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andrej_NDC · 10-16-2006, 11:52 AM

If your friend gets shot, you don't blame the company who produced the gun, but the person who used the gun to kill him.

Dirty F · 10-16-2006, 11:52 AM

Thats deep man. Let me think about that for a while.

Manowar · 10-16-2006, 12:00 PM

Zango SHOT someone ? ;)

Good point there though, It takes two to tango.

detoxed · 10-16-2006, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by andrej_NDC

If your friend gets shot, you don't blame the company who produced the gun, but the person who used the gun to kill him.

Dumb quote, What if the gun company produced the gun and allowed you to bid on peoples life?

martinsc · 10-16-2006, 12:02 PM

what? who has guns? why shoot people?

andrej_NDC · 10-16-2006, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by detoxed

Dumb quote, What if the gun company produced the gun and allowed you to bid on peoples life?

producing guns = bad
using them = even worse
got it now?

ADL Colin · 10-16-2006, 12:24 PM

GrouchyAdmin · 10-16-2006, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by ADL Colin

Best. Movie. Of. All. Time.

OzMan · 10-16-2006, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by andrej_NDC

producing guns = bad
using them = even worse
got it now?

Are producing knives, two by fours and large lumps of rock bad too?

You really shot yourself in the foot with the gun analogy

You should have used something inherently bad like crack, but then again with your messed up logic you would say the root of the problem is the dealer not the manufacturer.

Remember, just because very small rocks float it doesn't make them witches.

fetishblog · 10-16-2006, 12:41 PM

I love my guns!

ADL Colin · 10-16-2006, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by toonpornblog

Best. Movie. Of. All. Time.

I fuckin' love that movie.

It's very inspirational

selena · 10-16-2006, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by ADL Colin

That's from Falling Down, isn't it?

I loved that movie.

will76 · 10-16-2006, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by andrej_NDC

If your friend gets shot, you don't blame the company who produced the gun, but the person who used the gun to kill him.

Bad analogy but we get the point.

Guns do not equal bad. They have practical purposes that do not hurt people. I don't know any purposes spyware have that do not hurt people. Spyware was created to screw the surfer and us.

To your point... It is the people who use it to profit (sponsors and affiliates) that are just as much at fault as the people who made it.

mikeyddddd · 10-16-2006, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by andrej_NDC

producing guns = bad
using them = even worse
got it now?

Well, ya just should have said so

RawAlex · 10-16-2006, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by andrej_NDC

If your friend gets shot, you don't blame the company who produced the gun, but the person who used the gun to kill him.

Without guns, nobody would get a chance to shoot.

Zango builds guns, loads the bullets, and teaches people how to aim at each other. They shouldn't be surprised when the bullets fly.

Alex

kenny · 10-16-2006, 01:02 PM

There will always be scum willing to steal for profit.

That will never change.

Doesn't mean we should write off Zango as just some tool thats being abused.

Sosa · 10-16-2006, 01:04 PM

fuck zango in the ass

Niklas · 10-16-2006, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Manowar

Zango SHOT someone ? ;)

Good point there though, It takes two to tango.

dont you mean.. two to zango? (har har)

Bro Media - BANNED FOR LIFE · 10-16-2006, 01:16 PM

hi, im against zango, but heres another for ya

they tell everything they do, in the little TOS you must read before installing, not their faults 90% of internet surfers are idiots and don't read shit like that... only their fault

jayeff · 10-16-2006, 01:29 PM

There is nothing legitimate about software which is designed solely to intercept traffic intended for another destination, without the consent or participation of the site which generates the traffic.

That said, if there were no market for scumware, no-one would waste their time producing it. Our real problem is with the affiliates who promote the installs and the sponsors who - while wanting us to believe we are working together - are using scumware to steal from us. The expression "I wouldn't waste my p*ss on them if they were on fire" seems appropriate.

RawAlex · 10-16-2006, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by LOL :D

hi, im against zango, but heres another for ya

they tell everything they do, in the little TOS you must read before installing, not their faults 90% of internet surfers are idiots and don't read shit like that... only their fault

Did you read all of the terms before you installed XP? I doubt it.

Zango uses the ultimate "magicians flash paper" to get installs done... basically, they offer something for "free", but the reality is it isn't free because the scumware is coming along for the ride. Yes, it is in the terms, but think about it: Do you think anyone would just go and intentional infect their PC with Zango? Nope.

Ever see those ads on TV for FREE CREDIT REPORT? That ain't free either...

Alex

_Lush_ · 10-16-2006, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by RawAlex

Ever see those ads on TV for FREE CREDIT REPORT? That ain't free either...

