Your Opinion: Why can CAM programs offer such high payouts per signup? - GoFuckYourself.com

RawAlex · 10-13-2006, 12:53 AM

I just want to see if people have thought this through to the logical conclusion...

So... why do you think that the cam programs can offer upwards to $225 per signup?

Tell me what you think.

Alex

Theo · 10-13-2006, 01:01 AM

higher avg value per acquired member. Now paying $225 in reality is another discussion.....

Tempest · 10-13-2006, 01:12 AM

Given some of them are only paying their hosts 35% where others are paying them 50%... and let's not forget about the traffic "leaks" that get them signups/sales that they don't have to pay out on...

beemk · 10-13-2006, 01:13 AM

way more $ per member, among other things.

Bird · 10-13-2006, 01:14 AM

gotta be Fraud

RawAlex · 10-13-2006, 09:09 AM

Keep going... I am sure there are some more opinions on this.

Martin · 10-13-2006, 09:11 AM

They make alot more per member. Guys fall in love with the girls and spend dollars talking to them and seeing them naked.

Forest · 10-13-2006, 09:11 AM

when i ran cam studios several years ago the average cam user spent like 400-500 a month on the girls

thats how

ilay · 10-13-2006, 09:21 AM

holly shit that's a lot...

Pleasurepays · 10-13-2006, 10:35 AM

edit: Forest beat me to it.

the average value per member = 400.00 - 800.00 w/ no other upsells to members. can be considerably higher if you are selling DVDs and other stuff.

and... thats not "opinion"
;)

but before anyone jumps on the "hey man, what the fuck, i want more money" train - remember there are high bandwidth costs, you have to have full time programmers, models want 1/2, webmasters want 1/2, site owners want 1/2, repeat users want discounts, and fraud is a challenge to deal with (most chargebacks i ever saw from 1 guy - just over 6K).

if you can get paid 100.00 per join... and have all the tools you have today to promote that site, with the total volume of models online (affects conversions/retention) that they have... then you are much better off doing that than trying to start your own site.

Bossman · 10-13-2006, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

the average value per member = 400.00 - 800.00 w/ no other upsells to members. can be considerably higher if you are selling DVDs and other stuff.

and... thats not "opinion"
;)

How long did it take to reach the 400.00 - 800.00 on average?

1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12+ months?

Forest · 10-13-2006, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

edit: Forest beat me to it.

the average value per member = 400.00 - 800.00 w/ no other upsells to members. can be considerably higher if you are selling DVDs and other stuff.

and... thats not "opinion"
;)

but before anyone jumps on the "hey man, what the fuck, i want more money" train - remember there are high bandwidth costs, you have to have full time programmers, models want 1/2, webmasters want 1/2, site owners want 1/2, repeat users want discounts, and fraud is a challenge to deal with (most chargebacks i ever saw from 1 guy - just over 6K).

if you can get paid 100.00 per join... and have all the tools you have today to promote that site, with the total volume of models online (affects conversions/retention) that they have... then you are much better off doing that than trying to start your own site.

and this is from a guy that KNOWS the cam business

Forest · 10-13-2006, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Bossman

How long did it take to reach the 400.00 - 800.00 on average?

1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12+ months?

depends on the member

I remember on guy that use to spend 10k-15k a month on interclimax when i was there

After Shock Media · 10-13-2006, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Bossman

How long did it take to reach the 400.00 - 800.00 on average?

1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12+ months?

I have seen many new users blow through 400.00 in the first two hours of joining a site.

Pleasurepays · 10-13-2006, 11:37 AM

thanks skinny! ;)

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Originally Posted by Bossman

How long did it take to reach the 400.00 - 800.00 on average?

1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12+ months?

it depends on a number of factors. the biggest of which is:

1 - total models online
2 - average attractiveness of models (although model attractiveness is less of a factor than people realize)
3 - how well the models work on average (huge)
4 - type of chat (free chat/private 1on1 or group rooms with discounted rates)

the number one factor for conversions/retention is total models online. thats why Lars is was the first one to wise up and not try to stop girls from working on 2-3 sites at a time. the fact is that more girls = more money. probably more due to percieved value on the users part... because you can usually see most girls are sleeping, eating, fucking off etc.

so the smaller the site is, the longer the struggle. to get to that point, you would probably need an average of no less than 15 girls online 24hrs a day. they would have to work pretty well, look ok etc.

