Israeli Dissident - 'Let's Be Honest, The Problem Is Israel'

[Storm_Tracker]

http://www.icahd.org/eng/articles.as...=2&article=306


Your thoughts.....

[Splum]

Give me a break I can find Americans who say America is the problem. Israel has a right to the land they have, they lived there for thousands of years so did arabs but the United Nations GAVE that land to them so the arabs need to shut the fuck up.

[4Man]

Israel is problem anywhere.
They cause evry fuckin war on this planet.

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by Splum

Give me a break I can find Americans who say America is the problem. Israel has a right to the land they have, they lived there for thousands of years so did arabs but the United Nations GAVE that land to them so the arabs need to shut the fuck up.

History....

rewritten by SPLUM....

[Splum]

Originally Posted by directfiesta

History....

rewritten by SPLUM....

Its not rewritten its facts, something you know very little about.

The UN General Assembly approved the 1947 UN Partition Plan dividing the territory into two states, with the Jewish area consisting of roughly 55% of the land, and the Arab area roughly 45%. Jerusalem was planned to be an international region administered by the UN to avoid conflict over its status.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel

[Agent 488]

Originally Posted by Splum

Give me a break I can find Americans who say America is the problem. Israel has a right to the land they have, they lived there for thousands of years so did arabs but the United Nations GAVE that land to them so the arabs need to shut the fuck up.

and since when did you start thinking the united nations was a valid entity?

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by Splum

Its not rewritten its facts, something you know very little about.

Originally Posted by Splum

but the United Nations GAVE that land

United Nation GAVE nothing... You cannot give what you don't own...

Naturally, subtilities are obviously not your forte.... move on.

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by budsbabes

and since when did you start thinking the united nations was a valid entity?

When it fits his agenda ....

Wonder if he also supports the 66 resolutions against Israel

[Arab_Sex]

You mean the same united nations that runs child prostitution rings all over the world?

Originally Posted by Splum

Give me a break I can find Americans who say America is the problem. Israel has a right to the land they have, they lived there for thousands of years so did arabs but the United Nations GAVE that land to them so the arabs need to shut the fuck up.

[everestcash]

re-phrasing one famous guy i'd say that dissidents is the shit of the nation...

[Dollarmansteve]

Originally Posted by directfiesta

United Nation GAVE nothing... You cannot give what you don't own...

Naturally, subtilities are obviously not your forte.... move on.

wars decide who gets to keep what land. Israel won the wars, therefore they have the land.

Please point out any piece of land on earth that was not taken by force?

Im not arguing right or wrong here, just stating the cold, hard reality.

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by Dollarmansteve

wars decide who gets to keep what land. Israel won the wars, therefore they have the land.

Please point out any piece of land on earth that was not taken by force?

Im not arguing right or wrong here, just stating the cold, hard reality.

?????

fine.... I just corrected the erratic statement that the UN GAVE the land ....
Now, you want to go back to the time of Dinosaurs, be my guest, wont argue on that.

[Webby]

Originally Posted by Splum

Give me a break I can find Americans who say America is the problem. Israel has a right to the land they have, they lived there for thousands of years so did arabs but the United Nations GAVE that land to them so the arabs need to shut the fuck up.

And you are??

Assume from either of these two terrorist nations who have little clue to the meaning of "freedom and democracy", but kill and torture instead??

Let me guess - the more vocal and idiotic one?

[Dollarmansteve]

Originally Posted by directfiesta

?????

fine.... I just corrected the erratic statement that the UN GAVE the land ....
Now, you want to go back to the time of Dinosaurs, be my guest, wont argue on that.

One only needs to go back to the day Israel declared independence in 1948 and were attacked by the surrounding arab countries. Following that:

1956 - 1957 Suez war
1967 6-day war
1973 Yom Kippur war

In each of these conflicts Israel defended their territory (regardless if it was ill-gotten). These are the wars i was referring to. The arab countries surrounding Israel have tried and have as yet failed to reclaim the land.

