Do SE's penalize sites hosted by SEO-optimized operations like gotwebhost.com?

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  • evulvmedia
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    • Jun 2006
    • 441

    #1

    Do SE's penalize sites hosted by SEO-optimized operations like gotwebhost.com?

    I am a virgin SEO... anyone know if they penalize if they see a hosting or DNS IP from an operation like this?
  • StuartD
    Sofa King Band
    • Jul 2002
    • 29903

    #2
    penalize an SEO-optimized operation?

    I think that would be a bit ironic and kinda defeat the purpose, don't you think?
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    • pocketkangaroo
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      • Jan 2005
      • 8452

      #3
      No they don't.

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      • evulvmedia
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        • Jun 2006
        • 441

        #4
        Originally posted by StuartD
        penalize an SEO-optimized operation?

        I think that would be a bit ironic and kinda defeat the purpose, don't you think?
        Not if Google, for instance, is trying to attack black hatters.

        It seems reasonable that they could identify hosting operations that are built for Black Hat SEO and penalize sites that host with these companies.

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        • DarkJedi
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          • Feb 2001
          • 28301

          #5
          Yes

          Stay away from Gotwebhost.com

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          • Theo
            HAL 9000
            • May 2001
            • 34515

            #6
            apply logic and you have your answer.

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            • polish_aristocrat
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              • Jul 2002
              • 40377

              #7
              Originally posted by DarkJedi
              Yes

              Stay away from Gotwebhost.com
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              • Sosa
                In Tushy Land
                • Oct 2002
                • 40149

                #8
                Originally posted by DarkJedi
                Yes

                Stay away from Gotwebhost.com
                lol just saying that because you and baddog don't get along.

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                • Machete_
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                  • Oct 2002
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                  #9
                  Gotwebhost is just a reseller, if you are serious about your business, get a real hosting company

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                  • evulvmedia
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                    • Jun 2006
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by ebus_dk
                    Gotwebhost is just a reseller, if you are serious about your business, get a real hosting company
                    have a suggestion for seo hosting then?

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                    • Theo
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                      • May 2001
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Sosa
                      lol just saying that because you and baddog don't get along.

                      not true,they are best friends

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                      • Machete_
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                        • Oct 2002
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                        #12
                        Originally posted by evulvmedia
                        have a suggestion for seo hosting then?
                        www.Webair.com for premium service at entry level prices
                        www.flyingcroc.net for enterprice level service and prices

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                        • SmokeyTheBear
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                          • Jun 2004
                          • 28609

                          #13
                          do they penalize gotwebs clients ? not that i noticed in any way. Could they potentially ? Yes . Could they potentially for any host ? Yes.
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                          • Machete_
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear
                            do they penalize gotwebs clients ? not that i noticed in any way. Could they potentially ? Yes . Could they potentially for any host ? Yes.

                            you are absolutely right. Unless you own your own IP-range, and your own servers, you can never be 100% sure. And good luck getting your own range of IP's if your only want to run websites on them, it is almost impossible to get without a good reason. And thank good for that.

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                            • evulvmedia
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                              #15
                              Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear
                              do they penalize gotwebs clients ? not that i noticed in any way. Could they potentially ? Yes . Could they potentially for any host ? Yes.
                              Thanks, Smokey... So if you were just starting an SEO effort now, would you host with an operation like gotwebhost.com or with a bunch of here-and-there hosting accounts with different providers?

                              The attraction of going with the gotwebhot.com thing is that a whole load of the sites can sit on a single server. And then I can run them off common global data, and dynamically update pages based on this inter-site database.

                              If I use separate here-and-there hosting, I have to send at least some of this data (in one way or another) to the individual accounts, and do some of the processing beforehand. That's a whole different format and software model.

                              Again, I am just starting out in this, so if there's something that I'm overlooking please point it out.

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                              • Tempest
                                Too lazy to set a custom title
                                • May 2004
                                • 10217

                                #16
                                Originally posted by evulvmedia
                                It seems reasonable that they could identify hosting operations that are built for Black Hat SEO and penalize sites that host with these companies.
                                ummm... just how would a hosting operation be built for "black hat seo"?

                                ANY hosting company can set you up with blocks of IPs in different C blocks. I know that because I've had it done.

                                I really think you're overthinking this unnecessarily. Google is more likely to catch you with your interlinking than with your hosting.

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                                • OzMan
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                                  • Sep 2003
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                                  #17
                                  Don't worry about it, the whole Google "Ban" department has been transferred to the "How the fuck we gonna make money off Youtube" department.

