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evulvmedia 11-25-2006 08:04 AM

Do SE's penalize sites hosted by SEO-optimized operations like gotwebhost.com?
 
I am a virgin SEO... anyone know if they penalize if they see a hosting or DNS IP from an operation like this?

StuartD 11-25-2006 08:05 AM

penalize an SEO-optimized operation?

I think that would be a bit ironic and kinda defeat the purpose, don't you think?

pocketkangaroo 11-25-2006 08:07 AM

No they don't.

evulvmedia 11-25-2006 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by StuartD (Post 11389583)
penalize an SEO-optimized operation?

I think that would be a bit ironic and kinda defeat the purpose, don't you think?

Not if Google, for instance, is trying to attack black hatters.

It seems reasonable that they could identify hosting operations that are built for Black Hat SEO and penalize sites that host with these companies.

DarkJedi 11-25-2006 08:09 AM

Yes

Stay away from Gotwebhost.com

Theo 11-25-2006 08:10 AM

apply logic and you have your answer.

polish_aristocrat 11-25-2006 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by DarkJedi (Post 11389594)
Yes

Stay away from Gotwebhost.com

:1orglaugh

Sosa 11-25-2006 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by DarkJedi (Post 11389594)
Yes

Stay away from Gotwebhost.com

lol just saying that because you and baddog don't get along.

Machete_ 11-25-2006 08:31 AM

Gotwebhost is just a reseller, if you are serious about your business, get a real hosting company

evulvmedia 11-25-2006 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by ebus_dk (Post 11389684)
Gotwebhost is just a reseller, if you are serious about your business, get a real hosting company

have a suggestion for seo hosting then?

Theo 11-25-2006 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Sosa (Post 11389617)
lol just saying that because you and baddog don't get along.


not true,they are best friends

Machete_ 11-25-2006 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by evulvmedia (Post 11389689)
have a suggestion for seo hosting then?

www.Webair.com for premium service at entry level prices
www.flyingcroc.net for enterprice level service and prices

SmokeyTheBear 11-25-2006 09:16 AM

do they penalize gotwebs clients ? not that i noticed in any way. Could they potentially ? Yes . Could they potentially for any host ? Yes.

Machete_ 11-25-2006 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear (Post 11389826)
do they penalize gotwebs clients ? not that i noticed in any way. Could they potentially ? Yes . Could they potentially for any host ? Yes.


you are absolutely right. Unless you own your own IP-range, and your own servers, you can never be 100% sure. And good luck getting your own range of IP's if your only want to run websites on them, it is almost impossible to get without a good reason. And thank good for that.

evulvmedia 11-25-2006 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear (Post 11389826)
do they penalize gotwebs clients ? not that i noticed in any way. Could they potentially ? Yes . Could they potentially for any host ? Yes.

Thanks, Smokey... So if you were just starting an SEO effort now, would you host with an operation like gotwebhost.com or with a bunch of here-and-there hosting accounts with different providers?

The attraction of going with the gotwebhot.com thing is that a whole load of the sites can sit on a single server. And then I can run them off common global data, and dynamically update pages based on this inter-site database.

If I use separate here-and-there hosting, I have to send at least some of this data (in one way or another) to the individual accounts, and do some of the processing beforehand. That's a whole different format and software model.

Again, I am just starting out in this, so if there's something that I'm overlooking please point it out.

Tempest 11-25-2006 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by evulvmedia (Post 11389588)
It seems reasonable that they could identify hosting operations that are built for Black Hat SEO and penalize sites that host with these companies.

ummm... just how would a hosting operation be built for "black hat seo"?

ANY hosting company can set you up with blocks of IPs in different C blocks. I know that because I've had it done.

I really think you're overthinking this unnecessarily. Google is more likely to catch you with your interlinking than with your hosting.

