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polish_aristocrat 01-08-2007 08:01 PM
how about we discuss the Israel-Iran conflict in this thread to get more views?

d00t 01-08-2007 08:25 PM
oh fuck not again

why can't this shit just fuckoff and die

FightThisPatent 01-09-2007 08:10 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by polish_aristocrat (Post 11690666)
how about we discuss the Israel-Iran conflict in this thread to get more views?

LOL.

or we can just talk about what happens next once .XXX gets approved, and how the following will react:

1) those that supported .XXX in thinking they are going to get preferrential treatment on domains (conspiracy theory)

2) those that supported .XXX for its "voluntary" status, and .XXX bills in congress put on fast forward (future thinking theory).

3) how many lawsuits will come about due to those who put in .XXX trademarks.

4) amount of controversy will come out when domain owners of the same base (ie. domain_name) with different extensions (ie. .com, .net, .co.uk, .de, .jp, etc) all put a claim on the .xxx equivalent

5) lobbying effort to congress that since .XXX will clearly protect children, that there should not be any such thing as obscenity law prosecutions because .XXX would be the equivalent of sitting behind closed doors. (some states that have sodomy laws like Texas used to, where you can't even do stuff inside your own home.. would probably still have a claim to obscenity prosecutions)... and thefore allow for a 'legit' red-light district in U.S. cyberspace (this idea freaks out conservative/religious/right).

6) since ICANN is taking an active role in .XXX, will they make a content terms of service that adult content must go to .XXX, which their power to do so, goes beyond U.S. borders and without any law needing to be passed (conspiracy theory).



Fight the bump!

polish_aristocrat 01-09-2007 10:17 AM
:thumbsup

s9ann0 01-09-2007 11:49 AM
I tried to read theregister.co.uk article on .xxx in my gym and the blocking software censored it!

Xplicit 01-09-2007 01:52 PM
*bumping for a good cause!

polish_aristocrat 01-09-2007 04:05 PM
Looks like the emails are coming in... BUT they don't seem to be from webmasters...

Good thing that 80% of them are anti-xxx though...

F U S I O N 01-09-2007 04:42 PM
bumpage....

polish_aristocrat 01-09-2007 05:33 PM
Adult Webmaster SUPPORTS .xxx
 
http://forum.icann.org/lists/xxx-icm.../msg00117.html

Quote:
Why is it that anytime someone tries something new the naysayer's jump in and say it won't work? How do they know, until it's been tried, if it will fail or succeed? I love all of these "instant experts". From my experience, as an Adult Webmaster, few things work exactly as you originally thought, but that's not a reason to quit before you start. Sure, .xxx will probably take some time to be effective. For me, I'm just excited to be able to by some really cool branded domains.


PLEASE VOTE YES for .XXX


Claud Davidson
what an idiot... oh and good luck with buying all these prime .xxx domains :1orglaugh

Luscious Media 01-09-2007 05:43 PM
xxx vs kid
 
I read most of the replies here but didn't see one idea I thought was a little better than a 'xxx' domain. What about a 'kid' domain instead? (if someone posted this earlier...sorry)

I emailed ICANN and put that in there. I dunno...I'm no expert but...if ya wanna protect the crumb snatchers...put em in the playpen. :2 cents:

NemesiS876 01-10-2007 09:59 AM
Just another bump here :)

FightThisPatent 01-10-2007 10:07 AM
alot of pro .xxx posters at:
http://forum.icann.org/lists/xxx-icm-agreement

The common theme to their post, is that .XXX would be useful to block the porn sites, whether visually, in seeing .XXX, or filtering software.

I personally, think being able to block porn sites if the adult or child doesn't want to see it. Including at offices, where the company tries to block porn.

I know many paysites who have customers who view from work, and having corporate blockage would hurt some what in revenue, but those businesses do have a right to block.

So the flipside to this whole story, is that .XXX is voluntary.

So anyone who gets a .XXX domain is "voluntarily" allowing themselves to be blocked.

I fully support ASACP's RTA voluntary labelling at http://www.rtalabel.com

and yes, this too can be used to filter, as it was designed to do.

So while I think mechanics of .XXX is a bad idea, those that rush to register your .xxx domains are clearly in support of being blocked and filtered.

Many will come to the conclusion to just not use the .XXX domain and keep their .coms

This is the equivalent to collecting stamps, and you'll be stuck paying your yearly porn tax for those domains.

