Unfortunately you just can't keep a determined moron down. And sadly, that one message probably undoes the value of ten which are written more seriously. It's the kind of idiot thing which will stick in the minds of anyone who does skim through the messages and makes us all look like a bunch of kids who can safely be (and should be) ignored.

BTW it strikes me that while board nicks are the norm for us, using them in communications with an outside body creates the impression of people with something to hide. Some of the more outlandish handles could even go so far as to feed any anti-porn prejudice which already exists among those who read the messages.

It seems to me that if we are trying to convince a formally structured mainstream organisation that we are serious people who do not need outside controls, we should pay some attention to their sensibilities. Right now, we need something from them, not the other way around.

that WASNT me thanks. :warning

I like it. It make it harder for kids to accidentally stumble upon a bad website because of a spelling error.

posted.... they really need to kill this shit mane

who said it was you, it is signatured "DarkJedi", are you darkjedi ?

The mail is from Matthew Boyle, aka. scottybuzz…

Btw. I think just someone who is trying to frame scottybuzz.

http://forum.icann.org/lists/xxx-icm.../msg00023.html


:1orglaugh :1orglaugh

from ICM's website

http:// icmregistry.com/press.htm

Hymes, whats your stance on this? After leaving the fsc and now working for a company that benefits from this.
dont mean to put you on the forman grill here, but,

Just curious.

Duke

The reason this keeps comming back is $$. There is millions invested in .xxx funded by people you'd be utterly surprised if you found out who.
The silver bullet is having the billing companies stand up and say no, or at least dissuade it. At least thats one way. Sure, everyone should post on their open forum "cogently" i might add, but this isnt going to go away; too much money invested by too many of the "people behind the scenes" that want this to go through.
But it would be sweet if the billing companies stepped up. I dont see how this would hurt them if .xxx never appeared.
Being that it is not mandatory, even if passed, I still think we would have time depending on how far the laws in congress are moving along. It would also be sweet if we could find out who lobbied for it. That should be a matter of public record if im not mistaken. Dont quote me on that though. What we also need is our industry attornies to not support this, and publically. Is there a list of those who are for and against this? Including lawyers, program owners, old koots behind the scenes, etc?
I totally understand where they are comming from and have no malice or ill will towards them, I just feel "threatened." Heck, if I had a few mill invested in this I would be like a bad case of herpes myself. So we have to expect this NOT going away until we have a united front. How can we wage a campaign if we don't even know who it is we are waging it against. It's like playing a football team but they have on the same jerseys as you. You only get to see who they are when you see their face, and by that time you've already been picked off. We need to start making a list of "shirt and skins." You can only be united, if you know who you are united with, or against.
duke

no but my name is matthew boyle.

Some people don't understand real life I guess

Against it list - partial anyway.

I just submitted the following comments, and sent a similar letter to the ICANN Business Constituency of which my company is a member (www.bizconst.org if others might be interested in joining).

---- start comments ----------
Subject: Opposed to this .xxx application -- we have the cart before the horse

Hello,

ICANN should reject the ICM Registry application for .xxx. Although the application masquerades as a "sponsored TLD", it doesn't have the broad support of the adult community that it purports to represent, as can be seen by the prior comments at:

http://forum.icann.org/lists/xxx-tld-agreement/

with major organizations like Flynt Management Group opposing it:

http://www.icann.org/correspondence/...rd-30apr06.jpg

The WHOIS of iffor.org shows that it is registered to the same people behind the .xxx application, ICM Registry:

http://whois.domaintools.com/iffor.org

Registrant ID:iffor-R
Registrant Name:Lawley Stuart
Registrant Organization:A Technology Company, Inc.
Registrant Street1:53 McKayfield Road

The www.iffor.org website doesn't even list *any* members.

This is a case where we have the cart before the horse. If indeed there was a consensus amongst recognized adult industry members that a .xxx TLD is desirable, that would pass the basic test that there is a legitimate "sponsor". But the current application has things backwards, wanting the application to be approved first, and then theoretically building up a sponsoring organization later. Even further, the actual companies that would be affected by this application (and thus theoretically the main constituency of that future sponsoring organization) are actively *opposed* to its creation.

It would be akin to my company applying to run .bank as a sponsored TLD, and having myself create my own personal "sponsor" for it, totally ignoring all existing banking institutions and their desires. If approved, there'd be a windfall of cash for the registry operator, which is obviously the prime driver of the .xxx application.