OzMan 11-25-2006 10:07 AM

Don't worry about it, the whole Google "Ban" department has been transferred to the "How the fuck we gonna make money off Youtube" department. :thumbsup

baddog 11-25-2006 11:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ebus_dk (Post 11389845)
you are absolutely right. Unless you own your own IP-range, and your own servers, you can never be 100% sure. And good luck getting your own range of IP's if your only want to run websites on them, it is almost impossible to get without a good reason. And thank good for that.


Just for the record, we do not ever share IP's. Any IP we assign our customers are theirs, and no one else's.

This goes for dedicated, VPS or virtual plans.

As far as the comment that you must have your own servers, if you are trying to imply that you will be penalized for having a virtual server, you are completely off base.

marko13 11-25-2006 11:55 AM

bump for goos answers...

baddog 11-25-2006 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by evulvmedia (Post 11389871)
Thanks, Smokey... So if you were just starting an SEO effort now, would you host with an operation like gotwebhost.com or with a bunch of here-and-there hosting accounts with different providers?

The attraction of going with the gotwebhot.com thing is that a whole load of the sites can sit on a single server. And then I can run them off common global data, and dynamically update pages based on this inter-site database.

If I use separate here-and-there hosting, I have to send at least some of this data (in one way or another) to the individual accounts, and do some of the processing beforehand. That's a whole different format and software model.

Again, I am just starting out in this, so if there's something that I'm overlooking please point it out.

This is one of the advantages of GotWebHost, another would be that rather than have to deal with 10 different bills, contacts, etc, you have it all at one place. Plus, our customer service would be pretty tough to top. :)

Jace 11-25-2006 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by ebus_dk (Post 11389684)
Gotwebhost is just a reseller, if you are serious about your business, get a real hosting company

a lot of hosting companies are just "resellers"....even some of the ones people post day in and day out on GFY

hell, I know one hosting company in particular that posts about how they have a rock solid datacenter, when in fact all their boxes are sitting on another huge adult hosts racks....

baddog 11-25-2006 12:03 PM

Here is a little test you might find fun.

Go to Google, type in seo host or seo hosting, and click "I am feeling lucky."

Does it look like we are being penalized?

baddog 11-25-2006 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Jace (Post 11390648)
a lot of hosting companies are just "resellers"....even some of the ones people post day in and day out on GFY

hell, I know one hosting company in particular that posts about how they have a rock solid datacenter, when in fact all their boxes are sitting on another huge adult hosts racks....

ebus doesn't know anything about our operation

Deej 11-25-2006 12:35 PM

I find it quite funny that the terms black hat and white hat (and even grey hat) were originally taken from this very comic strip from Mad magazine.

http://www.comic-mint.com/media/clie...n-1965-top.JPG

on another note, who can decipher that morse-like code on the bottom...

V_RocKs 11-25-2006 12:48 PM

Hmm...

Gotwebhost.com does NOT cater to black hat SEO and is actually setup for white hat SEO.

Webair on the other hand is well known for catering to everything evil including spammers.

SmokeyTheBear 11-25-2006 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by evulvmedia (Post 11389871)
Thanks, Smokey... So if you were just starting an SEO effort now, would you host with an operation like gotwebhost.com or with a bunch of here-and-there hosting accounts with different providers?
.

I would do both.. Gotwebhost saves you the trouble of having 5 virtual accounts on diff hosts , but that doesnt mean you need to toss away those other virtual accounts , just means you can now add 5 more into your loop. :)

Most se's including google evaluate your neighbourhood. so all were doing here is making that neighbourhood seem learger.

If you have 5 sep domains on 5 sep hosts your going to be better off than 5 sep ip ranges on gotwebhost but if you have 5 domain on 3 hosts your going to be better off with gotwebhost. Either way its a valuable thing to have at your disposal it saves costs and time

SmokeyTheBear 11-25-2006 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by V_RocKs (Post 11390840)
Hmm...

Gotwebhost.com does NOT cater to black hat SEO and is actually setup for white hat SEO.

