chinas over the next 10 years.. how dare they, lol.

I've also looked into Solar and Wind power. I currently rent, but I would absolutely love to have a house where I could have a nice solar panel (about $20,000, I've checked), and a wind generator (price varies, but utility companies are required to buy your excess energy, and there are local ordinances on tower height to consider). As well as on-demand hot water heaters and other efficient appliances I've checked into.

I dont preach to people in SUV's or anything crazy, but I still quietly do my thing and would encourage others to at least pick up a 3 pack of compact flourescent bulbs. They work great, and with only 15 watts you get the same lumens as an old fasioned 60 watt (plus they dont burn out for 5 yrs)

Tom, your last paragraph changed my views, and I'm sorry if I automatically generalized you as the type to preach. I based my argument on that erroneous fact.

Which dilutes my argument actually all together, as you and I are very much alike. I've changed almost all of my lightbulbs to the HE bulbs when I moved into my condo Jan last year. I got an auto temp for my AC that raises the temp it kicks on, when I'm not there, and lowers it by the time I get home.

I've already put in my ondemand hot water heater, one of the first things I did when I moved in. I installed ceiling fans in every room of my place, my electric bills are under 100 dollars every month. For 1500 sqft place, in Florida, during the summer, I'm pretty happy with it.

I've been watching climate change and what we can do about it not so much for myself, but for my children. This can be man made, it can be mother nature, the fact is, it is happening.

Better to be prepared.

hardcoreblogger · 01-12-2007, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Peaches

But seriously, the pollution the earth as a whole is putting out is MUCH less than it was in earlier years. We ARE going forward to those of you thinking we are the only ones affecting the earth's climate.

sorry but that's just bs, do u have any stats to back this up? the global co2 emissions are still rising, the USA and Australia are the only two countries that didn't ratify Kyoto and the US still pollutes the world's air the most by far. but Asia is starting to catch up, great...

funny, i also watched the movie yesterday for the first time. i really like the way it is done. al gore doesn't just give his view, he backs it up with LOTS of scientific stats and facts. anyone who says global warming isn't happening is fucking ignorant. especially those glaciers on the poles melting at a very rapid and accelerated pace and the possibility of the gulf stream reverting is extremely alarming. no more fun in the US once that happens...

Anthony · 01-12-2007, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by hardcoreblogger

sorry but that's just bs, do u have any stats to back this up? the global co2 emissions are still rising, the USA and Australia are the only two countries that didn't ratify Kyoto and the US still pollutes the world's air the most by far. but Asia is starting to catch up, great...

funny, i also watched the movie yesterday for the first time. i really like the way it is done. al gore doesn't just give his view, he backs it up with LOTS of scientific stats and facts. anyone who says global warming isn't happening is fucking ignorant. especially those glaciers on the poles melting at a very rapid and accelerated pace and the possibility of the gulf stream reverting is extremely alarming. no more fun in the US once that happens...

Pssst...

The new buzz term is "Climate Change".

Global warming was the scare tactics pre 2k.

Peaches · 01-12-2007, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by hardcoreblogger

he backs it up with LOTS of scientific stats and facts. anyone who says global warming isn't happening is fucking ignorant. especially those glaciers on the poles melting at a very rapid and accelerated pace and the possibility of the gulf stream reverting is extremely alarming. no more fun in the US once that happens...

Again, no one's saying it isn't happening. We're saying it's BEEN happening for millions and millions (probably billions) of years. There have been seashell fossils found hundreds of miles inland in the US. I doubt they were dropped there by some prehistoric tourist

Ask Al what killed the dinosaurs since he has millions of years of data.......oh wait, he doesn't.

pink_in_the_middle · 01-12-2007, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by PR_Tom

Yes no disputing that. But did you know that when winter comes so late and spring so early that the Pine Bark Beetle doesnt die off and instead continues eating out the pine tree forests which then burn more than normal?

There's species nearing endangerment because the annual cycle of their prey has changed drastically in the recent years, so now their young are born and the food supply is simply not there like it has been for all known time.

