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MikeChangs · 07-15-2002, 11:09 AM

Traffic that spend money!

I have this email list currently available:

2.8 Million opted in (adult) users, these people have all joined sites and are willing to use their creditcards online, the list is brand new and compliled from member databases of pay sites and avs programs! $800

Please contact me at the ICQ number below for more details.

ICQ: 105935400

nocostporn · 07-15-2002, 11:22 AM

InsaneMidget
Internet Entrepeneur

Registered: May 2002
Location: Canada eh
Posts: 571
This is everything I know about this guy, I also included my icq log with him.

ICQ: 105935400
Nick: Bullseye & MikeChangs (Maybe more)
Email: [email protected]
Address: Southampton, United Kingdom of Great Britain
Cell Phone: 794 9523868

I never bought from this guy, he gave me a list of 10,000 emails as a "sample" which I still have a copy of. Here is our icq log:

Bullseye: hi mate, how can I help you?

Me: You sell email lists right?

Bullseye: yes i do

Me: What kind of lists?

Bullseye: teen and hardcore combined

Me: How many emails?

Me: Your nick "Bullseye" is extremely familiar...

Bullseye: dont know why! lol

Bullseye: the list of people who have previously joined sites is $300 for 700,000 the previous list i have im not selling now.

Me: Okay, I hope you don't mind, but I've never done this and don't have a very open mind to it. Is there anyway I can try out a sample amount of emails, and if everything turns out fine, we can go from there.

Bullseye: that is a fair deal, ill send you a small sample list

Me: One thing, What kind of sponsor should I use? Will they terminate my account?

Bullseye: if people complain its likly yes, always tell the email receipient they are opted in because technically they are, and give them a way to remove them selves from lists, do that and youl be fine

Me: Cool, also, what is the best way for me to send these?
I have free cgi mailer scripts, is that okay? Or do I need your software?

Bullseye: if you have cgi mailers that work use them its the safer
and easier way, but i do include full sending software on the CD
to use if you wish, it is certainly faster than web based sending

Me: How much is the software?

Bullseye: it is on the main CD i supply along with 30 million general address lists for $49

Bullseye: those arnt all adult users and arnt as successful as the others oviously

Me: Okay, I will try these out and get a mailer up and running, I'll find some teen hardcore sponsor or something.

Bullseye: yes ok, good luck. also if you wanted the software id give it to you with the other address lists anyway mate

Me: How much are the other lists?

Bullseye: $300
so no need to pay me extra for the sending program!

Me: Okay, I'll see how this goes first

Bullseye: ok thats fine, and hopefully ill speak to you soon mate

Me: Is there a certain way to make html emails? Or to place html in emails?

Bullseye: yes there is, in the sending software i have.
others, im not too sure about

Me: Okay

Bullseye: you should see results from the mails.
The software I have sends through IP which you set as a proxy,
ill give you the number, your ISP wont even know you are sending any mails if your interested.

Bullseye: also im not trying to put pressure on you in anyway but i wont keep selling the premium list because it becomes dirty, just so you know ok

Me: Do you get new lists a lot?

Bullseye: no, theres not enough webmasters willing to sell their member lists im affraid, but you will have time to test the lists and things anyway mate

Me: Okay

Me: How many times should I send emails to this list?

Bullseye: send in baches

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AFTER EMAILS WERE SENT:
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Bullseye: what happend to the site??

Me: The guy that hosted it is pissed, he is posting about it everywhere telling all these webmasters that I was spamming, is there anyting I can do to straighten this out? I didn't know this was going to be such a mess

Bullseye: to be honest i had the same problem myself one time!
change servers and find someone not so stupid! these fools are such idiots!!

Bullseye: post the server details on black lists on webmaster borads

Bullseye: give me the server details

Me: Why?

Bullseye: ill see what I can do, I know most people I will have words

Bullseye: just ther server name i mean

Me: Do you want his icq?

Bullseye: ok, yeah that will do

Bullseye: ok, you got his email address instead?

Me: **********
That is his icq, please don't get me in more shit!

Bullseye: i wont, ill get back to you sometime on it

Me: okay

Me: Your talking with him?

Bullseye: I have tried, im going to gather IP stamping for addresses to prove no spam was sent, ;)

Me: So all will be fine?

Bullseye: hopefully

Bullseye: try to get you back online at least!!