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                                  • baddog
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                                    • Apr 2001
                                    • 107089

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by ebus_dk
                                    you are absolutely right. Unless you own your own IP-range, and your own servers, you can never be 100% sure. And good luck getting your own range of IP's if your only want to run websites on them, it is almost impossible to get without a good reason. And thank good for that.

                                    Just for the record, we do not ever share IP's. Any IP we assign our customers are theirs, and no one else's.

                                    This goes for dedicated, VPS or virtual plans.

                                    As far as the comment that you must have your own servers, if you are trying to imply that you will be penalized for having a virtual server, you are completely off base.

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                                    • marko13
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                                      • Apr 2004
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                                      #19
                                      bump for goos answers...
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                                      • baddog
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                                        • Apr 2001
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                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by evulvmedia
                                        Thanks, Smokey... So if you were just starting an SEO effort now, would you host with an operation like gotwebhost.com or with a bunch of here-and-there hosting accounts with different providers?

                                        The attraction of going with the gotwebhot.com thing is that a whole load of the sites can sit on a single server. And then I can run them off common global data, and dynamically update pages based on this inter-site database.

                                        If I use separate here-and-there hosting, I have to send at least some of this data (in one way or another) to the individual accounts, and do some of the processing beforehand. That's a whole different format and software model.

                                        Again, I am just starting out in this, so if there's something that I'm overlooking please point it out.
                                        This is one of the advantages of GotWebHost, another would be that rather than have to deal with 10 different bills, contacts, etc, you have it all at one place. Plus, our customer service would be pretty tough to top.

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                                        • Jace
                                          FBOP Class Of 2013
                                          • Jan 2004
                                          • 35562

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by ebus_dk
                                          Gotwebhost is just a reseller, if you are serious about your business, get a real hosting company
                                          a lot of hosting companies are just "resellers"....even some of the ones people post day in and day out on GFY

                                          hell, I know one hosting company in particular that posts about how they have a rock solid datacenter, when in fact all their boxes are sitting on another huge adult hosts racks....

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                                          • baddog
                                            So Fucking Banned
                                            • Apr 2001
                                            • 107089

                                            #22
                                            Here is a little test you might find fun.

                                            Go to Google, type in seo host or seo hosting, and click "I am feeling lucky."

                                            Does it look like we are being penalized?

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                                            • baddog
                                              So Fucking Banned
                                              • Apr 2001
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                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by Jace
                                              a lot of hosting companies are just "resellers"....even some of the ones people post day in and day out on GFY

                                              hell, I know one hosting company in particular that posts about how they have a rock solid datacenter, when in fact all their boxes are sitting on another huge adult hosts racks....
                                              ebus doesn't know anything about our operation

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                                              • Deej
                                                I make pixels work
                                                • Jun 2005
                                                • 24386

                                                #24
                                                I find it quite funny that the terms black hat and white hat (and even grey hat) were originally taken from this very comic strip from Mad magazine.



                                                on another note, who can decipher that morse-like code on the bottom...

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                                                • V_RocKs
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                                                  • Nov 2003
                                                  • 32448

                                                  #25
                                                  Hmm...

                                                  Gotwebhost.com does NOT cater to black hat SEO and is actually setup for white hat SEO.

                                                  Webair on the other hand is well known for catering to everything evil including spammers.

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                                                  • SmokeyTheBear
                                                    ►SouthOfHeaven
                                                    • Jun 2004
                                                    • 28609

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by evulvmedia
                                                    Thanks, Smokey... So if you were just starting an SEO effort now, would you host with an operation like gotwebhost.com or with a bunch of here-and-there hosting accounts with different providers?
                                                    .
                                                    I would do both.. Gotwebhost saves you the trouble of having 5 virtual accounts on diff hosts , but that doesnt mean you need to toss away those other virtual accounts , just means you can now add 5 more into your loop.

                                                    Most se's including google evaluate your neighbourhood. so all were doing here is making that neighbourhood seem learger.

                                                    If you have 5 sep domains on 5 sep hosts your going to be better off than 5 sep ip ranges on gotwebhost but if you have 5 domain on 3 hosts your going to be better off with gotwebhost. Either way its a valuable thing to have at your disposal it saves costs and time
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                                                    • SmokeyTheBear
                                                      ►SouthOfHeaven
                                                      • Jun 2004
                                                      • 28609

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by V_RocKs
                                                      Hmm...

                                                      Gotwebhost.com does NOT cater to black hat SEO and is actually setup for white hat SEO.