I dunno, I think it's a non-controversial issue really. More people will notice at some point.

What I don't understand is, how people can think that we can just do whatever we want, and there's going to be no consequences for our actions. Come on, for those of you that think like this you're in for a big shocker. We have all been abusing the earth for a very long time and at some point we will pay for it.

When we moved this same time last year, everything was covered with at least 3 feet of snow. Now...nothing. We've gotten a few flakes then it melts away cause its not cold enough.
Just took this now

This is not a normal canadian winter

Anthony · 01-12-2007, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by pink_in_the_middle

What I don't understand is, how people can think that we can just do whatever we want, and there's going to be no consequences for our actions. Come on, for those of you that think like this you're in for a big shocker. We have all been abusing the earth for a very long time and at some point we will pay for it.

When we moved this same time last year, everything was covered with at least 3 feet of snow. Now...nothing. We've gotten a few flakes then it melts away cause its not cold enough.
Just took this now

This is not a normal canadian winter

Right now, Vancouver is buried in Snow.

That's not normal for that part of Canada.

I do know, it's low 80's, high 70's here in Florida. Me and the Snowbirds are saying "Hiya"!

Tom_PM · 01-12-2007, 11:15 AM

Thats cool, Anthony. $100/mo. in Fla. in summer? Holy crap. I spend that and I only get a couple of summer months per year, lol. I wanted to get a ceiling fan to move the air in my stairwell down or up as needed, but I can't really do the work since I rent. Plus I'd probably break my neck falling down a full flight of stairs,lol.

Peaches · 01-12-2007, 11:16 AM

There are areas in the states that are having the coldest winters in years, more snow, ice, etc. 4 years ago we had the coldest winter in GA since records were started.

OMG, GLOBAL COOLING!! DON'T DRIVE ANY WHERE!

_Richard_ · 01-12-2007, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by PR_Tom

I dont think you can find a US Gov. admission that the increase of beetle damage is due to warming, but the Canadian gov does:

"Why is British Columbia in the midst of a mountain pine beetle epidemic?

Forests of mature lodgepole pine are prime habitat for the mountain pine beetle. The beetle also thrives under warm weather conditions. The interior of British Columbia has an abundance of mature lodgepole pine, and has experienced several consecutive mild winters and drought-like summers. Beetle populations in many parts of interior B.C. have increased to epidemic levels as a result."

[url]http://www.for.gov.bc.ca/hfp/mountain_pine_beetle/faq.htm#2[/url

Damn PR_Tom, I wanted the pleasure of nailing his ass to the wall with this one

Us B.C.ians should have just clear cut most of our forests.. It would have actually been better for the enviroment.

Another thing is the "why wasn't pollution a problem when we were polluting so badly?" Well, ignorance.

If we were polluting today as we were before, we wouldn't be having this conversation. It be over.

What the problem is today is our government officials are just to eager to jump on voting bandwagons, ie porn, then pay attention to things that won't be popular, and aren't easy fixes. You just can't tell the weather to provide ecological documents to prove whether there is or isn't a problem.

The problem, the injustice, is the difference between not knowing, or choosing not to know.

People here have spent a lot of effort trying to make themselves feel better with the world today. A lot of "i'm smart, you're an idiot", yet i think anyone arguing the fact that there is a problem, and it needs to be solved, isn't insulting anyone.

Al Gore is an idiot, but compared to GWB? Also, in his "personal" sides of the movie, he offered a story about a family tragedy. Something about a family member dying.

Obviously not everyone missed the BLOODY MESSAGE behind this comment?

Why wait till people start dying before fixing the problem?

Lets say everything we say is correct, who is going to get nailed to the wall when shit hits the fan? Politically, it's going to be western/christian countries that's going to take the brunt of this.

If europe does get hit with an ice age, mother natures "cleaning house", how many billions of our allies are going to bite ice?

Hell, the terrorists just have to sit back and laugh while we take care of christianity for them.

