Only reason there's a push for .XXX is to make more money, it won't prevent any type of content being displayed. Sure, it would make some people's lives easier but it would disrupt a far greater number of peoples' lives and businesses; maybe that's what they're hoping for though..

It would be better to simply make it so you can get a ticket / fine for not properly labeling a website such as the type of content involved. And then make it mandatory for all browsers to prevent the page loading if an adult-related tag or whatever level of filtering is wanted.

Make penalty for not properly labeling a fine, make penalty for not paying fine (after a good period of time) being losing the domain..

Matt

polish quoted this first;

Firstly, she contradicts herself with what she means to say.

Secondly, advertise directly to children? WHAT?

Thirdly, what are these adults she talks about searching for that porn sites are coming up? [That would be the search engine's problem then by the way...]

Pulling the protect my children from porn card is still lame. If she has filter software then her child AND HERSELF would NOT be exposed to any adult content.

I do believe filter software should be free / a publically paid for service --- not by a tax on just adult sites, that wouldn't be fair, but an internet tax of sorts.

Also I think search engines are seeming to get away without much blame. I would think Google should release an adult content filter through their Toolbar or something.

Matt

not really, Im completely against it. The web doesn't need any new drastic measures or forms of censorship...

IMO seeing beheading or hanging videos on youtube has a worse effect on childrean than accidently finding porn

or many many other things could be more harmful too, and yet you see only people trying to remove porn from the web

ah well, shit, why are we debating this again? It has been debated for past 2 or even 3 years.. We agree .XXX is bad, no reason to debate it again (other than to keep this thread at the top). We should act, not debate.

I will send some comments soon to ICANN as wel..

Fight: No problemo.....they should lock the prior threads, and point folks to this thread only.

What was interesting is that the US Trademark office actually allowed some registered trademarks on domains with .xxx in them, with applicants arguing that it's not generic because ICANN decided not to go ahead with .xxx! Now they're first in line to grab those names in the sunrise/landrush. See lesbian.xxx as one example (Elite Family LLC is behind several of the applications/registrations):

http://tarr.uspto.gov/servlet/tarr?r...entry=78643765

If one prints out all the "TDR" records associated with that application, they mention on page 7 of 9 of one of the documents that "ICANN has recently made the decision not to allow creation of a .xxx top level domain."

The actual domain name that the "TM" is used is on lesbiandotxxx.com (as are many of the other TMs they registered, for _____dotxxx.com).

Also, XPays owns a registered TM for "XXX", see:

http://tarr.uspto.gov/servlet/tarr?r...entry=78127349

for "DISSEMINATION OF ADVERTISING OF THE GOODS AND SERVICES OF OTHERS VIA A GLOBAL COMPUTER NETWORK."

Good points.

Matt

Confirmation received. Comments should be available soon.

yup, many have done that, including sex.com with sex.xxx

If .XXX gets approved, it won't be smooth sailing, there will surely be lawsuits filed from domain owners who are fighting to see who gets the .xxx equivalent.

ex: somesexsite.com, somesexite.dk, somesexsite.co.uk, somesexsite.jp who gets the .xxx ?

There may be other procedural lawsuits filed for injunctions, etc. It is going to be an interesting for those involved if .XXX gets approved.



Fight the watching!

I think most companies are ignorant, don't care enough, don't care at all etc

last time when we fighted .xxx in May 2006, it were about 10 individuals who raised awarness here and kept all the threads about it on top of GFY which resulted in a few hundred emails from GFY sent to ICANN, which was already some kind of achievement

I wonder if we can do it again though...

My letter has been posted.

ya, but i think it was the 60,000+ emails from religious/convervative groups along with the US government opposition that spoke the loudest over 600+ emails messages from webmasters.

Lawley has stated that over 1,000 adult webmasters have sent support for .XXX

Let's take that for face value, that 1,000 emails were forwarded to ICANN.. what does that say to our 600 in opposition? It says there is community support.


In looking at the AVN article and the part i pulled out of in my earlier post, that what ICANN seems to have accepted is that the adult online industry is not the sponsorship community... it is broader to include non-adult parties, therefore a majority consensus from adult is not needed to prove constituency.

This is quite bizarre because it means anyone who thinks there should be .XXX is the sponsorship community.

It also appears that the changes that ICM has provided to ICANN appeases concerns of ICANN/GAC members, that they are not looking at the issue of adult community, but rather if ICM's plans for the registries satisfies other issues that are more technical, and less abstract.