It is pointless to argue whether it was valid for Israel to claim its independence, for nothing will change the fact that Israel exists. As long as they defend the land they will continue to exist. They may have been legislated into existence but they will not be legislated out of existence.

[Pleasurepays]

Originally Posted by Dollarmansteve

One only needs to go back to the day Israel declared independence in 1948 and were attacked by the surrounding arab countries. Following that:

1956 - 1957 Suez war
1967 6-day war
1973 Yom Kippur war

In each of these conflicts Israel defended their territory (regardless if it was ill-gotten). These are the wars i was referring to. The arab countries surrounding Israel have tried and have as yet failed to reclaim the land.

It is pointless to argue whether it was valid for Israel to claim its independence, for nothing will change the fact that Israel exists. As long as they defend the land they will continue to exist. They may have been legislated into existence but they will not be legislated out of existence.

WHOOAAAAA!!

wait wait wait wait.....


wait a minute.

stop.


time out!



in this type of discussion there are only two acceptable answers/viewpoints
"fuck jews/fuck america"
"fuck arabs/fuck islam"



answers not driven by an agenda, that are not making weak and senseless arguements about "right" and "wrong" are completely... totally and 100% unnacceptable!

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by Dollarmansteve

One only needs to go back to the day Israel declared independence in 1948 and were attacked by the surrounding arab countries. Following that:

1956 - 1957 Suez war
1967 6-day war
1973 Yom Kippur war

In each of these conflicts Israel defended their territory (regardless if it was ill-gotten). These are the wars i was referring to. The arab countries surrounding Israel have tried and have as yet failed to reclaim the land.

It is pointless to argue whether it was valid for Israel to claim its independence, for nothing will change the fact that Israel exists. As long as they defend the land they will continue to exist. They may have been legislated into existence but they will not be legislated out of existence.

All facts and true ...


What is scary, is that in 2006, you accept that war decided of territorial possession ...

So, the Arabs are ,by that reasoning, quite motivated in attacking and destroying Israel to take back the land ... and the world community should accept the outcome...

I have problems with that. The only solution is a political one, with compensation from and for both sides..

But I am going way to far here .....

[QuaWee]

Splum you sound like an idiot

[Pleasurepays]

Originally Posted by directfiesta

All facts and true ...


What is scary, is that in 2006, you accept that war decided of territorial possession ...

So, the Arabs are ,by that reasoning, quite motivated in attacking and destroying Israel to take back the land ... and the world community should accept the outcome...

... by your reasoning, in 2006, Arabs should shut the fuck up, stop launching rockets, stop suicide bombs, disband all their terrorist groups in palestinian areas, stop fueling hate and work towards a political solution TODAY?

I agree

... maybe they didn't get the memo.

[Lazonby]

Originally Posted by Storm_Tracker

Israeli Dissident - 'Let's Be Honest, The Problem Is Israel'

Porn Dissident - 'Let's Be Honest, The Problem Is Porn'

Democracy Dissident - 'Let's Be Honest, The Problem Is Democracy'

Wealth Dissident - 'Let's Be Honest, The Problem Is Wealth'

Health and wellbeing Dissident - 'Let's Be Honest, The Problem Is health and wellbeing'

And so on. Get the idea?

[Lazonby]

Looks like directfiesta is owning himself again. zzzZZZZzzzZZZzzzzZZZZzzzzZZ

[StarkReality]

I'm shocked how Israel handles the agression by terrorists...bombing half of Lebanon to the stone age and killing hundreds of innocent civilians is not an justfyable reaction !

It's not self defense, it's a crime !

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

... by your reasoning, in 2006, Arabs should shut the fuck up, stop launching rockets, stop suicide bombs, disband all their terrorist groups in palestinian areas, stop fueling hate and work towards a political solution TODAY?

I agree

... maybe they didn't get the memo.

Sorry, but you have a comprehension problem...