R

Peaches · 01-12-2007, 11:18 AM

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=695273

stickyfingerz · 01-12-2007, 11:23 AM

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Damn PR_Tom, I wanted the pleasure of nailing his ass to the wall with this one

Us B.C.ians should have just clear cut most of our forests.. It would have actually been better for the enviroment.

Another thing is the "why wasn't pollution a problem when we were polluting so badly?" Well, ignorance.

If we were polluting today as we were before, we wouldn't be having this conversation. It be over.

What the problem is today is our government officials are just to eager to jump on voting bandwagons, ie porn, then pay attention to things that won't be popular, and aren't easy fixes. You just can't tell the weather to provide ecological documents to prove whether there is or isn't a problem.

The problem, the injustice, is the difference between not knowing, or choosing not to know.

People here have spent a lot of effort trying to make themselves feel better with the world today. A lot of "i'm smart, you're an idiot", yet i think anyone arguing the fact that there is a problem, and it needs to be solved, isn't insulting anyone.

Al Gore is an idiot, but compared to GWB? Also, in his "personal" sides of the movie, he offered a story about a family tragedy. Something about a family member dying.

Obviously not everyone missed the BLOODY MESSAGE behind this comment?

Why wait till people start dying before fixing the problem?

Lets say everything we say is correct, who is going to get nailed to the wall when shit hits the fan? Politically, it's going to be western/christian countries that's going to take the brunt of this.

If europe does get hit with an ice age, mother natures "cleaning house", how many billions of our allies are going to bite ice?

Hell, the terrorists just have to sit back and laugh while we take care of christianity for them.

R

OH it all makes sense now. So cutting back pollution from terribly drastic levels has now changed our climate by 1 degree.

So we right now have the least pollution we've had in the last 60 or 70 years, and yet .......

stickyfingerz · 01-12-2007, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Peaches

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=695273

See Al got lucky this go round, IIRC in 2003 he was in the upper north east making his little speech about global warming during a record breaking cold snap.

This time he got a warmer than average winter to preach during.

Fluid · 01-12-2007, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by D_hodough

Global Warming's pretty much a scientific fact.

The only real question is: are we to blame for it or is it simply part of a normal cycle that the Earth goes through?

depends who hires the scientist.
According to ice cores and other data (and depending on who interprets them, how deep they go back et et), before "global warming" we were on a global cooling trend. In fact, we're not even up to where the earth's temperature was 10,000 yrs ago.

_Richard_ · 01-12-2007, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by stickyfingerz

OH it all makes sense now. So cutting back pollution from terribly drastic levels has now changed our climate by 1 degree.

So we right now have the least pollution we've had in the last 60 or 70 years, and yet .......

Why do you think we have the least pollution now? With technology today, we've reduced the impact our industries have made against the climate.. woopdedoo..

But the population of the planet has quadrupled in the last 100 years? Therefor increasing the amount of pollution produced, regardless of how efficient we now are?

Why are you trying to argue this point? You aren't arguing, or debating, you're disagreeing. You haven't offered anything to contradict the common sense of the situation.

Patronize me all you want, this is both mine, your, and our childrens problem.

R

will76 · 01-12-2007, 11:46 AM

I watched the movie a few nights ago. I use to think like most people that Global warming is a cycle and that we weren't causing it.

Where did I get my information from ? I never really thought about it, like a good sheep i just absurbed the shit I heard in the media and other people saying and I believed it myself.

I would say to ANYONE who thinks Global warming is bullshit, watch Gore's movie, the Inconvenient Truth. I don;t care what you think of him but look at the stats he gives and do your own research if you don't believe him to confirm what he is saying is true. Global warming is a cycle but I am finding out now we just went off the charts of the normal cycle so it is obvious we are doing something to fuck things up.

Then, come back here, after watching the movie and state your case on how Global warming is a myth. I would love to hear your proof/theories why what Gore is saying is wrong. I am open minded if someone makes a better, more believable arguement then gore it might change my mind. Until then, don't be like I was, do some research (and in particular at least watch his movie) before you start talking about something that you t hink you know as fact, when all along you just repeating shit you heard from the media and other people who have no clue.

jmk · 01-12-2007, 11:47 AM

WHY are people even debating about whether or not to try to reduce pollution levels????

stickyfingerz · 01-12-2007, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr.Sexbankroll

Why do you think we have the least pollution now? With technology today, we've reduced the impact our industries have made against the climate.. woopdedoo..