if that was the scenario, you would be looking at more than a year - maybe 18 months or so. again, you might have a small number of girls that REALLY have their shit together and keep 2 guys chatting every minute they are working or stay in private chat for 50% of the time they are online and many that perform much worse. so which girls are coming and going can also skew numbers dramatically. if you were constantly adding quality models and they were working well (you can see today, that most do not) then that curve can be shortened quite a bit.

any cam site owner can come and tell me i am full of shit or wrong or whatever, simply because most have very different experiences based on what they are doing, how many girls, types of chat etc etc.

revolte · 10-13-2006, 11:39 AM

Because.... They dont like moustaches

BigCashCrew · 10-13-2006, 11:42 AM

It's very simple, surfers fall in love with the girls and spends lots of money. People who promote per signup are missing out. Go with revshare and make the big bucks. BTW - my program offers 30% revshare and we pay on the total deposit rather than on just what the surfer spends.

scottybuzz · 10-13-2006, 11:53 AM

mad sums of money on cam girls - really is quite unbelievable.

Dirty F · 10-13-2006, 11:55 AM

because when you send them 15k not 1 person converts but i bet it made them money somewhere.

scottybuzz · 10-13-2006, 12:06 PM

if you get cams right, its mad money

Dirty F · 10-13-2006, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by scottybuzz

if you get cams right, its mad money

This is a webmaster thread. You never made a sale. Fuck off.

Theo · 10-13-2006, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Franck

This is a webmaster thread. You never made a sale. Fuck off.

lol, i think you confused him with squishypimp

Fabien · 10-13-2006, 12:36 PM

Hummmmm
Because they use Zango ?

Dirty F · 10-13-2006, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Soul_Rebel

lol, i think you confused him with squishypimp

Actually no. He mightve tricked you but this is a surfer as well.

polle54 · 10-13-2006, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Franck

This is a webmaster thread. You never made a sale. Fuck off.

you're more than likely right..

tranza · 10-13-2006, 12:47 PM

Who is paying $225 PPS????

RawAlex · 10-13-2006, 12:58 PM

Tranza, pussycash is $50-$100 a sale, plus $125 per day bonus if you beat the number they set for you... so if you are high enough up the scale that coule run $225 per sale (in theory).

Okay, here is my take: The cam programs pay for the signup ONCE. After that, they never, ever, ever pay for that member again, even if they come back 1 or 2 years later. Effectively, they are buying out ownership of the member for life.

When you consider that the bigger places have millions of members (I seem to remember pussycash suggesting 3 - 5 million members). As a result, your click thru traffic is likely made up of a certain percentage of existing members, or people who have signed up before... they aren't going to pay you when these people spend more money, they already own the member.

It is one of the reasons why payouts are high and conversions are low. New members are harder to find, and the older members are already bought and paid for. As Pleasurepays says, it takes a while for them to get there, but places like cams.com and pussycash are way past the swing point, and are now on the gravy side of the game... so paying a whole pile of cash for a signup isn't as difficult when you have that many people in your system that have long since been paid for.

(We have to stop agreeing like this... the old O people are going to be laughing)

Alex

jayeff · 10-13-2006, 01:08 PM

A few people are getting a bit carried away. I started promoting live cams back in '97, I have seen the big spenders and made lots of money from cams. But talking in terms of $500 per average customer is either seriously over the top or else every revshare cam sponsor out there (including cams.com) has been screwing its customers for years.

That apart, the topic is a little naive, because we really can have no idea whether the payout is affordable, only possible with shaving, or simply set to buy market share.

Pleasurepays · 10-13-2006, 02:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jayeff

A few people are getting a bit carried away. I started promoting live cams back in '97, I have seen the big spenders and made lots of money from cams. But talking in terms of $500 per average customer is either seriously over the top or else every revshare cam sponsor out there (including cams.com) has been screwing its customers for years.