.XXX is damned if you do and damned if you don't, and like with lawsuits where the attorneys are the ones that win out, ICM will be the one that wins out in the end.

So for those that supported this effort in the beginning, hope you can understand what you have created.


Fight the pandora's box!

Far-L 01-10-2007 11:40 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheLegacy (Post 11685132)
thank you for keeping us updated to this once again. I am still baffled by some comments and amazed that still some are thinking xxx is a good idea.

Follow the money... anyone that feels like they have something to gain from it by sucking up to the companies that are secretly supporting it will do so.

Elixir 01-10-2007 01:16 PM
ok just helpfull BUMP form me :) !

F U S I O N 01-10-2007 01:25 PM
I'll see your bump and raise it another. :)

polish_aristocrat 01-10-2007 04:13 PM
Nice article / blog entry on .xxx

The Arguments For and Against the .XXX Domain, Summarized

http://www.thewhir.com/blogs/Liam-Ea...ain-Summarized

Quote:
We reported this week that ICANN had taken a second look at a revised proposal for the .xxx domain, submitted by the ICM registry. The domain was struck down in May of 2006 by ICANN, in a 9-5 vote that reversed an earlier endorsement by the governing body.
The ICM Registry's new proposal includes additions to the ICM Registry's efforts to protect children, ensure registrants label content clearly, prohibit spam, prevent certain religious or culturally sensitive names from being registered and donate money to child safety organizations.

The .xxx domain has been in the works for years. And in case you're just getting caught up, we happen to have paying attention from the start (In 2005, for instance, we published an interview with the VP of the ICM Registry, Jason Hendeles).

I thought perhaps I'd take a shot at summarizing the arguments for, and against, the .xxx domain - a project that has been particularly polarizing.


PRO

The arguments in favor of the .xxx domain generally have to do with its regulatory potential, or the fundamental value of compartmentalizing the Internet along the lines of the .travel or .museum domains.


Obviously, the domain would be a very effective classification for potentially offensive material. Hypothetically, adult material located on the .xxx domain would be much easier to: a) block, if you were a parent or a business owner; b) find, if that were what you were looking for; and c) avoid accidentally stumbling upon while innocently searching for something like "shirtless cowboys."

The specialized domain would, hypothetically again, enable easier regulation over the Internet's adult content, with sites hosted on .xxx domains held to certain professional standards, along the lines of the .mobi or .pro domains. Adult publishers would presumably be legitimized by virtue of their willingness to participate and submit to further regulation.

CON

Interestingly, opposition to the .xxx domain comes from people involved in the pornography business and from conservative Christian groups - two factions more typically found on opposing sides of a given argument.


The creation of an xxx domain would seem to imply a specialized area online for adult content. Of course, profitable, professionally-run adult businesses currently operating on .com domain in perfect compliance with every applicable law would not want (and, presumably, would not be expected) to give up their .com properties and move to the .xxx domain.

Despite the fact that the domain was not necessarily created to contain online pornography, adult publishers fear (and probably rightly so) that the creation of .xxx would inevitably lead to conservative legislators at least trying to legally limit adult content to that domain.

Whatever regulation the .xxx domain registry set out to impose would run into difficulty in accommodating standards of decency, ages of consent and other local variations from around the world. The other danger here is that the knee-jerk "solution" to that problem might be to impose American standards of decency on material hosted in other countries (not to mention the conflict inherent in anything that implies an American control over Internet oversight - a little ironic, considering that the US government's influence is the main reason the .xxx proposal was rejected).

The creation of the .xxx domain, the regulation it would impose, and the separation it would attempt to create would invite many difficult-to-answer questions about what kind of content can be described as "sexually explicit."

For existing adult publishers, of which there is certainly no shortage, the .xxx domain would seem to be short on tangible benefits and long on hassles. In a sense, it's just another domain to register, another property to manage, another channel in which to defend copyrights and another opportunity for cyber squatters.

The folks who object to adult material in general on ethical grounds object to the creation of a domain specifically for adult content because it lends that material a legitimacy they don't believe it should possess.

While the anti-pornography argument made up only a small slice of the overall theoretical objection to the .xxx domain, it was the overwhelming cause for the original rejection of the domain's proposal. Conservative groups like the American Family Association exerted pressure on the US government, which in turn exerted its influence over ICANN.

I'm skeptical whether the re-submitted proposal will have ultimately result in a .xxx domain. After all, the movement that saw the domain rejected in may was driven by an opposition to pornography in general, not by a rejection of the ICM Registry's specific plan for the domain's operation.