It was said, by DollarSteve, that Israel had won wars, so the land is theirs.
Fine.
Now, if the Arabs wage war on Israel, they could keep the land that they could win.. or loose land that they have ..

You need to stop looking at yourself in the mirror ... and read .. and comprehend...

Now, that in 2006/2007 we could be talking of war as a " land-grabber " tool is pretty sick.

[Shakula]

Originally Posted by Splum

Its not rewritten its facts, something you know very little about.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel

You sir are one stupid fuck, just like 12gayclicks.

with the Jewish area consisting of roughly 55% of the land

Before 1900 there where less then 15%.
Although after and during the WW2, jews where moving to palestinia just like flies move to dogshit.

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by Lazonby

Looks like directfiesta is owning himself again. zzzZZZZzzzZZZzzzzZZZZzzzzZZ

you didn't kill your self yet ????

OK, you destroyed all mirrors so that you couldn"t see your ugly fucking face...

BTW, please quote and explain, ya fucking avorted embryo....



Question: ever had pussy yet, or even cock ?

[DaddyHalbucks]

Originally Posted by Splum

Give me a break I can find Americans who say America is the problem. Israel has a right to the land they have, they lived there for thousands of years so did arabs but the United Nations GAVE that land to them so the arabs need to shut the fuck up.

I'd have to agree with that.

I used to be more sympathetic to the Palestinians, but now I am leaning towards the Israelis.

Osama Bin Laden's PR campaign has been an influence on me.

[Shakula]

In1840 there lives 12 000 jews in palestinia, these jews like most of the people in palestinia had arabic roots.

1882 a group of russian jews immigrated to palestinia, now the number was
24 000.

1881 - 1904 over 30 thousand jews moved to palestinia.

1904-1912 another 40 thousand jews moved to palestinia.

1922 - there was 83 907 jews in palestinia, 12,9% of the total population in palestinia

during 1920- the jews continued to move to palestinia ( a lot). voilence started.... 1929 - streetfight btw jews and palestinian, 133 jews died and 87 palestinians.

Btw 1930 and 1939 another 350 THOUSAND jews moved to palestinia.

The jewish extremistgroup (YES DONT THINK THE JEWS ARE BETTER WHEN IT COMES TO BOMBING) Sternligan killed the FN diplomat Folke Bernadotte (swedish).

When war world 2 was over, over 100 jews moved to palestinia.

The jewish extremistgroup Irgun blew up the british headquarter in king david hotel in jerusalem. 91 people died. 22 july 1946.


SO SPLUM, SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT, the books they give you in israel is about as true as bush speeches.
You dont know shit.

Your land belongs to someone else. Gypsyfuck!

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks

I used to be more sympathetic to the Palestinians,

you are a comedian ....

[_Richard_]

here's something to think about.. three boys from the fatah faction got gunned down.. everyone denys it, except isreal. nothing like this has happened before, except isreals "lack of data of possible collateral damage" or whatever spin they use, and everyone has nothing to gain from it, except isreal.

My money is that isreal is the cause.

Speaking of "ownership" the ottoman empire fell, into the hands of the british. So the british "owned" the land.

R

[Shakula]

Originally Posted by Mr.Sexbankroll

here's something to think about.. three boys from the fatah faction got gunned down.. everyone denys it, except isreal. nothing like this has happened before, except isreals "lack of data of possible collateral damage" or whatever spin they use, and everyone has nothing to gain from it, except isreal.

My money is that isreal is the cause.

Speaking of "ownership" the ottoman empire fell, into the hands of the british. So the british "owned" the land.

R

2 november 1917, the Balfour declaration was formed. Arthur balfour promissed the palestinians to get their own country AFTER THE WORLD WAR 1!

[Webby]

Israel is a nation which has broken all records in "occupying" another nation. During that time it has oppressed, tortured and abused the citizens of that country - and continues to do so today at every opportunity it gets.