Alex

Yea those guys got a good scam going as well. I remember checking out that free credit report offer and found out there is no way you will ever get a free credit report out of them. I cant believe they havnt been sued yet as well

REßEL · 10-16-2006, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by RawAlex

Did you read all of the terms before you installed XP? I doubt it.

Zango uses the ultimate "magicians flash paper" to get installs done... basically, they offer something for "free", but the reality is it isn't free because the scumware is coming along for the ride. Yes, it is in the terms, but think about it: Do you think anyone would just go and intentional infect their PC with Zango? Nope.

Ever see those ads on TV for FREE CREDIT REPORT? That ain't free either...

Alex

I'm not even going to go the route of blaming the surfer. Back when Zangocash were Loudcash I had a few rants on NP about people promoting them. On checking someone's site who I knew had added the loudcash code, I discovered the active-x pop-up was claiming to be an age verifier and was basically telling the surfer they "had" to click ok and install the software to verify they were old enough to view the porn content of the site.

It was definitely Loudcash's way, the wm was a relative newbie and wouldn't have had a clue how to set up active-x himself, he just copied and pasted the code Loudcash gave him to promote them with.

I know a lot of it is games/videos and not reading the license agreement as they install them, but how many of surfers were infected by being mislead that they had to verify their age?

SpeakEasy · 10-16-2006, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Manowar

Zango SHOT someone ? ;)

Good point there though, It takes two to tango.

Actually in this case it takes two to Zango...LOL

RawAlex · 10-16-2006, 03:45 PM

Rebel, my contention is that even the current level of disclosure is still dishonest or at least more than a little misleading. IN order to watch a 30 second video, you have to install a software product that is diffuclt to remove and will be around with you for much longer than 30 seconds. For me, there is something wrong with a "free and the fuck you" tied sale when the "fuck you" part has significantly more value than the free part.

Cost of streaming the video is what, 1 cent? Value of the first click is probably 10 times that. The value to Zango for each install has to be overwhemlingly higher than the value of what they give away.

Something tells me there is something to work on there.

V_RocKs · 10-17-2006, 12:21 AM

Zango gets installed when webmasters infect their users... If I had a nickle for every adult site I've seen running their ads and installs I'd be done creating shit and living the good life right now.

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andrej_NDC Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 7,760	Its not mainly Zango's fault whats happening here If your friend gets shot, you don't blame the company who produced the gun, but the person who used the gun to kill him.

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kenny Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 7,245	There will always be scum willing to steal for profit. That will never change. Doesn't mean we should write off Zango as just some tool thats being abused. __________________ 7

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Dirty F Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 59,204	Thats deep man. Let me think about that for a while.

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Manowar jellyfish Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 71,528	Zango SHOT someone ? ;) Good point there though, It takes two to tango.

10-16-2006, 01:04 PM	#17
Sosa In Tushy Land Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Nebraska Posts: 40,149	fuck zango in the ass

10-16-2006, 01:16 PM	#19
Bro Media - BANNED FOR LIFE MOBILE PORN: IMOBILEPORN Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Tinseltown NL Posts: 16,502	hi, im against zango, but heres another for ya they tell everything they do, in the little TOS you must read before installing, not their faults 90% of internet surfers are idiots and don't read shit like that... only their fault

10-16-2006, 01:29 PM	#20
jayeff Confirmed User Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 2,944	There is nothing legitimate about software which is designed solely to intercept traffic intended for another destination, without the consent or participation of the site which generates the traffic. That said, if there were no market for scumware, no-one would waste their time producing it. Our real problem is with the affiliates who promote the installs and the sponsors who - while wanting us to believe we are working together - are using scumware to steal from us. The expression "I wouldn't waste my p*ss on them if they were on fire" seems appropriate.

10-16-2006, 03:45 PM	#25
RawAlex So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: In a house. Posts: 9,465	Rebel, my contention is that even the current level of disclosure is still dishonest or at least more than a little misleading. IN order to watch a 30 second video, you have to install a software product that is diffuclt to remove and will be around with you for much longer than 30 seconds. For me, there is something wrong with a "free and the fuck you" tied sale when the "fuck you" part has significantly more value than the free part. Cost of streaming the video is what, 1 cent? Value of the first click is probably 10 times that. The value to Zango for each install has to be overwhemlingly higher than the value of what they give away. Something tells me there is something to work on there.

10-17-2006, 12:21 AM	#26
V_RocKs Damn Right I Kiss Ass! Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Cowtown, USA Posts: 32,428	Zango gets installed when webmasters infect their users... If I had a nickle for every adult site I've seen running their ads and installs I'd be done creating shit and living the good life right now.