Me: He said if you can prove where they came from or where they are optin, then everything will be settled..

Bullseye: ok tats cool then
ill do my best for you

Me: Can you show him the ip stamp on his girlfriends email? Thats all he wants to see.

Bullseye: he needs to tell me the mail, and ill find the details

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couple hours later......
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Me: He wants to see ip stamping for the whole 10,000 emails and the ip stamp for his girlfriendfs.

Bullseye: ok, ill see what I can do, but as i explained to him i have to goto the orginatling souces to find that information, its not instant

Me: How long will this take?

Bullseye: depends how quickly thay reply, probally get it for tommorow morning

Me: But your positive you can do this? Or did you gather these emails or something?

Bullseye: the optin mails all have ip and time stamps its just finding them

Me: He is going to get his lawyers after me if I don't provide ip stamps and everything. I didn't know this was all going to happen. Has anyone else bought these emails off you?

Bullseye: yes they have, ill get on to it straight away ok, ill get back to you soon

Me: Okay

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Haven't talked with him since....

That is everything that has been talked about and that has happened.I never knew anything about spamming. I thought if emails were optin and if you give the person a way to be removed, then everything
would be fine. I also didn't think that this would have such a big effect on the server, and people's jobs. I have apoligized to everyone a lot already and I know I don't deserve to be treated good at all. I still however would like to prevent this from happening anymore.

nocostporn · 07-15-2002, 11:23 AM

your list aren't opt-in fucker... so stop trying to screw people over.... somebody ban this guy already... this isn't helping the case that adult.com doesnt allow spam

zip · 07-15-2002, 11:26 AM

It's about time this guy gets his ass kicked..

Can we vote somewhere to do so?

B40 · 07-15-2002, 11:35 AM

[email protected]

Next time I see an email box I'll sign you up.

nocostporn · 07-15-2002, 11:38 AM

Cell Phone: 794 9523868

I'm about to give him a ring-a-ding-ding

fiveyes · 07-15-2002, 02:06 PM

Ahhh, the fallacy of the opt-in list for sale!

Let's see, we have a list that's being sold multiple times by Bullseye/MikeChangs, who may just have been one of many middlemen that purchased it from the guy above him. In fact, there's even a good chance that the fellow above Bullseye/MikeChangs is simply ANOTHER middeman in a whole chain of middlemen.

Anyway, one can just take it for granted that there's a lot of copies of this list out there in various hands. OK?

Now, let's suppose the original listing actually was legitimate. For that to be true, two conditions have to be met- 1.) the list has to be double opt-in (otherwise, there's going to be bogus entries) and 2.) there has to be a way to opt-out of the listing.

And, as soon as we have a list that's being sold multiple times, condition #2 no longer holds. When Bullseye/MikeChangs says "and give them a way to remove them selves from lists, do that and youl be fine", he lies. Unless there's some way for InsaneMidget to contact him with all his opt-outs, have them passed up to the fellow above him, who then distributes them to the others that he sold to, etc, etc.

That's what's meant by a list "getting dirty": About the 200th time someone gets an unwanted e-mail in an otherwise quiet account, someone's gonna' get pissed. That's why a proxy is recommended: When enough people start getting pissed, they begin complaining and complaints are _very effective_ if the origin can be traced.

Bottom line, stay away from opt-in lists for sale. There's no such thing. It's a lie to sucker newbies out of their money and into more trouble than they can imagine.

shurik · 07-15-2002, 04:56 PM

MikeChangs

fucking spammer

volante · 07-15-2002, 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by nocostporn
Cell Phone: 794 9523868

I'm about to give him a ring-a-ding-ding

Lemme help out:

From the UK: phone 07949 523868
From the US: phone 01144 7949 523868
From anywhere else: Phone the code required to make an international call, then 447949 523868

Oh, and don't forget to leave a message - it cost him money to retrieve them. Something along the lines of "Hi, I'm interested in buying your email list, but I've got a few questions", then ask a few questions, then say "Please call me back on" and then hang up.

If he thinks it's a genuine message he's more likely to listen to it to the end, which will cost him more money

volante · 07-15-2002, 05:09 PM

Or say you want to pay by check and ask him for his address. Then post it here...