Webair on the other hand is well known for catering to everything evil including spammers.

theres no such thing as whitehat seo . all seo is against google's policy..

Deej 11-25-2006 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear (Post 11390860)
theres no such thing as whitehat seo . all seo is against google's policy..

Thats just stupid

Kimo 11-25-2006 12:55 PM

wow, i think the question answers itself lol

SmokeyTheBear 11-25-2006 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Deej (Post 11390869)
Thats just stupid

google's policy or reality ?

BV 11-25-2006 12:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deej (Post 11390804)
I find it quite funny that the terms black hat and white hat (and even grey hat) were originally taken from this very comic strip from Mad magazine.

http://www.comic-mint.com/media/clie...n-1965-top.JPG

on another note, who can decipher that morse-like code on the bottom...

that was one of the few comic books i would read

that says: by prohias

baddog 11-25-2006 01:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deej (Post 11390869)
Thats just stupid

But it is the reality of the situation. Google wants everything to be organic. Will it ever happen? Not in our lifetime. :)

_Lush_ 11-25-2006 04:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OzMan (Post 11390010)
Don't worry about it, the whole Google "Ban" department has been transferred to the "How the fuck we gonna make money off Youtube" department. :thumbsup

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Machete_ 11-25-2006 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by baddog (Post 11390614)
Just for the record, we do not ever share IP's. Any IP we assign our customers are theirs, and no one else's.

This goes for dedicated, VPS or virtual plans.

As far as the comment that you must have your own servers, if you are trying to imply that you will be penalized for having a virtual server, you are completely off base.

I was replying to Smokey's comment about wanting to be 100% safe. And you can not assign a IP to anyone. If you have a IP range, you can let one of your customers use it exclusively, but you can not give it to them.

woj 11-25-2006 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OzMan (Post 11390010)
Don't worry about it, the whole Google "Ban" department has been transferred to the "How the fuck we gonna make money off Youtube" department. :thumbsup

:1orglaugh

Tempest 11-25-2006 05:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deej (Post 11390804)
I find it quite funny that the terms black hat and white hat (and even grey hat) were originally taken from this very comic strip from Mad magazine.

huh? I thought the whole concept was from the old western movies where the good guy always wore a white hat and the bad guy work a black one.

baddog 11-25-2006 05:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ebus_dk (Post 11392106)
If you have a IP range, you can let one of your customers use it exclusively, but you can not give it to them.

Some things are a given, aren't they?

baddog 11-25-2006 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Tempest (Post 11392306)
huh? I thought the whole concept was from the old western movies where the good guy always wore a white hat and the bad guy work a black one.

I believe you are correct. I never heard of a Mad Magazine reference before.

rounders 11-25-2006 06:43 PM

where is flyingcroc's prices?

chaze 11-25-2006 07:15 PM

O.k. there is not so bright answers in here.

Simply put: If you try to trick the search engines by spreading your sites around multiple i.p.'s for the sake of boosting your ranking you can be penalized. But if your content is original for each site then you will most likly be fine.

Also keep in mind you don't have to pay more for this either, since you won't be penalized no matter of you have a reasonable amount of sites less then 200 with original content.

In fact the key is the content as far as not getting penalize.

Also keep in mind if they flag your site and check your network to see that you are using a SEO host to trick them YES you can get banned.

Moral of the story trying to trick Google is not worth the risk, your better off just focusing on original content and design. I know people who have got banned it sucks and all the major players that have high ranks and I know allot don't try to cheat.

http://www.google.com/search?hs=tWo&...ng&btnG=Search

We own adult-website-hosting.com and have been ranked for all the major adult hosting terms since 2002. :thumbsup

baddog 11-25-2006 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by chaze (Post 11393111)
Also keep in mind if they flag your site and check your network to see that you are using a SEO host to trick them YES you can get banned.

You make this stuff up as you go, or do you have an instance you can prove that with?


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