Do SE's penalize sites hosted by SEO-optimized operations like gotwebhost.com? - GoFuckYourself.com

evulvmedia · 11-25-2006, 08:04 AM

I am a virgin SEO... anyone know if they penalize if they see a hosting or DNS IP from an operation like this?

StuartD · 11-25-2006, 08:05 AM

penalize an SEO-optimized operation?

I think that would be a bit ironic and kinda defeat the purpose, don't you think?

pocketkangaroo · 11-25-2006, 08:07 AM

No they don't.

evulvmedia · 11-25-2006, 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by StuartD

penalize an SEO-optimized operation?

I think that would be a bit ironic and kinda defeat the purpose, don't you think?

Not if Google, for instance, is trying to attack black hatters.

It seems reasonable that they could identify hosting operations that are built for Black Hat SEO and penalize sites that host with these companies.

DarkJedi · 11-25-2006, 08:09 AM

Yes

Stay away from Gotwebhost.com

Theo · 11-25-2006, 08:10 AM

apply logic and you have your answer.

polish_aristocrat · 11-25-2006, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by DarkJedi

Yes

Stay away from Gotwebhost.com

Sosa · 11-25-2006, 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by DarkJedi

Yes

Stay away from Gotwebhost.com

lol just saying that because you and baddog don't get along.

Machete_ · 11-25-2006, 08:31 AM

Gotwebhost is just a reseller, if you are serious about your business, get a real hosting company

evulvmedia · 11-25-2006, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by ebus_dk

Gotwebhost is just a reseller, if you are serious about your business, get a real hosting company

have a suggestion for seo hosting then?

Theo · 11-25-2006, 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Sosa

lol just saying that because you and baddog don't get along.

not true,they are best friends

Machete_ · 11-25-2006, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by evulvmedia

have a suggestion for seo hosting then?

www.Webair.com for premium service at entry level prices
www.flyingcroc.net for enterprice level service and prices

SmokeyTheBear · 11-25-2006, 09:16 AM

do they penalize gotwebs clients ? not that i noticed in any way. Could they potentially ? Yes . Could they potentially for any host ? Yes.

Machete_ · 11-25-2006, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

do they penalize gotwebs clients ? not that i noticed in any way. Could they potentially ? Yes . Could they potentially for any host ? Yes.

you are absolutely right. Unless you own your own IP-range, and your own servers, you can never be 100% sure. And good luck getting your own range of IP's if your only want to run websites on them, it is almost impossible to get without a good reason. And thank good for that.

evulvmedia · 11-25-2006, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

do they penalize gotwebs clients ? not that i noticed in any way. Could they potentially ? Yes . Could they potentially for any host ? Yes.

Thanks, Smokey... So if you were just starting an SEO effort now, would you host with an operation like gotwebhost.com or with a bunch of here-and-there hosting accounts with different providers?

The attraction of going with the gotwebhot.com thing is that a whole load of the sites can sit on a single server. And then I can run them off common global data, and dynamically update pages based on this inter-site database.

If I use separate here-and-there hosting, I have to send at least some of this data (in one way or another) to the individual accounts, and do some of the processing beforehand. That's a whole different format and software model.

Again, I am just starting out in this, so if there's something that I'm overlooking please point it out.

Tempest · 11-25-2006, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by evulvmedia

It seems reasonable that they could identify hosting operations that are built for Black Hat SEO and penalize sites that host with these companies.

ummm... just how would a hosting operation be built for "black hat seo"?

ANY hosting company can set you up with blocks of IPs in different C blocks. I know that because I've had it done.

I really think you're overthinking this unnecessarily. Google is more likely to catch you with your interlinking than with your hosting.

OzMan · 11-25-2006, 10:07 AM

Don't worry about it, the whole Google "Ban" department has been transferred to the "How the fuck we gonna make money off Youtube" department.

baddog · 11-25-2006, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by ebus_dk

you are absolutely right. Unless you own your own IP-range, and your own servers, you can never be 100% sure. And good luck getting your own range of IP's if your only want to run websites on them, it is almost impossible to get without a good reason. And thank good for that.

Just for the record, we do not ever share IP's. Any IP we assign our customers are theirs, and no one else's.

This goes for dedicated, VPS or virtual plans.