I do fear that ICM has done all it is required to do for the TLD application that ICANN will approve it.

At that point, that;s when the can of worms gets opened up... it will certainly be interesting to see the landscape after the .XXX approval.


Fight the stay tuned!

Im getting my letter ready

I wouldnt be surprised if the only pro isnt from the icm.

I commented 10 minutes ago and it's still not showing up...

How long after you sent your email did it appear?

Thanks..

Email sent....

Sent the mail before I finsihed the rest of the post.

Thanks.

For those that do send in emails, there is a confirmation email that is sent back to you. The subject is: ConfirmSystem: [email protected] (followed by an ID #) and it comes from [email protected]

Just an FYI

ya, i had already got that confimation.. clicked the link before i posted last .. it said thank you.. and still no message showing up...

i'll check later...

(maybe they are backlogged due to getting hammered with complaints.. lol well.. a boy can dream can't he?)

I think Christine's email is not really relevant since she is not in the industry, so it is not an email from someone in the industry that is supporting it . . . which I believe is why this is still being discussed.

As Brandon stated above, "the overriding thing that ICM cannot demonstrate is that the adult online internet community wants .XXX." Christine's opinion means squat.

So, Brandon, can we write responses to Christine's (or other proponents) comment(s) pointing out that fact?

They are just slow.

given kathee's interview with lawley in her avn article, its clear that .XXX has defined what is the "sponsorship community" is anyone who supports .XXX

so they don't need to get the support of the adult community.

what the public comment period is for, is to comment on the recent proposals by ICM on the items.


not sure if a posting debate is going to be useful, instead of just all webmasters posting up that they don't support .XXX


Fight the rollcall!

So I guess it is time to bring in the religion contingency after all. I got the impression from your earlier post that they were not needed. There are more of them than us.

http://forum.icann.org/lists/xxx-icm.../msg00013.html

really good post. in fact, i am very impressed at the amount of time and thought that all the posters are putting in. There aren't the .XXX SUCKS kind of posts... the rational, logical type of responses needed to show there is an understanding and need to protect children from bad stuff, but there are better ways to do it than .XXX.

One thing i would like to point out to the poster is that the US Government was one of the reasons why .XXX proposal got shutdown last year. The Bush administration doesn't want .XXX actually, and neither do groups like Family Research Counsel (FRC).

Last round, there were 600+ posts from adult webmasters, but there were over 30,000 emails from the religious/conservatives against .XXX in addition to US Government letter that gave their thumbs down view.

It was ironic then that the non-adult participants in this issue helped to get the overall thumbs down vote at ICANN.

But, this time around, it may have gone past the demonstration of adult community position on the matter to more technical issues of the contract.

But, that doesn't stop webmasters from taking the public stand.

As one poster said, anyone who posts on GFY should be writig their opposition letter and taking a stand.

.XXX will end up being a yearly porn tax for the industry if it gets approved, and becomes a cost of doing business at $60/domain.



Fight the bell ringing!

They are needed again, because they were effective last time.. they are the ones that need to be presented with the idea, that maybe if .XXX gets approved, and maybe if congress looks to make it mandatory, that it will just make .XXX a safe harbour, since kids and adults will know what .XXX means.. and therefore no obscenity charges ever again..

that will never happen, but it might make them think about what they are really supporting when they want .XXX


Fight the reverse double twist logic!

Luckily tomorrow is Sunday. Everyone can print out some anti-porn fliers and pass them out in front of their local churches tomorrow.



Fight the Litter

comment period is open until Feb 5th.


Fight the FYI GFY!

actually I think if they (FRC) thought .xxx could be mandatory, they would support it

they oppose it now because they know it won't be mandatory and thus it will only increase the amount of pornsites

You know, we probably shouldn't even be discussing this in public any more since someone thought it was a good idea to post a link to this thread.

No telling who will be reading this.

making it mandatory is one step closer to making a red light district that could turn into a safe zone.. that's their fear.

and creating .xxx would in fact create more porn sites.. because there would be the .COM and the .XXX equiavlant.. and domains normally taken by .com would open up like yellow.xxx could be a urine fetish site and more porn sites would be inspired to be created, because the cost of creating content and getting traffic is lower barrier to entry.

So yes, their worst fear of more domains if .XXX comes online is true, and is exactly what ICM has been saying all along.. .XXX opens up the namespace.

exactly.


Fight the fighthepatent.xxx!

already an icann post that someone linked to this thread.