I'm also skeptical as to the value of a .xxx domain, as I generally am with sponsored top-level domains. I've never visited a Web address with a .aero extension, for instance. In fact, I couldn't name a single .aero site. But I suppose maybe the airplane business types don't want me nosing around their Web sites anyway.

The people building .xxx Web sites, though, they do want new visitors on their Web sites. It's their bread and butter. Frankly, I just don't see the domain's value.

(As with previous declarations of skepticisim, I'd like to invite anybody who feels they could offer up another pro or con to leave a comment.)

FightThisPatent 01-10-2007 04:35 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by polish_aristocrat (Post 11705653)
Nice article / blog entry on .xxx

The Arguments For and Against the .XXX Domain, Summarized

http://www.thewhir.com/blogs/Liam-Ea...ain-Summarized

there was certainly a long CON explanation than PRO... LOL


Fight the scale!

F U S I O N 01-10-2007 05:36 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by polish_aristocrat (Post 11705653)
Nice article / blog entry on .xxx

The Arguments For and Against the .XXX Domain, Summarized

http://www.thewhir.com/blogs/Liam-Ea...ain-Summarized

Excellent post! :thumbsup

F U S I O N 01-11-2007 06:25 AM
Thursday morning bump!

...and let me just say I still have not seen one sponsor email sent out related to this. :(

F U S I O N 01-11-2007 11:32 AM
and another.....

FightThisPatent 01-11-2007 04:48 PM
Fight the and another another!

polish_aristocrat 01-11-2007 09:03 PM
bump


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F U S I O N 01-12-2007 02:13 AM
and another...

woj 01-12-2007 01:12 PM
buuuump... :thumbsup

RastaSkull 01-12-2007 01:15 PM
bump in this thread

loreen 01-12-2007 01:19 PM
bump for polish_aristocrat :)

polish_aristocrat 01-12-2007 01:39 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by loreen (Post 11719966)
bump for polish_aristocrat :)
I feel honoured.... :upsidedow

polish_aristocrat 01-12-2007 01:44 PM
anyway, this thread was started 6 days ago and so far the response is... disappointing....


maybe it will change after Internext ?

F U S I O N 01-12-2007 05:06 PM
bump for some responses.....

polish_aristocrat 01-12-2007 06:18 PM
Wtf?
 
from http://www.internetnews.com/bus-news...le.php/3653756

Quote:
January 12, 2007
Another Triple-X Shot For ICANN
By Sean Michael Kerner


The Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) is considering a proposal for a .xxx top level domain (TLD). It's a situation that has been on again off again for more than six years.

A revised agreement for the administration of the .xxx registry by vendor ICM Registry is now available for a public comment period that is open until Feb. 5. The revised agreement follows a May 2006 agreement that was voted down nine to five by the ICANN board.

The new agreement, which spans some 94 pages, includes additional terms that are intended to help prevent spam and ensure that content is clearly labeled, as well as make sure certain religious or culturally sensitive names are not registered.

The revised agreement also specifies that ICM Registry will, "provide financial support for child safety organizations and to sponsor development of technology to enhance the ability of Internet users to control their online experience."

So far the reaction to the new agreement has been mixed.

The public comment forum includes both those that approve and disapprove in almost equal numbers. It's hardly a surprise considering that disagreement and controversy have surrounded the .xxx domain for years.

The first attempt at the .xxx registry was rejected in November 2000. In June 2005, ICANN announced it had begun negotiating with the ICM Registry for the creation of the .xxx sponsored top-level domain (sTLD).

In September 2005 the U.S. Department of Commercestepped in and helped to delay the decision on .xxx until May 2006 when it was voted down.

F U S I O N 01-13-2007 02:15 AM
bump....

polish_aristocrat 01-13-2007 12:54 PM
the anti-.xxx letters from Christian groups start coming in

I wonder if the Family Research Council will get involved again as well...

F U S I O N 01-19-2007 04:14 AM
bump!!!!

polish_aristocrat 01-19-2007 06:44 AM
another article
 
http://www.cnsnews.com/news/viewstor...20070119a.html


Quote:
'.XXX' Domain Name Under Consideration Again
By Nathan Burchfiel
CNSNews.com Staff Writer
January 19, 2007

(CNSNews.com) - The organization in charge of approving Internet domains has reintroduced a controversial proposal to create a domain registry specifically for pornographic content.

The Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) in June 2005 approved the creation of the ".xxx" domain. But in May 2006, the organization voted against a contract with domain distributor ICM Registry, in part because of outcry from conservative family groups.

Since then, the ICANN and ICM Registry have worked to revise the terms of the original contract, adding policies aimed at prohibiting child pornography, requiring content labeling, prohibiting deceptive marketing and prohibiting unsolicited marketing.

ICANN began accepting public feedback on the revised contract on Jan. 5 and conservatives have relaunched a campaign to prevent its creation.

An Internet domain name points browsers to a website. For example, browsers can reach Cybercast News Service's website by entering www.cnsnews.com or www.cnsnews.org into their browser. Both domain names direct readers to the same website.

The same concept would apply to the new .xxx domain names. Owners of pre-existing or new adult websites could purchase the domain name and direct it to their site, making it easier for web surfers to find their page.

Opponents of the new domain worry that it will encourage more pornographic content on the Internet.

"Proliferating pornography will not protect children from pornography," the Christian group Focus on the Family said in an email to its members. "It will only increase the risk of exposure. Even if some families use filters to block XXX sites, children in families who don't will be at greater risk of exposure than before."

Focus on the Family also complains that creating the adult-only domain "would confer legitimacy to an industry that regularly scoffs at the law. It's like creating a free-market zone for drug dealers or prostitutes to operate more effectively."

The group has urged its members to oppose the new domain, comparing Internet pornography to "an unholy monster."

ICM Registry says the new domain "will create a clearly identifiable area of the Internet so that Internet users can be more informed when choosing to select or avoid adult entertainment sites."

Stuart Lawley, president of ICM, told Cybercast News Service that requirements for the new domain will make it easier for concerned parents to filter out adult content by offering owners of pornographic websites an incentive to label their pages with content tags that filtering software can read.

Website owners who purchase an ".xxx domain" to direct more browsers to their site will be required to label their page with content-specific tags that filtering software can recognize and block.

The tag would apply to all the domains pointing to the page, making it easier for filter software to block adult websites also registered under generic domains like ".com" or ".net," which do not require content tags.

ICM Registry says on its website that the adult domain is "for responsible members of the online adult entertainment industry and those that supply products and/or services to it." Part of the $60 annual fee for registering an .xxx domain would go to an independent governing body that would set policies for website owners who use the domain.

ICANN has received hundreds of comments from the public since the revised proposal was submitted Jan. 5, and the organization will continue to accept public comment until Feb. 5.

The feedback so far is opposed to the new domain by a margin of about 5-to-1.

Some of the opponents claim to be owners of adult websites who say they will not switch from .com to .xxx.

"Just for your information - about 95 percent of adult webmasters are opposed to the .xxx idea," one commenter identified as WebmasterCEO said. "We will not move our websites there!" :winkwink:

But Lawley said his company began offering reservations for the new domains in May 2006 and has "had a tremendous response."

LAJ 01-19-2007 07:17 AM
Here's some more info from our accidental supporters:

http://www.ynot.com/modules.php?op=m...le &sid=22742

F U S I O N 01-19-2007 07:50 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by polish_aristocrat (Post 11754565)
.....The feedback so far is opposed to the new domain by a margin of about 5-to-1.
Lets make it 100 to 1!

polish_aristocrat 01-19-2007 11:49 AM
where do these people come from?

Quote:
To whom it may concern,

As an adult webmaster I support .xxx. I am convinced it can make a difference
if our industry chooses to self regulate, rather than being forced to.

Ms. L. Peters
http://forum.icann.org/lists/xxx-icm.../msg00295.html


or

Quote:
Please get going with .XXX. THe delay has been long enough. I will use .xxx
for my sites.

Dennis Piper

http://forum.icann.org/lists/xxx-icm.../msg00249.html


and especially this one

Quote:
Please approve Dot.xxx

The comments against Dot.xxx amaze me!

In one letter a women expressed that it will make porn more accessible, how?
It can't get any more accessible than it currently is today. What it can do is
help webmasters identify their URLs to indicate content.

This same person does not seem to be aware of the trend to create special
suffixes, ie. .travel, .jobs, .aero, and so on.

In another email a person says that the cost will prohibit adoption because of
the high price. His stated price of $75 is TWENTY ONE cents per day. Sir, how
much per day do you pay for your Double Latte? The cost that webmasters pay
for their domains is a write off. Being that Dot.xxx will make more attractive
shorter strings available will clearly offset the cost. Only a speculator would
scoff at the price.