                                                      Webair on the other hand is well known for catering to everything evil including spammers.
                                                      theres no such thing as whitehat seo . all seo is against google's policy..
                                                      hatisblack at yahoo.com

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                                                      • Deej
                                                        I make pixels work
                                                        • Jun 2005
                                                        • 24386

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear
                                                        theres no such thing as whitehat seo . all seo is against google's policy..
                                                        Thats just stupid

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                                                        • Kimo
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                                                          • Jan 2006
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                                                          #29
                                                          wow, i think the question answers itself lol
                                                          ...

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                                                          • SmokeyTheBear
                                                            ►SouthOfHeaven
                                                            • Jun 2004
                                                            • 28609

                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by Deej
                                                            Thats just stupid
                                                            google's policy or reality ?
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                                                            • BV
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                                                              • Sep 2001
                                                              • 10914

                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by Deej
                                                              I find it quite funny that the terms black hat and white hat (and even grey hat) were originally taken from this very comic strip from Mad magazine.



                                                              on another note, who can decipher that morse-like code on the bottom...
                                                              that was one of the few comic books i would read

                                                              that says: by prohias

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                                                              • baddog
                                                                So Fucking Banned
                                                                • Apr 2001
                                                                • 107089

                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by Deej
                                                                Thats just stupid
                                                                But it is the reality of the situation. Google wants everything to be organic. Will it ever happen? Not in our lifetime.

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                                                                • _Lush_
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                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by OzMan
                                                                  Don't worry about it, the whole Google "Ban" department has been transferred to the "How the fuck we gonna make money off Youtube" department.
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                                                                  • Machete_
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                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by baddog
                                                                    Just for the record, we do not ever share IP's. Any IP we assign our customers are theirs, and no one else's.

                                                                    This goes for dedicated, VPS or virtual plans.

                                                                    As far as the comment that you must have your own servers, if you are trying to imply that you will be penalized for having a virtual server, you are completely off base.
                                                                    I was replying to Smokey's comment about wanting to be 100% safe. And you can not assign a IP to anyone. If you have a IP range, you can let one of your customers use it exclusively, but you can not give it to them.

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                                                                    • woj
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                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by OzMan
                                                                      Don't worry about it, the whole Google "Ban" department has been transferred to the "How the fuck we gonna make money off Youtube" department.
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                                                                      • Tempest
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                                                                        • May 2004
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                                                                        #36
                                                                        Originally posted by Deej
                                                                        I find it quite funny that the terms black hat and white hat (and even grey hat) were originally taken from this very comic strip from Mad magazine.
                                                                        huh? I thought the whole concept was from the old western movies where the good guy always wore a white hat and the bad guy work a black one.

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                                                                        • baddog
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                                                                          • Apr 2001
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                                                                          #37
                                                                          Originally posted by ebus_dk
                                                                          If you have a IP range, you can let one of your customers use it exclusively, but you can not give it to them.
                                                                          Some things are a given, aren't they?

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                                                                          • baddog
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                                                                            • Apr 2001
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                                                                            #38
                                                                            Originally posted by Tempest
                                                                            huh? I thought the whole concept was from the old western movies where the good guy always wore a white hat and the bad guy work a black one.
                                                                            I believe you are correct. I never heard of a Mad Magazine reference before.

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                                                                            • rounders
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                                                                              #39
                                                                              where is flyingcroc's prices?
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                                                                              • chaze
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                                                                                • Aug 2002
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                                                                                #40
                                                                                O.k. there is not so bright answers in here.

                                                                                Simply put: If you try to trick the search engines by spreading your sites around multiple i.p.'s for the sake of boosting your ranking you can be penalized. But if your content is original for each site then you will most likly be fine.

                                                                                Also keep in mind you don't have to pay more for this either, since you won't be penalized no matter of you have a reasonable amount of sites less then 200 with original content.

                                                                                In fact the key is the content as far as not getting penalize.

                                                                                Also keep in mind if they flag your site and check your network to see that you are using a SEO host to trick them YES you can get banned.

                                                                                Moral of the story trying to trick Google is not worth the risk, your better off just focusing on original content and design. I know people who have got banned it sucks and all the major players that have high ranks and I know allot don't try to cheat.

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                                                                                • baddog
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                                                                                  • Apr 2001
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                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  Originally posted by chaze
                                                                                  Also keep in mind if they flag your site and check your network to see that you are using a SEO host to trick them YES you can get banned.
                                                                                  You make this stuff up as you go, or do you have an instance you can prove that with?

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