But the population of the planet has quadrupled in the last 100 years? Therefor increasing the amount of pollution produced, regardless of how efficient we now are?

Why are you trying to argue this point? You aren't arguing, or debating, you're disagreeing. You haven't offered anything to contradict the common sense of the situation.

Patronize me all you want, this is both mine, your, and our childrens problem.

R

Umm because you could actually SEE the pollution 30 to 50 years ago. SEE IT!. Now you show me pictures of visible pollution today. Lets see it. I already posted pictures of what it used to be like, show me where its anywhere near that bad today.

1954 show me a picture today that looks ANYWHERE near this bad.

will76 · 01-12-2007, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by stickyfingerz

See Al got lucky this go round, IIRC in 2003 he was in the upper north east making his little speech about global warming during a record breaking cold snap.

This time he got a warmer than average winter to preach during.

mmm so you think global warming means, average temp this year 75, next year 76, next year 77, next year 78 in every location around the world ???

it doesn't work that way and you can't go by one location. World wide temp average from year to year is what you need to watch for. Have fun collecting all of that info and doing the math. It's total ignorance to say " but they had a cold winter, global warming is BS."

Peaches · 01-12-2007, 11:50 AM

Will, the point is that Gore only has a fraction of the earth's existence to use as "research". In the grand scheme of things, even a million years is a tiny blip on the earth's previous lifespan and Gore doesn't have even a fraction of THAT many years of data.

It's like calling one person and asking them what kind of car they drive, then saying "Based on our research, everyone we have talked to drives this car". It's a true statement, but limited data.

MaDalton · 01-12-2007, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by stickyfingerz

Boy do I need to make a flow chart or something for you to understand? Pollution was 10 times worse in the early 1900's till around the late 1980's Why OH WHY OH WHY! Did we not have rising temperatures then? OH LORD WHY?? Wait I believe we were going to have a new ice age back then due to the pollution blocking out the sun.. YARGG BAHHH BAHHH BAHHH! I already know how easy it is to lead people down the prim rose path. Dont know why I should think it would be any different on this particular issue.

to say you are uninformed and ignorant about this topic would be the understatement of the year - besides your childish way of trying to make people look silly that have serious concerns about the world we live in.

stickyfingerz · 01-12-2007, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by will76

I watched the movie a few nights ago. I use to think like most people that Global warming is a cycle and that we weren't causing it.

Where did I get my information from ? I never really thought about it, like a good sheep i just absurbed the shit I heard in the media and other people saying and I believed it myself.

I would say to ANYONE who thinks Global warming is bullshit, watch Gore's movie, the Inconvenient Truth. I don;t care what you think of him but look at the stats he gives and do your own research if you don't believe him to confirm what he is saying is true. Global warming is a cycle but I am finding out now we just went off the charts of the normal cycle so it is obvious we are doing something to fuck things up.

Then, come back here, after watching the movie and state your case on how Global warming is a myth. I would love to hear your proof/theories why what Gore is saying is wrong. I am open minded if someone makes a better, more believable arguement then gore it might change my mind. Until then, don't be like I was, do some research (and in particular at least watch his movie) before you start talking about something that you t hink you know as fact, when all along you just repeating shit you heard from the media and other people who have no clue.

Ive watched it, now which portion did you think is convincing that its not a normal warming trend? This is similar to how they conduct polls. They word the questions in such a way to attain the final results they want.

will76 · 01-12-2007, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Peaches

Actually if you READ the news, you'll see that the warm/cold oddities of this season are due to El Nino.

And that right there is the biggest problem. I wouldn't suggest getting your "facts" from the newspaper or CNN on this one, it requires a little more indept research then that.

stickyfingerz · 01-12-2007, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by will76

mmm so you think global warming means, average temp this year 75, next year 76, next year 77, next year 78 in every location around the world ???

it doesn't work that way and you can't go by one location. World wide temp average from year to year is what you need to watch for. Have fun collecting all of that info and doing the math. It's total ignorance to say " but they had a cold winter, global warming is BS."

