Can you please explain to me how could I make cash off Steve's hard work without making him cash as well?

I must be missing something since I'm still going old skool here:

My JC TLD --> JordanCapri.com --> Sign up --> $$$ for both parties

:1orglaugh

shh... don't interrupt his ass kissing

Simple formula for success, Working together=$$$$

I've been silent until I could talk to a few people today about this issue to try to understand it better. I'm a photographer and marketeer, not a domainer or SEO specialist. I'm all for discussing this like professionals to come to a compromise. But so far I've only heard insults and unethical ways of cheating the system. No one has offered any SOLUTIONS.

So what is fair for BOTH SIDES? I'm open to suggestions to find a win/win.

Steve Lightspeed

Yeah you said it, Steve's hard work. He worked his ass off to get Light Speed to where it is. I met and shot with him when it was first getting off the ground. For an affiliate to think it is ok to buy a domain name of any of his girls and use it is shitty. It does not matter that you are using it to promote his material or not. Apparantly a lot of affiliates do not know the code of the adult biz. I hope he kicks the affiliates that have bought the domain names. Then they can't promote his material on the sites.

I don't like this domain handing policy and I'm not that sure its that beneficial for LS either. It can be dealt on per case basis, rather in a general TOS. Such domain can have from $XXX to $XXXXX value to proper affiliate hands, while to LS themselves to have close to zero value. Protecting your tradermark and intellectual property can be held in a more wise way imho.

Technically Borked is right Jordan Capri is not trademark yet it's still pending.
This company does not have a assignment number to it yet.

Instead of bullying the sites that have this name what you guys can do is come is as ASSIGNEE's to this company to get a bigger percentage from this company.

Sorry Steve but anyone that know how to get in the Trademark system can actually see your trademark application.

so since this is your temp number
http://assignments.uspto.gov/assignm...m&sno=77017476

YOU DO NOT HAVE A ASSIGNMENT NUMBER so if someone register those domains before you went and filed a trademark to it YES they can appeal your applications. He he he talk to your examiner that is handling your case so soon you should be getting a interview summary from the examiner that is handling your case becasue yes a third party can call and talk to him about your case since it's still pending.

Also wanted you guys to know that every new trademark , copyright or patent comes out in the federal digest every three months and no that number is not there.

You can go to a patent attorney and he can give you a booklet that the USPTO gives out when new trademark, patent or copyright comes out.

no shit, the people with the domains are the ones promoting your site...If I had one of those domains I'd tell you guys to eat a dick

What you guys don't understand is the REASON for our rule. Go to google or yahoo and look at people with our names in their domains. If they were using those names to promote ONLY us, I might feel differently. There are a lot of them that don't link to us AT ALL.

So Steve, If I can came to you and your attorney along with my attorney and I sign up to be a affilate to your site would there be a way that if I have a domain name with JordanCapriismarry.com do you think we can work out a deal for me to be a Assignee where I get to keep my domain name but your company would hold the assignment/trademark number to get a bigger percentage? Especially if I'm going to send you major traffic along with 20 sales a day. Would that be possible to work out?

I think for those that owned those domain maybe you should work out a deal with them and see how it work.

actually that would be called licensing agreement -

now the picture should be getting clearer to steve and the rest?.
maybe thats already in the works?
:winkwink:

Speaking of Tawnee and the rest of the girls, check out Wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lightsp...ia_Corporation

For what it's worth, my step-sisters legal name is Jordan Capri and when I let her see this thread and that someone is putting a trademark on her name, she flipped.

She does business under that name (as luck would have it, she is a patent attorney) and has a domain that has her name in it, with something else added to it. You can figure it out by trying a few variables.

I'm pretty sure she is going to contest the trademark.

No offense, but you don't seem to have much of a clue of how an affiliate program is supposed to work, do you?

Steve's work is there to be promoted, or since when did he close up his affiliate program, from what I know it still works fine, so the job of an affiliate is it to drive traffic and eyeballs to Steve's sites...

Personally I don't understand his policy to disallow affiliates to register domain-names including the names / brands of the girls they are supposed to promote really.

Since when does LightSpeed Media do their complete SEO and Marketing? Again from what I remember the affiliate program is fine and working well.
So how is it counterproductive or unproductive if affiliates register domains that include the brands they are supposed to market?
It's not, it brings sales to LSM that they would not have had on their own in the first place - the basic and pure reason to have affiliates and an affiliate-program.