Fight the we have company, be on your best behaviour!

frankly i dont care for the.xxx domains
ill stick with my dot com's

what if it isn't voluntary?

You know, there is a high percentage that have no idea what that means. :helpme

Soon after writing this post I will be sending an email against the .xxx domains. That said what I think is needed is a clear understanding as to who will be affected by adult websites using .xxx... (I myself need to do more reading on the subject as I still have many questions)

After all -
will this be mandatory for all adult websites to move to a .xxx domain,
who will go after website owners that have adult content and use a .com and not a .xxx domain,
is this just going to affect adult sites that are run / hosted / owned in the USA,
I can as well as everyone else on the net use google image search (as well as other image search sites ) to find nude pic's if I want so will google need a xxx domain,
will all affiliates need xxx domains?
IMO there will be to many loop holes, problems, etc. to make everyone use a xxx domain. This just looks like 1 more reason to not have an adult site out of the USA. (a regulation that can not be regulated is a complete waist of time)

But I will do my part to help stop what is useless and xxx domains are completely useless
whats next - .bet (casino) or a ratings system for all websites .G, .PG, .PG-13, .NC-17, .xxx will do nothing other then help filter the Internet and really if people want to remove access from adult content from their Internet access, They can buy the software and filter it. http://www.cybersitter.com/ I think its $40,

great post from matthew
http://forum.icann.org/lists/xxx-icm.../msg00014.html

Hurrah for ICANN in reconsidering the .XXX proposal.

May I also suggest that ICANN consider a .REL sTLD for religious websites,
in order to ensure that we police the hateful and discriminatory nature of
many religious zealots, the breeding ground of terrorism. We need our
governments to control this area of speech also in order to ensure that we
are free to live without fear.

Also, a .VIO sTLD for violent content, to ensure that our children are not
exposed to the bloodshed and carnage seen currently in many films and online
websites.

While we're at it, let's create a .FRE sTLD to ensure that any "free speech"
is given a place also. That way, we can also police free speech to ensure
that any policital dissidence or differences of opinion are kept under
control.

Give me a break.

ICANN - while this proposal suggests that .XXX is "voluntary", it is
unnecessarily endangering the rights and liberties of consenting adults by
treating everyone as though they were children by paving the way for a
mandatory alternative. Shame on you all. Have you no sense of liberty?

Please refer to the wonderful work being done by ASCAP, FSC and others using
the RTA (Restricted to Adults) and BPA (Best Practice in Adult) labelling.
Mandating (perhaps by way of a G8 treaty, or similar) the labelling of
content unsuitable for minors (defined as persons under the age of 18 years)
at national government level in countries in the treaty is a far better
alternative. This would enable local governments to implement their laws as
they see fit, and ensure that concerned parents (who, by the way, should
educate their children on responsible choices, rather than "safe housing"
them) have yet another means of controlling content access.

The adult industry the world over has a solid track record of actively
working with government and police agencies to stamp out the terrible
actions of a very small minority (e.g. child pornography, deceptive
marketing practices). Case in point - the track record of those recently
examined by the FBI under the 2257 legislation. The vast majority of adult
content publishers are eager to ensure that children are protected from
inappropriate content, and their behaviour and responsible conduct in
compliance with the law demonstrates this. There is no profit incentive in
exposing children to this material.

Give us our liberties, and respect our rights. Leave your profit incentives
out of the free speech debate.

It's plain to see that ICANN's greedy grab for additional Internet
real-estate is a worst-case scenario for freedom of speech, common decency
and liberty alike.

Matthew




Fight the link challenged!

Email Just Sent to ICANN
 

Email sent to ICANN saying "I own thousands of adult domains and strongly feel that .xxx is NOT in any way wanted/needed by webmasters, and that all the comments at www.fightthedotxxx.com apply---please accept ALL those comments, as IMO they are the same opinions felt by many thousands of webmasters/owners/etc.

Do NOT let ICM fool you!!

Thanks,

Dave Cummings
www.davecummings.com "


Note: Of my present 6,400 domains, at least 3,000 are adult domains.

Dave

Confirmation Completed
 

I received and actioned the ICANN confirmation email.

Dave

I wish more articles would mention that we are opposed to this idea.

This article for example mentions the website http://www.fightthedotxxx.com/


http://www.blogherald.com/2007/01/06...posal-revived/

guess i need to update the website then LOL


Fight the one more thing to add to the to do list!

Bump for the cause!

sent mine.

and by the way, look what i've found:
http://forum.icann.org/lists/xxx-icm.../msg00018.html