07-15-2002, 11:09 AM	#1
MikeChangs Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 28	email list Traffic that spend money! I have this email list currently available: 2.8 Million opted in (adult) users, these people have all joined sites and are willing to use their creditcards online, the list is brand new and compliled from member databases of pay sites and avs programs! $800 Please contact me at the ICQ number below for more details. ICQ: 105935400

07-15-2002, 11:23 AM	#3
nocostporn Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Maryland Posts: 5,228	your list aren't opt-in fucker... so stop trying to screw people over.... somebody ban this guy already... this isn't helping the case that adult.com doesnt allow spam __________________ CashTheChecks.com -coming soon- "Exclusive sites for Exclusive Webmasters" ICQ-119966868,add me first don't message

07-15-2002, 11:35 AM	#5
B40 Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 7,020	[email protected] Next time I see an email box I'll sign you up. __________________

07-15-2002, 11:38 AM	#6
nocostporn Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Maryland Posts: 5,228	Cell Phone: 794 9523868 I'm about to give him a ring-a-ding-ding __________________ CashTheChecks.com -coming soon- "Exclusive sites for Exclusive Webmasters" ICQ-119966868,add me first don't message

07-15-2002, 02:06 PM	#7
fiveyes Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: New Orleans Posts: 1,680	Ahhh, the fallacy of the opt-in list for sale! Let's see, we have a list that's being sold multiple times by Bullseye/MikeChangs, who may just have been one of many middlemen that purchased it from the guy above him. In fact, there's even a good chance that the fellow above Bullseye/MikeChangs is simply ANOTHER middeman in a whole chain of middlemen. Anyway, one can just take it for granted that there's a lot of copies of this list out there in various hands. OK? Now, let's suppose the original listing actually was legitimate. For that to be true, two conditions have to be met- 1.) the list has to be double opt-in (otherwise, there's going to be bogus entries) and 2.) there has to be a way to opt-out of the listing. And, as soon as we have a list that's being sold multiple times, condition #2 no longer holds. When Bullseye/MikeChangs says "and give them a way to remove them selves from lists, do that and youl be fine", he lies. Unless there's some way for InsaneMidget to contact him with all his opt-outs, have them passed up to the fellow above him, who then distributes them to the others that he sold to, etc, etc. That's what's meant by a list "getting dirty": About the 200th time someone gets an unwanted e-mail in an otherwise quiet account, someone's gonna' get pissed. That's why a proxy is recommended: When enough people start getting pissed, they begin complaining and complaints are _very effective_ if the origin can be traced. Bottom line, stay away from opt-in lists for sale. There's no such thing. It's a lie to sucker newbies out of their money and into more trouble than they can imagine. __________________ <CENTER><A HREF="http://www.hot-off-bourbon.com/" target="_blank"><IMG SRC="http://www.hot-off-bourbon.com/images/hob-logosmall.jpg" border="0"></A> <FONT face="Comic Sans MS" SIZE="-1"><I>Mardi Gras, Spring Break, Wet-T, Night Club Action, UpSkirt, Oil Wrestling, Voyeur</I></FONT></CENTER>