It is total bullshit that any change is being caused by us. If there really is a change developing, then the more likely cause would be a slight change in the earths rotation. He says the caps are breaking off in the antarctic, so how bout the other end of the earth? Is it also being reduced? How bout the thickness of the ice in the middle?

Why is this glacier increasing in size?

Franz Joseph Glacier (NZ)

1964

2000

Lots of facts left out of his little movie.

will76 · 01-12-2007, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by stickyfingerz

Ive watched it, now which portion did you think is convincing that its not a normal warming trend? This is similar to how they conduct polls. They word the questions in such a way to attain the final results they want.

CO2 levels in the atmosphere are not like "conducting polls and how they word the question". It is like how much do you weight, you can say average, i am in shape, whatever but when you get on a scale you have a number no matter how you sugar coat it, if you are fat you are fat and a number will reflect that.

Off the top of my head. I guess the part where they show that the CO2 levels in the atmosphere just in the last 20 years or so have gone up to levels several times higher then at any point in history???

I also like all the white house docs where people try to cover up the issue. nice touch usually they don't do that when there isn't something they don't want to hide.

So you watch the movie, where do you disagree with him with his findings and scientific data ?

stickyfingerz · 01-12-2007, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by will76

CO2 levels in the atmosphere are not like "conducting polls and how they word the question". It is like how much do you weight, you can say average, i am in shape, whatever but when you get on a scale you have a number no matter how you sugar coat it, if you are fat you are fat and a number will reflect that.

Off the top of my head. I guess the part where they show that the CO2 levels in the atmosphere just in the last 20 years or so have gone up to levels several times higher then at any point in history???

I also like all the white house docs where people try to cover up the issue. nice touch usually they don't do that when there isn't something they don't want to hide.

So you watch the movie, where do you disagree with him with his findings and scientific data ?

Ok so what was their sampling range for c02? How many years back were they able to accurately measure?

Anthony · 01-12-2007, 12:09 PM

Ryan,

I tried to join you on the bandwagon and argue against it, but Tom took me aback with being honest and not being self forthright. Sorry Bro.

I find that even today, propaganda is still so powerful.

Anyone who has ever worked with numbers, knows that it can be skewed to show any result.

There is without a doubt, Climate Change happening. Are we part of it, absolutely, are we the main cause, I haven't seen data compelling enough to agree. I am of the camp that it is a natural occurrence.

Back in the 70's it was "Soil Erosion"
In the 80's it was "Ozone Layer"
In the 90's and today it's "Global Warming"

When do you think any of you will be able to see past the veil of fear that is being used to manipulate public opinion?

Peaches · 01-12-2007, 12:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by will76

Off the top of my head. I guess the part where they show that the CO2 levels in the atmosphere just in the last 20 years or so have gone up to levels several times higher then at any point in history???

Again, Will - in "history"??!! How can someone even claim to know this? What exactly were the CO2 levels on earth 2 million years ago? 1 million? Even 200,000 years ago?

It's limited data. Period. You can't deny that. I'll again refer to the fact that we don't even know what killed the dinosaurs - huge things - bigger than humans. Many different varieties. All gone. How? Why? Perhaps the CO2 levels were a LOT worse then? We don't know because we have VERY limited data on the earth's history.

crockett · 01-12-2007, 12:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThunderBalls

Actually the drinking water comes from snow, not ice packs. During the years when we have little snowfall in the mountains are the years we suffer droughts. There are very little ice packs, as you call it in the Rocky Mountains.

But global warming is a fact, its funny that the ones that think different are Bush supporters.

Yea that's what I was meaning by ice packs. The water comes from the melting snow.

stickyfingerz · 01-12-2007, 12:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anthony

Ryan,

I tried to join you on the bandwagon and argue against it, but Tom took me aback with being honest and not being self forthright. Sorry Bro.

I find that even today, propaganda is still so powerful.