As far as the comment that you must have your own servers, if you are trying to imply that you will be penalized for having a virtual server, you are completely off base.

marko13 · 11-25-2006, 11:55 AM

bump for goos answers...

baddog · 11-25-2006, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by evulvmedia

Thanks, Smokey... So if you were just starting an SEO effort now, would you host with an operation like gotwebhost.com or with a bunch of here-and-there hosting accounts with different providers?

The attraction of going with the gotwebhot.com thing is that a whole load of the sites can sit on a single server. And then I can run them off common global data, and dynamically update pages based on this inter-site database.

If I use separate here-and-there hosting, I have to send at least some of this data (in one way or another) to the individual accounts, and do some of the processing beforehand. That's a whole different format and software model.

Again, I am just starting out in this, so if there's something that I'm overlooking please point it out.

This is one of the advantages of GotWebHost, another would be that rather than have to deal with 10 different bills, contacts, etc, you have it all at one place. Plus, our customer service would be pretty tough to top.

Jace · 11-25-2006, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by ebus_dk

Gotwebhost is just a reseller, if you are serious about your business, get a real hosting company

a lot of hosting companies are just "resellers"....even some of the ones people post day in and day out on GFY

hell, I know one hosting company in particular that posts about how they have a rock solid datacenter, when in fact all their boxes are sitting on another huge adult hosts racks....

baddog · 11-25-2006, 12:03 PM

Here is a little test you might find fun.

Go to Google, type in seo host or seo hosting, and click "I am feeling lucky."

Does it look like we are being penalized?

baddog · 11-25-2006, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Jace

a lot of hosting companies are just "resellers"....even some of the ones people post day in and day out on GFY

hell, I know one hosting company in particular that posts about how they have a rock solid datacenter, when in fact all their boxes are sitting on another huge adult hosts racks....

ebus doesn't know anything about our operation

Deej · 11-25-2006, 12:35 PM

I find it quite funny that the terms black hat and white hat (and even grey hat) were originally taken from this very comic strip from Mad magazine.

on another note, who can decipher that morse-like code on the bottom...

V_RocKs · 11-25-2006, 12:48 PM

Hmm...

Gotwebhost.com does NOT cater to black hat SEO and is actually setup for white hat SEO.

Webair on the other hand is well known for catering to everything evil including spammers.

SmokeyTheBear · 11-25-2006, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by evulvmedia

Thanks, Smokey... So if you were just starting an SEO effort now, would you host with an operation like gotwebhost.com or with a bunch of here-and-there hosting accounts with different providers?
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I would do both.. Gotwebhost saves you the trouble of having 5 virtual accounts on diff hosts , but that doesnt mean you need to toss away those other virtual accounts , just means you can now add 5 more into your loop.

Most se's including google evaluate your neighbourhood. so all were doing here is making that neighbourhood seem learger.

If you have 5 sep domains on 5 sep hosts your going to be better off than 5 sep ip ranges on gotwebhost but if you have 5 domain on 3 hosts your going to be better off with gotwebhost. Either way its a valuable thing to have at your disposal it saves costs and time

SmokeyTheBear · 11-25-2006, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by V_RocKs

Hmm...

Gotwebhost.com does NOT cater to black hat SEO and is actually setup for white hat SEO.

Webair on the other hand is well known for catering to everything evil including spammers.

theres no such thing as whitehat seo . all seo is against google's policy..

Deej · 11-25-2006, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

theres no such thing as whitehat seo . all seo is against google's policy..

Thats just stupid

Kimo · 11-25-2006, 12:55 PM

wow, i think the question answers itself lol

SmokeyTheBear · 11-25-2006, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Deej

Thats just stupid

google's policy or reality ?

BV · 11-25-2006, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Deej

I find it quite funny that the terms black hat and white hat (and even grey hat) were originally taken from this very comic strip from Mad magazine.

on another note, who can decipher that morse-like code on the bottom...

that was one of the few comic books i would read

that says: by prohias

baddog · 11-25-2006, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Deej

Thats just stupid

But it is the reality of the situation. Google wants everything to be organic. Will it ever happen? Not in our lifetime.

_Lush_ · 11-25-2006, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by OzMan

Don't worry about it, the whole Google "Ban" department has been transferred to the "How the fuck we gonna make money off Youtube" department.

Machete_ · 11-25-2006, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

Just for the record, we do not ever share IP's. Any IP we assign our customers are theirs, and no one else's.