If he goes against domains and webmasters that abuse his brands / TM's or names - because they use them to get traffic to promote something else then I fully agree, that he is correct in doing so.


Short and simple: Work together with your affiliates hand in hand, because they bring YOU sales and customers you would not have had in the first place...
You as Paysite-owner can only bring in as many sales on your own, remember?

Just my :2 cents:

But I'm pretty sure if Steve send Jordan to my house for a night I could back her off....

I keep the same rules for ALL my affiliates, big and small. I'm not interested in making special deals that only serve to alienate other affiliates. God forbid I do that, ask Brujah.

There are a few rules that I think are fair, that would solve most of my issues:

1) no pps payout
2) no external links or traffic leaks
3) no fake "endorsements" or impersonating the models, me, or my staff
4) if you do actual seo work, you'll get 60% -- if you just want to redirect, it is only worth 40% (since i'm doing ALL the worK)
5) No banned, inappropriate, or misleading words (like "exclusive" and "official")

I would also want a signed agreement that says you agree to my terms, and breach on your part will result in an immediate forfeiture of your domain, any unpaid commission balance, and all future rebills.

I also won't allow people to buy ppc traffic for our actual names ---- esp if they are outbidding us -- why should I have to compete against my own affiliate for the name "Jordan Capri" on Yahoo or Google? Netflix.com has that rule, and it makes sense to me. If you want to buy ppc for "brunette hottie", thats fine.

I would also be willing to pay a bounty/finders fee for the first person to point out another affiliate who is breaking these rules.

Is this fair? Like I said, I want one rule that applies to all our affiliates.

Steve Lightspeed

I also don't think I should have to pay for joins from typo domains. If a surfer types in a url and gets a "site not found" error, he won't just stop there. He'll look at the url closer and fix his error until he finds my site. That hit comes to me, fair and square, with no affiliate payout. So why should I have to pay an affiliate for intercepting that?

And don't say "you should have just registered them all" -- We do try to get the obvious ones, but some names have dozens of possible misspellings.

Bloody hell Steve, you had to go to talk to a few people to find out what's the best way to handle this situation? Are you really THAT blind?

You have only heard insults? Then you must have been rereading your own posts again.

[bYou have only heard of unethical ways ofd cheating the system? [/b]Pray, do point these out to us all.... enlighten us all.

No one has offered any SOLUTIONS. You are kidding, right???


Look, this is bottom frikkin line -

People want to use their JC domains to send you signups

Is that clear? People have stated that and all you have done is say, nope, sorry, that is my property, now hand it over. Fuckin gorrilla man. As far as I can see, you are the only one in this industry to take such a dumbass stance.

As far as Gillespie is concerned, you really came down on him hard, and he's someone you should be cherishing - a new affiliate.

Now, I would like to for you to apologise to him, and all the others who use their JC domains to send you $.

That's the solution

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Fucking control freak. That really is funny to read.

Yep, exactly the response I expected from you. You don't want me to find a solution, you just want to act like a bigshot know-it-all and keyboard warrior. And since you aren't even a Lightspeedcash affiliate, I think you need to get a fucking life!

Here's your apology: :321GFY :321GFY :321GFY

Steve Lightspeed

The simple answer is domains using LS material convert sales to Lightspeed, everyone makes money..... domains abusing LS copyright are sought out and dealt with accordingly....

just my :2 cents:

if you're not in adult why the fuck are you here? moron? idiot?

and if you are in adult - then you are a COMPLETE moron considering what i said and who steve is. re-read what I said - if you have an IQ over 10 it'll eventually sink in. :2 cents:

Well, someone was trying to tell you that, oh just a couple of days ago, but you weren't interested one iota. Someone was trying to say,
"look I know of big affiliates of yours who are doing what I want to do - why are you letting them do it, but saying I have to hand over my domains to you".


So what gives? It's ok for some, but not for others?

Ehm, because I don't have to be a farmer to be in the farming industry.

no comment, dumbass.

If you can't see the solution, then you are blind.
Oh, and it's not an apology to me that is needed....

Your fascination with me is bordering on homosexual obsession now. Last I checked, I own Lightspeed Media and I am free to run it as I please. I don't think I have to explain jack shit to YOU.