At the same time, it licks the ass of the only country who would now support it. That ass is pretty clean from ass-licking, but has a it's own ulterior motives as to why it should give it's tax-payers money to support the State of Israel while each potentially elected individual feels it necessary to appear before an Israeli "lobby group" and explain their views on Israel before standing any chance of winning in a "demoratic election".

The US, for it's part, has drowned itself in "manipulators of public opinion" - that "opinion" bears little relation to reality and rarely contains any truth. In effect, dumbed down to a level even Goebbels would be proud of - and primed to be led any which way may be desired - even to the point of sending it's own troops into a war based on lies. (And, it's not the first war the sheep were led into).

The current "management" of Israel are, like the US, arrogant thugs, however Israel it "managing" it's less intelligent thug partner very well with blatant biase and propaganda within the US of a level only seen in the more extreme aspects of dictator states.

While "managing" it's less intelligent thug partner, that never stopped Israel in espionage, both conventional and commercial - and stealing off it's "friend".

Bottom line, got plenty respect for the Jewish people and events of the past "need" to be remembered - whether we like it or not. As for the Israeli government, - they are scum of the lowest order and little different from the scum within the US government. They both torture, abuse, murder and oppress others - and have done for decades - and would both whore their grandmother if the currency exchange was favorable.

On the part of the US - was there a clause in the constitution that allowed for other parties, other than the electorate and particularly from other nations, to open up offices and call themselves "lobby groups" to bribe and sway the elected government to act in their best interests?? Last I checked it was the electorate who decided this by voting. Perhaps not.

Neither the Israeli or US govt has an ounce of the claimed "beliefs" they elect to cherish - whether religious or otherwise. Like most "beliefs" where there is a need to emphasis - they are a sham presented to the world as a palatible face. Both faces needs washing - they are stinking filthy with rigor mortis already set in.

Now.. divert from the truth and talk shit about Arabs, gays, how evil North Korea is, Muslims, republicans, abortion rights, democrats and the cost of a hamburger - tho, doubt there's a clue on any of it - other than the cost of a hamburger.

[Lazonby]

Originally Posted by directfiesta

you didn't kill your self yet ????

OK, you destroyed all mirrors so that you couldn"t see your ugly fucking face...

BTW, please quote and explain, ya fucking avorted embryo....



Question: ever had pussy yet, or even cock ?

Yes I did kill myself. This is my ghost talking. And of course that is really me, you gullible inbred Frenchie token Jew-hating coward.

[DjSap]

Holy fuck, I had no idea we had so many tree hugging hippies on GFY.

Which country is the only in the region that has enjoys a western living standard while not having any oil resources? Israel made something out of nothing, while the rest of the region has been using oil resources to fund their countries, in 50 years Israel will still enjoy a high living standard while the other countries will have run out of oil and will go back to living in caves.

Like it or not, the Jews are culturally and intellectually superior to any other race or culture on earth. Israel isn't going anywhere so you better get used to it.

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by Lazonby

Yes I did kill myself. This is my ghost talking. And of course that is really me, you gullible inbred Frenchie token Jew-hating coward.

Ugly and Idiot ....

Want me to lend you a gun with a bullet ...


BTW, you could sue your parents.. there is sufficient evidence for a 7 figure compensation.

[Shakula]

Originally Posted by DjSap

Holy fuck, I had no idea we had so many tree hugging hippies on GFY.

Which country is the only in the region that has enjoys a western living standard while not having any oil resources? Israel made something out of nothing, while the rest of the region has been using oil resources to fund their countries, in 50 years Israel will still enjoy a high living standard while the other countries will have run out of oil and will go back to living in caves.

Like it or not, the Jews are culturally and intellectually superior to any other race or culture on earth. Israel isn't going anywhere so you better get used to it.

Here you come and try to be a smart-ass and win a few cheap points.
Then let me tell you, this will come as news too you, JEWS ARENT A RACE YOU FUCKING MORON.