Anyone who has ever worked with numbers, knows that it can be skewed to show any result.

There is without a doubt, Climate Change happening. Are we part of it, absolutely, are we the main cause, I haven't seen data compelling enough to agree. I am of the camp that it is a natural occurrence.

Back in the 70's it was "Soil Erosion"
In the 80's it was "Ozone Layer"
In the 90's and today it's "Global Warming"

When do you think any of you will be able to see past the veil of fear that is being used to manipulate public opinion?

Im not arguing against conserving our resources, and keeping the planet clean at all. I totally agree. Its just the doom and gloom as you pointed out there is a recurring cycle, and it gets tiresome lol.

Here read this page Was too much there to quote snippets.

http://community.livejournal.com/twc...os/528088.html

baddog · 01-12-2007, 12:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peaches

The earth has been thawing and freezing and rethawing and refreezing for millions and millions of years.

Glad to see someone watches the Discovery Channel.

stickyfingerz · 01-12-2007, 12:19 PM

Ok I will quote this snippet from that page.

Quote:

AL GORE INCONVIENIENT TRUTH

In May, our nation was exposed to perhaps one of the slickest science propaganda films of all time: former Vice President Gore?s ?An Inconvenient Truth.? In addition to having the backing of Paramount Pictures to market this film, Gore had the full backing of the media, and leading the cheerleading charge was none other than the Associated Press.

On June 27, the Associated Press ran an article by Seth Borenstein that boldly declared ?Scientists give two thumbs up to Gore's movie.? The article quoted only five scientists praising Gore?s science, despite AP?s having contacted over 100 scientists. http://www.usatoday.com/weather/news...-reviews_x.htm

The fact that over 80% of the scientists contacted by the AP had not even seen the movie or that many scientists have harshly criticized the science presented by Gore did not dissuade the news outlet one bit from its mission to promote Gore?s brand of climate alarmism. http://epw.senate.gov/pressitem.cfm?party=rep&id=257909

I am almost at a loss as to how to begin to address the series of errors, misleading science and unfounded speculation that appear in the former Vice President?s film Here is what Richard Lindzen, a meteorologist from MIT has written about ?An Inconvenient Truth.? ?A general characteristic of Mr. Gore's approach is to assiduously ignore the fact that the earth and its climate are dynamic; they are always changing even without any external forcing. To treat all change as something to fear is bad enough; to do so in order to exploit that fear is much worse.? http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110008597

What follows is a very brief summary of the science that the former Vice President promotes in either a wrong or misleading way:

? He promoted the now debunked ?hockey stick? temperature chart in an attempt to prove man?s overwhelming impact on the climate

?He attempted to minimize the significance of Medieval Warm period and the Little Ice Age

?He insisted on a link between increased hurricane activity and global warming that most sciences believe does not exist.

?He asserted that today?s Arctic is experiencing unprecedented warmth while ignoring that temperatures in the 1930?s were as warm or warmer

?He claimed the Antarctic was warming and losing ice but failed to note, that is only true of a small region and the vast bulk has been cooling and gaining ice.

?He hyped unfounded fears that Greenland?s ice is in danger of disappearing

?He erroneously claimed that ice cap on Mt. Kilimanjaro is disappearing due to global warming, even while the region cools and researchers blame the ice loss on local land-use practices

?He made assertions of massive future sea level rise that is way out side of any supposed scientific ?consensus? and is not supported in even the most alarmist literature.

?He incorrectly implied that a Peruvian glacier's retreat is due to global warming, while ignoring the fact that the region has been cooling since the 1930s and other glaciers in South America are advancing

?He blamed global warming for water loss in Africa's Lake Chad, despite NASA scientists concluding that local population and grazing factors are the more likely culprits

?He inaccurately claimed polar bears are drowning in significant numbers due to melting ice when in fact they are thriving

?He completely failed to inform viewers that the 48 scientists who accused President Bush of distorting science were part of a political advocacy group set up to support Democrat Presidential candidate John Kerry in 2004

Now that was just a brief sampling of some of the errors presented in ?An Inconvenient Truth.? Imagine how long the list would have been if I had actually seen the movie -- there would not be enough time to deliver this speech today.

psili · 01-12-2007, 12:22 PM

I found a page with a bunch of NASA graphs too, but they trend upward *shrug*

http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs/

I also couldn't find a graph that had CO2 emissions trending down. And the only thing I'm pretty confident when reading about this stuff is that:

1. CO2 is a greenhouse gas.
2. Globally, CO2 emissions are increasing due to man's actions.
3. Greenhouse gasses trap heat.