In conclusion, while I support the concept of sponsored TLDs as the main route going forward for new TLDs, this application does not meet the definition in my opinion, as it lacks a true sponsor that is representative of industry consensus.
----- end comments ----------

ICANN's email system has a very poor implementation of "greylisting" (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greylisting ), which explains why it can take hours for the confirmation email to arrive, for those who submitted comments but don't see them in the web archive.

Hey Duke,
There is a list...i have spoken to at person that has this list of people in our business, who not only stand to make money that support it, and the ones that got paid money....the only reason that this person does not let this list fly, is for this reason, most that made that choice early on in the process of the .XXX had no clue the far reaching hurtful effects it could have on our business as a whole, and have changed there minds and wished they never supported this .XXX

I normaly keep my cool most of the time, but nothing makes me more angry than this group using "children" to sell a bad idea...and does not even have children of his own. Shame shame shame on you.....


Post a letter to ICANN.....

Bump....

Bump for a good cause.

Yet ANOTHER bump

One of the most important topics of the year

yeah of past year for sure.....

but unfortunately apparently of this year again too :(

Then protect your adult .com domains by commenting on .xxxs and how bad they are

Ok, few more thoughts.....

one of the letters sent to ICANN already mentions it, but nothing wrong in repeating.

So IMO the affiliate programs who opposed .xxx - some of them are listed at http://www.fightthedotxxx.com/ - f.e LightSpeed Cash, Payserve etc ( and many many more ) - they should just notify their affiliates in a newsletter about this subject and instruct them how to protest.

If enough companies did it, it would significantly increase the number of webmasters who will protest. Especially since many webmasters don't read boards at all...

excellent idea!

Assuming most affiliate programs oppose .xxx, this should be good for a few thousand emails.

Actually some surfers could be involved as well.

But Im afraid the programs will be too lazy to email their webmasters, mainly they won't know exactly what to say.

IMO they should first mention what this issue is all about, then explain the risks .xxx brings to us, then explain how to post comments on ICANN and perhaps offer a few different templates to chose from.

ah well, I can only propose such ideas here, someone else has to do it or to convince the program owners to do it

at the current rate only about 15 emails per day are posted to ICANN, and some of them are even in favor of .xxx

some aren't even from webmasters, and some ocassional ones - like this one, are even in favor of .xxx


this has to be the first guy though who claims to be an adult webmaster and wants .xxx


http://forum.icann.org/lists/xxx-icm.../msg00029.html

thank you for keeping us updated to this once again. I am still baffled by some comments and amazed that still some are thinking xxx is a good idea.

Added an article to bv expressing the main points of this thread and referencing some of the opinions.

http://www.businessvoyeur.com/2007-01-08/xxx-resurfaces


you can also digg it/add comments to the digg page to bring more attention to the cause
http://digg.com/tech_news/XXX_TLD_Revived

good idea. this HAS to be done.

i am with ya polish aristocrat.. program owners could email their affiliate to point to this thread, to http://www.FightTheDotXXX.com and get more people to post up.. the postings have been excellent on the most part.. alot of good thought going into them, instead of just .xxx sucks

but, there needs to be alot more... and even though it might be futile in the end, that ICANN is going to pass .XXX anyways, it matters to be counted as to what you believe (even if you think that .xxx is good).

So yes, affiliates, let your sponsors know how you feel about .xxx, and about how more affiliates need to get involved.. it is really the affiliates that lose with .XXX

think about it monetarily.. $60/domain per year.

People that have the most number of domains are usually affiliates.

Affiliates are the ones that are going to be taxed the most.. program owners have fewer domains, make good bank, they could afford the additional tax.

So there really needs to be more of showing from affiliates.

The companies listed on FightTheDotXXX.com are mainly programs, and everyone one of them can afford the .XXX tax, but they have made a public stand.

For all the free this, free that, that affiliates push from Sponsors, this is the time that you don't get a free ride. You need to get active.


Fight the call to arms!

Is it possible to get a thread stuck at the top where everyone, program owners included, can see this?

He's a TV camera operator and is not in adult (unless he shoots Human Toilet Bowls for Incredible Dollars).

He has U.S. Sewer & Drain Productions on his resume.

Email sent

ake stand on this issue. affiliates should be posting up.


Fight the bump!

I agree, program owners should be sending an email out to all their affiliates.

still can't believe this isn't stickied at least

Bump for a truly important issue--we need to rally BIG-TIME against .xxx.

:-((((

Dave

is playboy going to send a statement ?

to the top!!