Jewish culture is superior? HAHA. NO RELIGION IS SUPERIOR YOU STUPID DUMBFUCK. You only have to be a atheist and you are immediately superior to any religious fuck.

Israel is built on welfare and still.... Hitler might have killed 6 millions jews, but he also paid for israel.

[Pleasurepays]

Originally Posted by directfiesta

Sorry, but you have a comprehension problem...

It was said, by DollarSteve, that Israel had won wars, so the land is theirs.
Fine.
Now, if the Arabs wage war on Israel, they could keep the land that they could win.. or loose land that they have ..

You need to stop looking at yourself in the mirror ... and read .. and comprehend...

Now, that in 2006/2007 we could be talking of war as a " land-grabber " tool is pretty sick.

I have a comprehension problem? maybe. you seem to have a reality problem. he is calling it what it is. the wars did not happen last week. they happened 1/2 a century ago... just like another 1000 wars before them and 50 or so after them. so using your own logic that its sick in the year 2006, then you have to condemn arabs for their continued fighting and for trying to take back land... because afterall, to quote you... "thats sick"

[RFremont]

Originally Posted by Webby

Israel is a nation which has broken all records in "occupying" another nation. During that time it has oppressed, tortured and abused the citizens of that country - and continues to do so today at every opportunity it gets.

.

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117...rom=public_rss


"ALMOST 40 per cent of land held in Jewish settlements in the occupied West Bank is privately owned by Palestinians, according to a report published today by an Israeli watchdog group."

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...463450,00.html

[Webby]

Originally Posted by RFremont

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117...rom=public_rss


"ALMOST 40 per cent of land held in Jewish settlements in the occupied West Bank is privately owned by Palestinians, according to a report published today by an Israeli watchdog group."

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...463450,00.html

Suppose it is hardly a surprise - why not steal the property of their victims? The Third Reich had no hestitation thieving the personal property from camp victims - maybe the State of Israel got the clue from their history and thought it was a good idea.

It is sad that a nation created as a result of the terror, death and torture of it's people should resort to "occupy" what has become the largest refugee camp on the planet, then proceed along a path of internment camps and regularly engage in wiping out it's victims while placing obstacles to basic living conditions and medical aid.

Welcome to Israel's own private concentration camps - on other people's property.

Meanwhile, at another level, is a massive propaganda operation (both in Israel and particularly in the US and "managed" by Israel.) which spews more garbage that any trash truck could hold - lying and decieving in attempts to counter every detrimental report - even down to shrapnel counts (all were caused by someone else - never the IDF, especially when it comes to killing women and children) and disseminating amazing claims with little truth as to how progressive and wonderful Israel is, - they should be charged with spamming the net with false websites full of utter crap When the facts are checked - the whole scenario falls apart.

Even more bizarre is the concept that the State of Israel is supported at various levels, and fuelled by the US, which lays (again lying) claims to being a beacon for freedom and democracy. Again, disappointing, but nothing new - the US has and still does, support oppressive dictatorships which engage in torture and murder.

Prob not surprising that many people within Israel (and the US) are fully aware of the perverse conduct of their respective governments, and, on occasion become voices that are heard - tho not too often, - both governments have a lying capacity of 1000 lies/second, with the object of drowning the truth.

There are always smartass lying swamplife in any group - suppose countries are no different

[Kevsh]

Originally Posted by Dollarmansteve

1967 6-day war

Oh was that the war where Israel soldiers executed Egyptians in cold blood, and when a U.S. spy ship The Liberty was in the area they bombed and torpedoed it without mercy (even shooting life rafts and firing on defenseless victims in the water), out of fear the events may have been recorded?

Afterwards, Israel claimed it mistook the ship for the "enemy" - despite piles of evidence to the contrary - and after years of denying responsibility, then it being judged it owed millions to the victims, delayed paying as long as possible before giving a token amount when Carter shamelessly agreed to a buyout?

No, Israel isn't the cause of the world's problems but anyone with a brain knows they get away with atrocities that other countries would be condemned and held accountable for. That's what you get for having friends in high places, i.e. the U.S. government.