07-15-2002, 11:22 AM	#2
nocostporn Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Maryland Posts: 5,228	InsaneMidget Internet Entrepeneur Registered: May 2002 Location: Canada eh Posts: 571 This is everything I know about this guy, I also included my icq log with him. ICQ: 105935400 Nick: Bullseye & MikeChangs (Maybe more) Email: [email protected] Address: Southampton, United Kingdom of Great Britain Cell Phone: 794 9523868 I never bought from this guy, he gave me a list of 10,000 emails as a "sample" which I still have a copy of. Here is our icq log: Bullseye: hi mate, how can I help you? Me: You sell email lists right? Bullseye: yes i do Me: What kind of lists? Bullseye: teen and hardcore combined Me: How many emails? Me: Your nick "Bullseye" is extremely familiar... Bullseye: dont know why! lol Bullseye: the list of people who have previously joined sites is $300 for 700,000 the previous list i have im not selling now. Me: Okay, I hope you don't mind, but I've never done this and don't have a very open mind to it. Is there anyway I can try out a sample amount of emails, and if everything turns out fine, we can go from there. Bullseye: that is a fair deal, ill send you a small sample list Me: One thing, What kind of sponsor should I use? Will they terminate my account? Bullseye: if people complain its likly yes, always tell the email receipient they are opted in because technically they are, and give them a way to remove them selves from lists, do that and youl be fine Me: Cool, also, what is the best way for me to send these? I have free cgi mailer scripts, is that okay? Or do I need your software? Bullseye: if you have cgi mailers that work use them its the safer and easier way, but i do include full sending software on the CD to use if you wish, it is certainly faster than web based sending Me: How much is the software? Bullseye: it is on the main CD i supply along with 30 million general address lists for $49 Bullseye: those arnt all adult users and arnt as successful as the others oviously Me: Okay, I will try these out and get a mailer up and running, I'll find some teen hardcore sponsor or something. Bullseye: yes ok, good luck. also if you wanted the software id give it to you with the other address lists anyway mate Me: How much are the other lists? Bullseye: $300 so no need to pay me extra for the sending program! Me: Okay, I'll see how this goes first Bullseye: ok thats fine, and hopefully ill speak to you soon mate Me: Is there a certain way to make html emails? Or to place html in emails? Bullseye: yes there is, in the sending software i have. others, im not too sure about Me: Okay Bullseye: you should see results from the mails. The software I have sends through IP which you set as a proxy, ill give you the number, your ISP wont even know you are sending any mails if your interested. Bullseye: also im not trying to put pressure on you in anyway but i wont keep selling the premium list because it becomes dirty, just so you know ok Me: Do you get new lists a lot? Bullseye: no, theres not enough webmasters willing to sell their member lists im affraid, but you will have time to test the lists and things anyway mate Me: Okay Me: How many times should I send emails to this list? Bullseye: send in baches ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- AFTER EMAILS WERE SENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bullseye: what happend to the site?? Me: The guy that hosted it is pissed, he is posting about it everywhere telling all these webmasters that I was spamming, is there anyting I can do to straighten this out? I didn't know this was going to be such a mess Bullseye: to be honest i had the same problem myself one time! change servers and find someone not so stupid! these fools are such idiots!! Bullseye: post the server details on black lists on webmaster borads Bullseye: give me the server details Me: Why? Bullseye: ill see what I can do, I know most people I will have words Bullseye: just ther server name i mean Me: Do you want his icq? Bullseye: ok, yeah that will do Bullseye: ok, you got his email address instead? Me: ********** That is his icq, please don't get me in more shit! Bullseye: i wont, ill get back to you sometime on it Me: okay Me: Your talking with him? Bullseye: I have tried, im going to gather IP stamping for addresses to prove no spam was sent, ;) Me: So all will be fine? Bullseye: hopefully Bullseye: try to get you back online at least!! Me: He said if you can prove where they came from or where they are optin, then everything will be settled.. Bullseye: ok tats cool then ill do my best for you Me: Can you show him the ip stamp on his girlfriends email? Thats all he wants to see. Bullseye: he needs to tell me the mail, and ill find the details ----------------------------------------------------------- couple hours later...... ----------------------------------------------------------- Me: He wants to see ip stamping for the whole 10,000 emails and the ip stamp for his girlfriendfs. Bullseye: ok, ill see what I can do, but as i explained to him i have to goto the orginatling souces to find that information, its not instant Me: How long will this take? Bullseye: depends how quickly thay reply, probally get it for tommorow morning Me: But your positive you can do this? Or did you gather these emails or something? Bullseye: the optin mails all have ip and time stamps its just finding them Me: He is going to get his lawyers after me if I don't provide ip stamps and everything. I didn't know this was all going to happen. Has anyone else bought these emails off you? Bullseye: yes they have, ill get on to it straight away ok, ill get back to you soon Me: Okay ----------------------------------------------------------- Haven't talked with him since.... That is everything that has been talked about and that has happened.I never knew anything about spamming. I thought if emails were optin and if you give the person a way to be removed, then everything would be fine. I also didn't think that this would have such a big effect on the server, and people's jobs. I have apoligized to everyone a lot already and I know I don't deserve to be treated good at all. I still however would like to prevent this from happening anymore. __________________ CashTheChecks.com -coming soon- "Exclusive sites for Exclusive Webmasters" ICQ-119966868,add me first don't message

07-15-2002, 11:26 AM	#4
zip Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: under the bridge Posts: 567	It's about time this guy gets his ass kicked.. Can we vote somewhere to do so?

07-15-2002, 04:56 PM	#8
shurik Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 29	MikeChangs fucking spammer

07-15-2002, 05:09 PM	#10
volante Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: LAX Immigration Posts: 2,940	Or say you want to pay by check and ask him for his address. Then post it here...