What am I missing?

Quote:

Originally Posted by WarChild

Some inconvenient facts that Mr. Gore didn't see fit to bring to light:

- On CO2 emissions and raising temperatures, could somebody please explain this graph to me:

- From 1986 to 2000 central Antarctic valleys cooled .7 degrees C per decade with serious ecosystem damage from the cold.

- Both satellite data and ground stations show slight cooling over the last 20 years.

- Side-looking radar measurements show West Antarctic ice is increasting at 26.8 gagatons/yr. Reversing the melting trend of the last 6000 years.

- Antarctic peninsula has warmed several degrees while interior has cooled somewhat. Ice shelves have retreated but sea ice has increase.

- During the last four interglacials, going back 420,000 years, the Earth was warmer than it is today.

- Less Antarctic ice has melted today than occured during the last interglacial.

- Antarctic sea ice has increased since 1979.

- The greater part of Antarctica experiences a longer sea-ice season, lasting 21 days longer than it did in 1979.

baddog · 01-12-2007, 12:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by psili

And those cycles impact life at the time how?

We are here, aren't we?

JamesXR · 01-12-2007, 12:22 PM

All the "It's cold here, we could really use some global warming." jokes are so overused, and were lame to begin with. I may be forced to light the next person who uses one of those on fire, for humor's sake.

crockett · 01-12-2007, 12:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Big John

My only

Only in the USA can money buy such mass fucking ignorance. More or less the whole world is intelligent enough to accept global warming for a fact. However, get a few billion dollar corps to pump cash in to say otherwise in the USA and the amount of idiots who believe them is amazing.

lol it's very sad but true.. Money can buy anything and it buys a hell of a lot of ignorance. As a side note don't think that everyone in the Us is accepts the spoon fed BS like this. The problem is the people with a clue don't have a voice because the politicians and too busy stuffing their pockets from all the damn big business lobbyists.

Honestly sometimes I wish al qaeda or whom ever the buggy man is this week would just drop a nuke on DC. I think a lot of the world's problems would be solved and we could start over maybe with a govt not so corrupt govt in this country. That or round up all the damn lobbyists and leave them in the middle of the ocean on a island somewhere. Hopefully one that floods due to global warming..

01-12-2007, 10:41 AM	#107
Tom_PM Porn Meister Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 16,443	I dont think you can find a US Gov. admission that the increase of beetle damage is due to warming, but the Canadian gov does: "Why is British Columbia in the midst of a mountain pine beetle epidemic? Forests of mature lodgepole pine are prime habitat for the mountain pine beetle. The beetle also thrives under warm weather conditions. The interior of British Columbia has an abundance of mature lodgepole pine, and has experienced several consecutive mild winters and drought-like summers. Beetle populations in many parts of interior B.C. have increased to epidemic levels as a result." http://www.for.gov.bc.ca/hfp/mountai...etle/faq.htm#2 __________________ 43-922-863 Shut up and play your guitar.

01-12-2007, 10:48 AM	#112
Tom_PM Porn Meister Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 16,443	I didnt write that article for the Canadian Government. Neither did Al Gore. Neither did George Bush. I saw the movie and looked into some of the research, yes. Whats the problem with that? I've always said that I dont listen to someone telling me what my opinion should be. I want to see WHY they have their opinion, and form my own. I dont really think global warming is a "debate" any more. No biggy. __________________ 43-922-863 Shut up and play your guitar.