This goes for dedicated, VPS or virtual plans.

As far as the comment that you must have your own servers, if you are trying to imply that you will be penalized for having a virtual server, you are completely off base.

I was replying to Smokey's comment about wanting to be 100% safe. And you can not assign a IP to anyone. If you have a IP range, you can let one of your customers use it exclusively, but you can not give it to them.

woj · 11-25-2006, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by OzMan

Don't worry about it, the whole Google "Ban" department has been transferred to the "How the fuck we gonna make money off Youtube" department.

Tempest · 11-25-2006, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Deej

I find it quite funny that the terms black hat and white hat (and even grey hat) were originally taken from this very comic strip from Mad magazine.

huh? I thought the whole concept was from the old western movies where the good guy always wore a white hat and the bad guy work a black one.

baddog · 11-25-2006, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by ebus_dk

If you have a IP range, you can let one of your customers use it exclusively, but you can not give it to them.

Some things are a given, aren't they?

baddog · 11-25-2006, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Tempest

huh? I thought the whole concept was from the old western movies where the good guy always wore a white hat and the bad guy work a black one.

I believe you are correct. I never heard of a Mad Magazine reference before.

rounders · 11-25-2006, 06:43 PM

where is flyingcroc's prices?

chaze · 11-25-2006, 07:15 PM

O.k. there is not so bright answers in here.

Simply put: If you try to trick the search engines by spreading your sites around multiple i.p.'s for the sake of boosting your ranking you can be penalized. But if your content is original for each site then you will most likly be fine.

Also keep in mind you don't have to pay more for this either, since you won't be penalized no matter of you have a reasonable amount of sites less then 200 with original content.

In fact the key is the content as far as not getting penalize.

Also keep in mind if they flag your site and check your network to see that you are using a SEO host to trick them YES you can get banned.

Moral of the story trying to trick Google is not worth the risk, your better off just focusing on original content and design. I know people who have got banned it sucks and all the major players that have high ranks and I know allot don't try to cheat.

http://www.google.com/search?hs=tWo&...ng&btnG=Search

We own adult-website-hosting.com and have been ranked for all the major adult hosting terms since 2002.

baddog · 11-25-2006, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by chaze

Also keep in mind if they flag your site and check your network to see that you are using a SEO host to trick them YES you can get banned.

You make this stuff up as you go, or do you have an instance you can prove that with?

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Deej I make pixels work Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: I live here... Posts: 24,386	I find it quite funny that the terms black hat and white hat (and even grey hat) were originally taken from this very comic strip from Mad magazine. on another note, who can decipher that morse-like code on the bottom... __________________ Deej's Designs n' What Not Hit me up for Design, CSS & Photo Retouching Icq#30096880

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pocketkangaroo Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 8,452	No they don't.

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DarkJedi No Refunds Issued. Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: GFY Posts: 28,300	Yes Stay away from Gotwebhost.com

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Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	apply logic and you have your answer.

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baddog So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: the beach, SoCal Posts: 107,089	Here is a little test you might find fun. Go to Google, type in seo host or seo hosting, and click "I am feeling lucky." Does it look like we are being penalized?

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V_RocKs Damn Right I Kiss Ass! Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Cowtown, USA Posts: 32,422	Hmm... Gotwebhost.com does NOT cater to black hat SEO and is actually setup for white hat SEO. Webair on the other hand is well known for catering to everything evil including spammers.

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11-25-2006, 07:15 PM	#40
chaze Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 9,752	O.k. there is not so bright answers in here. Simply put: If you try to trick the search engines by spreading your sites around multiple i.p.'s for the sake of boosting your ranking you can be penalized. But if your content is original for each site then you will most likly be fine. Also keep in mind you don't have to pay more for this either, since you won't be penalized no matter of you have a reasonable amount of sites less then 200 with original content. In fact the key is the content as far as not getting penalize. Also keep in mind if they flag your site and check your network to see that you are using a SEO host to trick them YES you can get banned. Moral of the story trying to trick Google is not worth the risk, your better off just focusing on original content and design. I know people who have got banned it sucks and all the major players that have high ranks and I know allot don't try to cheat. http://www.google.com/search?hs=tWo&...ng&btnG=Search We own adult-website-hosting.com and have been ranked for all the major adult hosting terms since 2002.