I posted above that I'm willing to discuss a compromise, and change my stance on this issue. But it appears you aren't done bashing me yet? Ok, I guess you need your 10 minutes of fame here. I'll be back when there are reasonable and mature ADULT WEBMASTERS here with whom I can discuss these issues.

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Simple. Because that affiliate was one step ahead of you and send you a sale. Not all surfers are going to look at the URL if they get a 404.

If you will go as far as trade marking her name, you should go as far as getting every single typo domain.

I think you are in the right protecting her name, but I also think you're overlooking the obvious. As long as people with like domains are sending traffic within your rules, you should let them have at it. Owning all the names is not going to bring you the sales as if others had them. :2 cents:

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I understand, but why go after the guys that are promoting LS and making you money? Why dont you go after the scumbags that are abusing the LS name.. like the tawneestone org site you posted?

If you have answered this, forgive me, I havent seen it yet.

150 cherished memories:pimp

I appreciate your comment.

There are obviously 3 different typeas of people that are registering domains:

1) SEO/Freesite builder: The guy that wants an edge to get a good SE placement so he can make sales with us. I have no problems with this guy, if he's willing to follow a few rules (like i listed above).

2) Typo squatter: The guy that wants to take advantage of typos and make money for doing nothing. I think that an affiliate should be paid for the amount of work and resources he invests into promoting us. The typo squatter isn't bringing anything to the table AT ALL. No work should equal no money.

3) SE Spammer/Cybersquatter: The guy that wants to take advantage of popular names to get SE traffic to his own site which isn't promoting us AT ALL: This is the guy that is fucking it up for everyone.

And borked, what are you, like 12?

I fully agree to point 1 & 3.

Point 2. I do see different though.

Here's my take: As you think typo-squatters are bringing nothing to the table AT ALL.

I say they do bring in sales. Why?

Not every surfer realizes that he typed the domain wrong and will try again. In this case, which is highly possible you just lost a sale.
If the "Typo squatter" registered this domain though, you've just made your % share of a sale you would have otherwise had lost.

Basicly it boils down to this question:

If you get let's say 50 new signups from affiliate-typos, but you only get 10 signups from people that really do try again and get it right... what would you rather have?

To the whole situation itself:

The real easy and working solution to this dilemma is: Allow affiliates to have alike domains, as long as they bring YOU the sales. Go after the ones that abuse your brands to drive traffic to other sites. By doing this, you will have MANY affiliates let you know when they find a bad apple automaticly - because they fuck with their dedication as well then... Don't "over-control" the situation too much... this is confusing and wasting time that you could use much better for other things.


cheers,
Steve / JOKER

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I'm sure this all does look like "over control" to you. But in almost 8 years in the biz, I've felt cheated by domainers more than any other group. I don't have the manpower to police every site for compliance. When I noticed so many people cheating us (#3 above) -- my answer was to stop allowing anyone to register our names.

Once I told a few people they couldn't use our names, how do you expect me to now allow it without people like Brujah throwing a fit? I want one rule for everyone. That is fair. If people didn't cheat and take every single advantage, I wouldn't be arguing these issues now.

It boils down to TRUST. If I've met you and know you, I'm more likely to trust you not to abuse our trade names. A few years ago, I made deals with people that had our domains. They all agreed not to promote any other sponsors. But they all did, eventually. Every single one of them. Kinda made me not trust anyone that plays domain games.

If people want me to be honest with them, then I expect the same in return. Do you really think I should allow an affiliate to register domains like tawnee-stone-official-site.com ?

id like to thank borked for bringing this topic up because i registered a tld with a ls model name and didn't know it was such a big deal because i had done it before with other affiliate programs and have found no problems. As a relatively newbie webmaster i just patiently viewed these threads and responses for an answer of what i should do with my site and now i have come to the conclusion that i can use this domain under the new guidelines steve has outline, is this correct? If this is true, i also like to thank lightspeedsteve for trying to find a compromise to this situation so we all can make money.
This domain will be purely promoting LS content and i will be doing it in respected manner.

have a nice night

Ok, SEO gurus: Please explain to me WHY google doesn't return TAWNEESTONE.COM as the most relevant result for "Tawnee Stone" searches? If they did, I wouldn't give a flying fuck about all these typos and other domains.

OK, fair enough....guess I shouldnt scrutinize so much, as I dont play the 'domain games'... but it is your intellectual property, and apparantly the webmasters who are being honest wont be the subject of prosecution... I understand that.

thanks for replying Steve