How important to you is... (BIZ) - GoFuckYourself.com

jact · 11-23-2006, 04:35 PM

How important is it to you that every click you send to a sponsor matters? How important is it for those hits not being hijacked, sponsors not shaving hits/sales? How important is it that a "glitch" doesn't suddenly stop counting your hits?

As an affiliate, I'd think we'd want to make every hit count, no?

What steps would you be willing to take to ensure that you got your fair share?

shekinah · 11-23-2006, 04:54 PM

It's very important in life these days...that's all

XxXotic · 11-23-2006, 05:36 PM

muy importante

2HousePlague · 11-23-2006, 05:43 PM

Of course it matters. Just think how absurd it would be to ask a cattle rancher if every head of cattle matters, or a baker if every cupcake matters, or a fisherman if every lobster matters, or a bricklayer if every brick matters. Because it's all still "so new", online business has been tolerating a great deal of fuzziness that would be considered madness in almost every other kind of business. Clicks and impressions are a webmaster's basic inventory. Be concerned about accuracy and precision. Demand the same commitment from those with whom you do business. There is no gray area. It hurts us if we allow there to be.

2hp

jact · 11-23-2006, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by 2HousePlague

Of course it matters. Just think how absurd it would be to ask a cattle rancher if every head of cattle matters, or a baker if every cupcake matters, or a fisherman if every lobster matters, or a bricklayer if every brick matters. Because it's all still "so new", online business has been tolerating a great deal of fuzziness that would be considered madness in almost every other kind of business. Clicks and impressions are a webmaster's basic inventory. Be concerned about accuracy and precision. Demand the same commitment from those with whom you do business. There is no gray area. It hurts us if we allow there to be.

2hp

So what would you be willing to do to make sure that it mattered? What if it involved a little more work? Would you go the extra mile?

2HousePlague · 11-23-2006, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by jact

So what would you be willing to do to make sure that it mattered? What if it involved a little more work? Would you go the extra mile?

Brother, I have gone that extra mile, believe you me.

2hp

jact · 11-23-2006, 08:57 PM

Over 100 views, and this few replies? This really has become a surfer board.

sniperwolf · 11-23-2006, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by jact

Over 100 views, and this few replies? This really has become a surfer board.

lol..

looks like some people are just tired of typing..

Wiggles · 11-23-2006, 10:44 PM

money is important, thats why clicks are therefore important.

OG LennyT · 11-23-2006, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by jact

Over 100 views, and this few replies? This really has become a surfer board.

see response #2

fucking outsourced posters

to answer your question, yes it is very important that all clicks are tracked and I can tell the sponsors that spend more time/money with their backend, tracking my clicks.

MaddCaz · 11-23-2006, 10:50 PM

every SINGLE hit count!

The Sultan Of Smut · 11-23-2006, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by jact

Over 100 views, and this few replies? This really has become a surfer board.

Not surfer, lurker. luuuuuurker

baddog · 11-23-2006, 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by jact

Over 100 views, and this few replies? This really has become a surfer board.

You have to realize that GFY has a lot more lurkers than posters.

When I post business threads (ie: the program for sale) it is for the benefit of the lurkers more than the everyday sigwhore.

If you were posting a solution, with a way to contact you, you would see the difference.

Kimo · 11-23-2006, 11:37 PM

every penny counts

jact · 11-24-2006, 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by baddog

You have to realize that GFY has a lot more lurkers than posters.

When I post business threads (ie: the program for sale) it is for the benefit of the lurkers more than the everyday sigwhore.

If you were posting a solution, with a way to contact you, you would see the difference.

I have a solution, at least, I think I do. I guess we'll see soon enough

rounders · 11-24-2006, 01:02 AM

money is important, every penny counts

martinsc · 11-24-2006, 06:49 AM

every hit counts... i try to make sure that every click goes, where it is supposed to go....

E$_manager · 11-24-2006, 07:00 AM

It is very imposrtant. and very sad when it is not that way.
Nothing but a letter to the sponsor can come to my mind. May be there is some way? Don't know.

Klen · 11-24-2006, 07:07 AM

Every hit is important.Every hit should bring money.Sometime where is no sales and a lot of clicks is better to concetrate on ppc.

marketsmart · 11-24-2006, 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Kimo

every penny counts

yeah it sure does

pink_in_the_middle · 11-24-2006, 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by jact

I have a solution, at least, I think I do. I guess we'll see soon enough

What do you have in mind?

jayeff · 11-24-2006, 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by jact

So what would you be willing to do to make sure that it mattered? What if it involved a little more work? Would you go the extra mile?

Netflix lost a class-action suit because they were proven to throttle the supposedly unlimited supply of movies to which their subscribers were entitled. So they changed their TOS. They still limit the number of movies which anyone can receive, but now they do it legally.

The point being that the main difference between a mature industry and a new industry such as online porn, is that everything is done more or less openly. Although things may still go on which many may wish did not, this is important in two ways. If I don't know something is happening I don't get to make a choice as to whether or not I am willing to tolerate it. And once the question of honesty arises, it is downright foolish to ignore the possibility that other areas may also be handled dishonestly.

The relevance to your question? That there are two perspectives. The broad one being the value in attempting to push this industry towards growing up. To that end I will post on boards, write to the FTC, use the FBI internet fraud site, and whatever else comes to mind which seems relevant.

In narrow terms, I will not "do" anything, because if someone in this business sets out to cheat you, I don't believe you can actually stop him or even be confident you can identify what he is doing. Instead, I have always had the policy of avoiding sponsors in whom I don't have confidence, whether that lack is due to rumors about honesty or obvious signs of inefficiency.

I learned a long time ago that there are sponsors who - at least from the affiliate point of view - simply don't have it together, whatever the reason. But once you have eliminated those, there are still plenty left and any significant difference in performance between them is primarily down to the affiliate: how he promotes them; how well positioned are his promos; what are his traffic sources; etc.

Occasionally there are temporary exceptions when a new bandwagon gets under way. But otherwise there is so much choice that there just isn't a good reason to work with anyone with whom you are not entirely comfortable. And if you set your sites up the right way, it is very easy to respond to both your instincts and your statistics.

You will not always choose wisely and sometimes you cannot find a way to make a particular sponsor work. But overall that approach works and if more affiliates were critical of their sponsors, the cowboys would either have to clean up their acts or see their businesses go down the toilet.

marko13 · 11-24-2006, 08:22 AM

every hit is potential sale.... so i promote only established sponsors that are more than 2 years in this biz and have no drama threads om gfy...

E$_manager · 11-24-2006, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by jact

I have a solution, at least, I think I do. I guess we'll see soon enough

When? When will we know?

baddog · 11-24-2006, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by jact

I have a solution, at least, I think I do. I guess we'll see soon enough

Well, if you published contact info, and invited serious inquiries you would then see the value of GFY that goes beyond the posts and replies ratios.

11-23-2006, 04:35 PM	#1
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11-23-2006, 05:43 PM	#4
2HousePlague CURATOR Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: the attic Posts: 14,572	Of course it matters. Just think how absurd it would be to ask a cattle rancher if every head of cattle matters, or a baker if every cupcake matters, or a fisherman if every lobster matters, or a bricklayer if every brick matters. Because it's all still "so new", online business has been tolerating a great deal of fuzziness that would be considered madness in almost every other kind of business. Clicks and impressions are a webmaster's basic inventory. Be concerned about accuracy and precision. Demand the same commitment from those with whom you do business. There is no gray area. It hurts us if we allow there to be. 2hp __________________ tada!

11-23-2006, 08:57 PM	#7
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11-24-2006, 08:22 AM	#23
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