01-12-2007, 11:15 AM	#122
Tom_PM Porn Meister Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 16,443	Thats cool, Anthony. $100/mo. in Fla. in summer? Holy crap. I spend that and I only get a couple of summer months per year, lol. I wanted to get a ceiling fan to move the air in my stairwell down or up as needed, but I can't really do the work since I rent. Plus I'd probably break my neck falling down a full flight of stairs,lol. __________________ 43-922-863 Shut up and play your guitar.

01-12-2007, 11:46 AM	#130
will76 Making $$$$ w/ ClickCash Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Location: USA Posts: 18,037	I watched the movie a few nights ago. I use to think like most people that Global warming is a cycle and that we weren't causing it. Where did I get my information from ? I never really thought about it, like a good sheep i just absurbed the shit I heard in the media and other people saying and I believed it myself. I would say to ANYONE who thinks Global warming is bullshit, watch Gore's movie, the Inconvenient Truth. I don;t care what you think of him but look at the stats he gives and do your own research if you don't believe him to confirm what he is saying is true. Global warming is a cycle but I am finding out now we just went off the charts of the normal cycle so it is obvious we are doing something to fuck things up. Then, come back here, after watching the movie and state your case on how Global warming is a myth. I would love to hear your proof/theories why what Gore is saying is wrong. I am open minded if someone makes a better, more believable arguement then gore it might change my mind. Until then, don't be like I was, do some research (and in particular at least watch his movie) before you start talking about something that you t hink you know as fact, when all along you just repeating shit you heard from the media and other people who have no clue. __________________ ICQ: 86364801 Email: will [at] innovativeassets [dot] com PROGRAM SHIT LIST - DO NOT PROMOTE (click link for gfy thread) FNCash \| Media Revenue

01-12-2007, 12:09 PM	#141
Anthony Keyboard Warrior Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: One of the outer rings of Hell Posts: 9,653	Ryan, I tried to join you on the bandwagon and argue against it, but Tom took me aback with being honest and not being self forthright. Sorry Bro. I find that even today, propaganda is still so powerful. Anyone who has ever worked with numbers, knows that it can be skewed to show any result. There is without a doubt, Climate Change happening. Are we part of it, absolutely, are we the main cause, I haven't seen data compelling enough to agree. I am of the camp that it is a natural occurrence. Back in the 70's it was "Soil Erosion" In the 80's it was "Ozone Layer" In the 90's and today it's "Global Warming" When do you think any of you will be able to see past the veil of fear that is being used to manipulate public opinion? __________________

01-12-2007, 10:47 AM	#111
Peaches Old broad Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Away Posts: 13,933	I LOVE pine beetles. They've caused such a problem here that my HOA allows us to cut down any and all pine trees. That means I get a great view I normally wouldn't be able to have due to the HOA rules on cutting down trees ;)

01-12-2007, 11:16 AM	#123
Peaches Old broad Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Away Posts: 13,933	There are areas in the states that are having the coldest winters in years, more snow, ice, etc. 4 years ago we had the coldest winter in GA since records were started. OMG, GLOBAL COOLING!! DON'T DRIVE ANY WHERE!

01-12-2007, 11:18 AM	#125
Peaches Old broad Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Away Posts: 13,933	http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=695273

01-12-2007, 11:47 AM	#131
jmk Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,391	WHY are people even debating about whether or not to try to reduce pollution levels????

01-12-2007, 11:50 AM	#134
Peaches Old broad Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Away Posts: 13,933	Will, the point is that Gore only has a fraction of the earth's existence to use as "research". In the grand scheme of things, even a million years is a tiny blip on the earth's previous lifespan and Gore doesn't have even a fraction of THAT many years of data. It's like calling one person and asking them what kind of car they drive, then saying "Based on our research, everyone we have talked to drives this car". It's a true statement, but limited data.

01-12-2007, 12:22 PM	#149
JamesXR Registered User Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Capistrano Beach, CA Posts: 69	All the "It's cold here, we could really use some global warming." jokes are so overused, and were lame to begin with. I may be forced to light the next person who uses one of those on fire, for humor's sake. __________________ James Medina Nicheshops.com Business Development ICQ: 357-142-337