Really, is anyone even remotely surprised the Middle East people in general despise Israel and the U.S.? The truth is, the contempt is well-deserved.

[Phil]

Jews can't be wrong.. period. Gods people.. what the fuck??

[xNetworx]

Originally Posted by Kevsh

Oh was that the war where Israel soldiers executed Egyptians in cold blood, and when a U.S. spy ship The Liberty was in the area they bombed and torpedoed it without mercy (even shooting life rafts and firing on defenseless victims in the water), out of fear the events may have been recorded?

Afterwards, Israel claimed it mistook the ship for the "enemy" - despite piles of evidence to the contrary - and after years of denying responsibility, then it being judged it owed millions to the victims, delayed paying as long as possible before giving a token amount when Carter shamelessly agreed to a buyout?

No, Israel isn't the cause of the world's problems but anyone with a brain knows they get away with atrocities that other countries would be condemned and held accountable for. That's what you get for having friends in high places, i.e. the U.S. government.

Really, is anyone even remotely surprised the Middle East people in general despise Israel and the U.S.? The truth is, the contempt is well-deserved.

You ever been to Israel/Middle East or is this feeling based on shit you read online?

[xNetworx]

Originally Posted by CAMOKAT

Jews can't be wrong.. period. Gods people.. what the fuck??

[northboy]

too many al qaedas in this thread

[Tempest]

Originally Posted by Shakula

In1840 there lives 12 000 jews in palestinia, these jews like most of the people in palestinia had arabic roots.

1882 a group of russian jews immigrated to palestinia, now the number was
24 000.

1881 - 1904 over 30 thousand jews moved to palestinia.

1904-1912 another 40 thousand jews moved to palestinia.

1922 - there was 83 907 jews in palestinia, 12,9% of the total population in palestinia

during 1920- the jews continued to move to palestinia ( a lot). voilence started.... 1929 - streetfight btw jews and palestinian, 133 jews died and 87 palestinians.

Btw 1930 and 1939 another 350 THOUSAND jews moved to palestinia.

The jewish extremistgroup (YES DONT THINK THE JEWS ARE BETTER WHEN IT COMES TO BOMBING) Sternligan killed the FN diplomat Folke Bernadotte (swedish).

When war world 2 was over, over 100 jews moved to palestinia.

The jewish extremistgroup Irgun blew up the british headquarter in king david hotel in jerusalem. 91 people died. 22 july 1946.


SO SPLUM, SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT, the books they give you in israel is about as true as bush speeches.
You dont know shit.

Your land belongs to someone else. Gypsyfuck!

What land are you talking about? It's gone back and forth for 1000s of years now.

[Arab_Sex]

the Jews are culturally and intellectually superior to any other race or culture on earth? Not cool dude.

Originally Posted by DjSap

Holy fuck, I had no idea we had so many tree hugging hippies on GFY.

Which country is the only in the region that has enjoys a western living standard while not having any oil resources? Israel made something out of nothing, while the rest of the region has been using oil resources to fund their countries, in 50 years Israel will still enjoy a high living standard while the other countries will have run out of oil and will go back to living in caves.

Like it or not, the Jews are culturally and intellectually superior to any other race or culture on earth. Israel isn't going anywhere so you better get used to it.

[alexg]

i just ate a jelly doughnut...

[DjSap]

Originally Posted by Arab_Sex

the Jews are culturally and intellectually superior to any other race or culture on earth? Not cool dude.

Per capita they outshine any other group on earth. Look at Nobel prize winners, CEOs and other successful people, a huge disproportionate number of them will be Jewish.

[ADL Colin]

Originally Posted by Dollarmansteve

wars decide who gets to keep what land. Israel won the wars, therefore they have the land.

Please point out any piece of land on earth that was not taken by force?

Im not arguing right or wrong here, just stating the cold, hard reality.

I'm on your team.