That apart, the topic is a little naive, because we really can have no idea whether the payout is affordable, only possible with shaving, or simply set to buy market share.

haha...

thats kinda funny. i was about to post some remarks about how no one even really had a clue as to how much money cam sites were making until after 2000 or so. all we had to do was show a cool video console to webmasters and say "hey, free video for your members" and BAM! instant volume of the highest quality traffic on the net, massive sales and webmasters saying "whatever, i just want more free content can you give us more of those "Free Feeds"

500.00 - meaning total money spent divided by total users that spent that money. 500.00 is a fairly average number and not spectacular by any means. while you have been promoting cams... i have been running the sites and studios since 98. at one point, i had over 250 employees. so i am not guessing at the numbers.

paying 100.00 per join is affordable for established sites and its not necessary to shave. time online and total models online are massive factors as they both lead to and support larger volumes of repeat spenders. interclimax was doing this before 2000 and i knew their numbers at the time. they didn't have to shave... but obviously no one would believe this and they weren't really excited about the prospect of getting the point across by screaming "our members are worth more than you life" because it was just a matter of time before competition exploded.

scottybuzz · 10-13-2006, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Franck

Actually no. He mightve tricked you but this is a surfer as well.

hahaha franck, why cant we be friends? I know your pissed at only making $5 on webcams with 15,000 hits, and you want to vent your frustation out on a noob.

But the sad fact is your a hippocrit. You say I dont add to the conversation, but why dont you take a look at all the zango threads in which you say

"I <3 Zango" A clear indication of your input into a thread.

Awww dont worry franck, did I burst your bubble friend

ChatCash_Rob · 10-13-2006, 03:17 PM

Good Read. It's my opinion that webmasters who promote cams solely always go with revshare anyway. Comments?

Elli · 10-13-2006, 04:19 PM

This is why we encourage people to send to the revshare program. You make more money over time, for sure.

But then the $105 per sale specials are pretty cool to take advantage of, too.

Doctor Dre · 10-13-2006, 04:41 PM

All I know is that I'm 5:180 000 on a cam sponsor that pays high payouts right now and 1:759 on a cam / dating sponsor that pays 40 PPS.

RawAlex · 10-13-2006, 04:43 PM

Now could you imagine how much better you would feel if you could have gotten that 180,000 to go to the other sponsor? That would be 220 more $40 signups you would have in your pocket compared with the, what, $525 you got elsewhere?

Alex

marketsmart · 10-13-2006, 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doctor Dre

All I know is that I'm 5:180 000 on a cam sponsor that pays high payouts right now and 1:759 on a cam / dating sponsor that pays 40 PPS.

hmmmm interesting.....

RawAlex · 10-13-2006, 05:41 PM

bumping this up for more comments and maybe someone from iwantu or pussycash would want to drop in and bless us with an opinion.

10-13-2006, 12:53 AM	#1
RawAlex So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: In a house. Posts: 9,465	Your Opinion: Why can CAM programs offer such high payouts per signup? I just want to see if people have thought this through to the logical conclusion... So... why do you think that the cam programs can offer upwards to $225 per signup? Tell me what you think. Alex

10-13-2006, 01:13 AM	#4
beemk CLICK HERE Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 20,829	way more $ per member, among other things. __________________ I host with Vacares

10-13-2006, 01:14 AM	#5
Bird Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Stockton Posts: 4,365	gotta be Fraud __________________ ICQ:268731675

10-13-2006, 09:11 AM	#7
Martin "Assassins" Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: At home Posts: 17,277	They make alot more per member. Guys fall in love with the girls and spend dollars talking to them and seeing them naked. __________________

10-13-2006, 11:53 AM	#18
scottybuzz Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: May 2006 Location: NY Posts: 14,800	mad sums of money on cam girls - really is quite unbelievable. __________________ $$$$$ MAKE HUGE MONEY IN CAMS - CLICK HERE $$$$$

10-13-2006, 01:01 AM	#2
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	higher avg value per acquired member. Now paying $225 in reality is another discussion.....

10-13-2006, 01:12 AM	#3
Tempest Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: May 2004 Location: West Coast, Canada. Posts: 10,217	Given some of them are only paying their hosts 35% where others are paying them 50%... and let's not forget about the traffic "leaks" that get them signups/sales that they don't have to pay out on...

10-13-2006, 09:09 AM	#6
RawAlex So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: In a house. Posts: 9,465	Keep going... I am sure there are some more opinions on this.

10-13-2006, 09:11 AM	#8
Forest Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hollywood Fl. Posts: 8,988	when i ran cam studios several years ago the average cam user spent like 400-500 a month on the girls thats how

10-13-2006, 09:21 AM	#9
ilay Registered User Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Tel Aviv Posts: 9	holly shit that's a lot...