Another writer says that Dot.xxx will legitimize the porn industry. Lady, WE
are legitimate. The porn industry pays taxes that go to building roads,
supporting our Military, feeding and clothing hungry children, and everything
else that tax dollars do. MY tax dollars subsidize your Churches that are TAX
EXEMPT and DO NOT pay tax!

P.s. if you want to de-legitimize porno you need to elect people who will make
it illegal and STOP profiteering by accepting taxes from its sales. Not by
ignoring that it exists and refusing to label it.

Nearly every negative posting I read speaks of fear and ignorance.

Porn will exist with or without Dot.xxx.

Identification at the TLD level will NOT exist without Dot.xxx.

People need to stop fearing the truth; porn exists, has always, and will
always. Wouldn?t you rather live in a world where at least part of it is
labeled?

Please approve Dot.xxx

Sincerely,

Rick Wilkins
Top Gun Images
http://forum.icann.org/lists/xxx-icm.../msg00303.html


are the ICM guys paying college kids to send such comments? Or are some people just retarded?

Anyway, looks like not much webmasters from GFY or not much adult companies are sending their anti-xxx emails anymore. The most anti-.xxx comments come now from religious groups supporters...

F U S I O N 01-19-2007 01:29 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by polish_aristocrat (Post 11755980)
Anyway, looks like not much webmasters from GFY or not much adult companies are sending their anti-xxx emails anymore. The most anti-.xxx comments come now from religious groups supporters...
Nope, still haven't seen a single email from a sponsor to affiliates addressing this. :( :helpme :error

Brad 01-19-2007 03:28 PM
what I don't understand is that if it's not mandetory at first but they do eventually make it mandetory won't there be a asslickers.com and an asslickers.xxx? so then you fuck over the guy with the .com domain? I really don't see how this is going to work. the people who are responsible for making the internet popular are the ones who are going to be punished are they not? I'm sure that there will be lots of people who go out and buy up all of the popular sites then like sex.xxx, danni.xxx, hustler.xxx, you get the point. who is going to govern that? also how is it that the US now governs the internet? i don't see how they can be the ones enacting laws that effect ppl all over the world. the US doesn't even represent 10% of the worlds population yet they can govern the internet? how does this work?

davecummings 01-19-2007 05:31 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Adult Lounge - Brad (Post 11757124)
what I don't understand is that if it's not mandetory at first but they do eventually make it mandetory won't there be a asslickers.com and an asslickers.xxx? so then you fuck over the guy with the .com domain? I really don't see how this is going to work. the people who are responsible for making the internet popular are the ones who are going to be punished are they not? I'm sure that there will be lots of people who go out and buy up all of the popular sites then like sex.xxx, danni.xxx, hustler.xxx, you get the point. who is going to govern that? also how is it that the US now governs the internet? i don't see how they can be the ones enacting laws that effect ppl all over the world. the US doesn't even represent 10% of the worlds population yet they can govern the internet? how does this work?
I fear the probability that some asshole AMERICAN legislators ( who are pandering to the radical right-wing religious hypocrites who pressure him/her/them into yet another mis-directed "to protect the children" bill or law, and/or those who contribute campaign donations to that/those legislators) will propose legislation to fence-out all AMERICAN dot com adult sites and force us into .xxx by going after ISP, or 3d-party billing, etc and imposing fines and/or jail time if we don't shut down our adult dot com sites. American law can't force foreign websites to go to .xxx, so they will flourish, hurt the income of American Adult dot com companies/sites, and fill the void and demand for our content by providing access to much harsher content from the former USSR and some Eastern-European and Asian that will make it a nightmare for everyone, including parents. Add to that the loss of sales, taxes and the increase in the balance of trade deficits, and AMERICA gets hosed:-(((.

This .xxx has got to be stopped; and, IMHO, any entity that previously supported .xxx needs to write ICANN and rescind their support NOW (and PUBLICLY?)!!!!!!!!!

Yes, this old fogey is upset by .xxx and the people behind it, those supporting it, and those not willing to now admit they made a mistake when they supported it in the past before all the real facts came out. I invite those of you who know the present supporters to "OUT" them, and I hope ALL of us will boycott any supporters of .xxx.

IMHO .xxx is suicide for American adult sites.

:-(((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((

Dave
Old Fogey


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