10-13-2006, 10:35 AM	#10
Pleasurepays BANNED - SUPPORTING TUBES Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: I live in a pile of boogers Posts: 11,913	edit: Forest beat me to it. the average value per member = 400.00 - 800.00 w/ no other upsells to members. can be considerably higher if you are selling DVDs and other stuff. and... thats not "opinion" ;) but before anyone jumps on the "hey man, what the fuck, i want more money" train - remember there are high bandwidth costs, you have to have full time programmers, models want 1/2, webmasters want 1/2, site owners want 1/2, repeat users want discounts, and fraud is a challenge to deal with (most chargebacks i ever saw from 1 guy - just over 6K). if you can get paid 100.00 per join... and have all the tools you have today to promote that site, with the total volume of models online (affects conversions/retention) that they have... then you are much better off doing that than trying to start your own site.

10-13-2006, 11:39 AM	#16
revolte Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 210	Because.... They dont like moustaches

10-13-2006, 11:42 AM	#17
BigCashCrew Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 3,570	It's very simple, surfers fall in love with the girls and spends lots of money. People who promote per signup are missing out. Go with revshare and make the big bucks. BTW - my program offers 30% revshare and we pay on the total deposit rather than on just what the surfer spends.

10-13-2006, 11:55 AM	#19
Dirty F Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 59,204	because when you send them 15k not 1 person converts but i bet it made them money somewhere.

10-13-2006, 12:06 PM	#20
scottybuzz Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: May 2006 Location: NY Posts: 14,800	if you get cams right, its mad money __________________ $$$$$ MAKE HUGE MONEY IN CAMS - CLICK HERE $$$$$

10-13-2006, 12:36 PM	#23
Fabien Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 4,787	Hummmmm Because they use Zango ?

10-13-2006, 12:47 PM	#26
tranza ICQ: 197-556-237 Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: BRASIL !!! Posts: 57,559	Who is paying $225 PPS???? __________________ I'm just a newbie.

10-13-2006, 12:58 PM	#27
RawAlex So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: In a house. Posts: 9,465	Tranza, pussycash is $50-$100 a sale, plus $125 per day bonus if you beat the number they set for you... so if you are high enough up the scale that coule run $225 per sale (in theory). Okay, here is my take: The cam programs pay for the signup ONCE. After that, they never, ever, ever pay for that member again, even if they come back 1 or 2 years later. Effectively, they are buying out ownership of the member for life. When you consider that the bigger places have millions of members (I seem to remember pussycash suggesting 3 - 5 million members). As a result, your click thru traffic is likely made up of a certain percentage of existing members, or people who have signed up before... they aren't going to pay you when these people spend more money, they already own the member. It is one of the reasons why payouts are high and conversions are low. New members are harder to find, and the older members are already bought and paid for. As Pleasurepays says, it takes a while for them to get there, but places like cams.com and pussycash are way past the swing point, and are now on the gravy side of the game... so paying a whole pile of cash for a signup isn't as difficult when you have that many people in your system that have long since been paid for. (We have to stop agreeing like this... the old O people are going to be laughing) Alex

10-13-2006, 01:08 PM	#28
jayeff Confirmed User Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 2,944	A few people are getting a bit carried away. I started promoting live cams back in '97, I have seen the big spenders and made lots of money from cams. But talking in terms of $500 per average customer is either seriously over the top or else every revshare cam sponsor out there (including cams.com) has been screwing its customers for years. That apart, the topic is a little naive, because we really can have no idea whether the payout is affordable, only possible with shaving, or simply set to buy market share.

10-13-2006, 03:17 PM	#31
ChatCash_Rob Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 749	Good Read. It's my opinion that webmasters who promote cams solely always go with revshare anyway. Comments? __________________ www.chatcash.com ...coming soon! icq # 131127104 rob{AT}chatcash

10-13-2006, 04:19 PM	#32
Elli Reach for those stars! Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 17,991	This is why we encourage people to send to the revshare program. You make more money over time, for sure. But then the $105 per sale specials are pretty cool to take advantage of, too. __________________ email: [email protected]

10-13-2006, 04:43 PM	#34
RawAlex So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: In a house. Posts: 9,465	Now could you imagine how much better you would feel if you could have gotten that 180,000 to go to the other sponsor? That would be 220 more $40 signups you would have in your pocket compared with the, what, $525 you got elsewhere? Alex

10-13-2006, 05:41 PM	#36
RawAlex So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: In a house. Posts: 9,465	bumping this up for more comments and maybe someone from iwantu or pussycash would want to drop in and bless us with an opinion.