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Old 10-09-2006, 10:15 AM   #51
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DMT makes acid look lame..
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Saying that a DMT experience allows you to talk with real aliens is the same as saying that your dreams are real. It's just brain chemistry being experimented on.

Not saying that it isn't a fun trip, but why do people have to sell it for more than it actually is? The mind is interesting enough without having to add grey headed goblins into the mix.
see i dont like how humans look at things so black and white, our entire existence is obviously not black and white.

humans in general are stupid creatures who for some reason think they understand the universe, we really have no idea and i do not think we even have the brain capacity to understand it.

the reason why people say it is different is because most drugs you would have different illusions from all other people taking it, where DMT people who remember the trip all report similar expieriences.

it is believed by some scientists that humans were just like any other APE and then we discovered DMT accidently and by using the drug we were taking into a whole other dimension, and this is when humans started to create art, and believe in an afterlife.

why not explore it if it maybe was the building block for what we see/understand today?

i have not tried it so i do not know but i read about it for like 2 hours yesterday because i find these kinds of subjects very interesting, i am going to try it and go from there.
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Saying that a DMT experience allows you to talk with real aliens is the same as saying that your dreams are real. It's just brain chemistry being experimented on.

Not saying that it isn't a fun trip, but why do people have to sell it for more than it actually is? The mind is interesting enough without having to add grey headed goblins into the mix.


spoken like someone who hasnt tried it
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Old 10-09-2006, 01:00 PM   #54
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Check it out - this site explains how to "grow your own" - not a quick or easy process but for anyone who doesn't have a source for this, it might be your best bet

http://peyote.com/jonstef/dmt.htm
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question, how do they know this stuff is secreted right before death?????
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question, how do they know this stuff is secreted right before death?????
they probably have ways of telling when they have a person hooked up to a bunch of medical shit when they're dying in a hospital. some shit like that...or some experiments or something...
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people wandering about dmt might as well research salvia divorioum, yahuaska (spelling?)
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as dmt, salvia has similar effect - very intense trip lasting 5-15min out of this reality.

MetaMan you said brain produces dmt at the moment of death - i think you got that wrong, its always in humans brain. as joe rogan put it - it makes us dream, although sienticifally i don't think its role has been established yet.
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anyone got more info?
Terence Mckenna wrote/lectured alot about that stuff.
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Old 10-09-2006, 11:25 PM   #62
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i have been studying this shit like mad for 2 days straight it is really mind boggling.
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i have been studying this shit like mad for 2 days straight it is really mind boggling.
me too, i wanna do this shit...

i've done acid and shrooms before so i'm pretty sure i can handle it just fine...
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Old 10-10-2006, 09:39 AM   #64
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i have been studying this shit like mad for 2 days straight it is really mind boggling.



the humans-are-a-virus thing rogan was talking about was very interesting, did u catch that ?
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people wandering about dmt might as well research salvia divorioum, yahuaska (spelling?)
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as dmt, salvia has similar effect - very intense trip lasting 5-15min out of this reality.

MetaMan you said brain produces dmt at the moment of death - i think you got that wrong, its always in humans brain. as joe rogan put it - it makes us dream, although sienticifally i don't think its role has been established yet.
saliva and dmt are not similar in any way. saliva lasts about 2 mins and you dont get anywhere near the visual effects that you do with dmt
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i have been studying this shit like mad for 2 days straight it is really mind boggling.
please share the info, links, anything
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now this is extremely interesting....
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Saying that a DMT experience allows you to talk with real aliens is the same as saying that your dreams are real. It's just brain chemistry being experimented on.

Not saying that it isn't a fun trip, but why do people have to sell it for more than it actually is? The mind is interesting enough without having to add grey headed goblins into the mix.
Thanks...i was about to post this before i saw your post. Its amazing that you are the first person in this thread who actually mentions this.
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spoken like someone who hasnt tried it
So your dreams are also true?
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if anyone is really curious about dmt and shit, grab this cd, turn down the lights, and blast it

http://www.cduniverse.com/search/xx/...+Dreamtime.htm

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http://deoxy.org/t_adt.htm
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if anyone is really curious about dmt and shit, grab this cd, turn down the lights, and blast it

http://www.cduniverse.com/search/xx/...+Dreamtime.htm

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people wandering about dmt might as well research salvia divorioum, yahuaska (spelling?)
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MetaMan you said brain produces dmt at the moment of death - i think you got that wrong, its always in humans brain. as joe rogan put it - it makes us dream, although sienticifally i don't think its role has been established yet.
Yup, Salvia
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sounds like some serious stuff.. maybe they could add small amounts to budweiser! can you imagine what the pub would be like!
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totally different things... how can all these people who never meet have the same experiences?


please dont try it, its not for you
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totally different things... how can all these people who never meet have the same experiences?


please dont try it, its not for you
If i punch you in the face it gives a certain feeling. A feeling someone on the other side of the planet also will experience.

Not for me hahaha. Sounds like i can handle that shit better than you you fucking emo hippie.
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If i punch you in the face it gives a certain feeling. A feeling someone on the other side of the planet also will experience.

Not for me hahaha. Sounds like i can handle that shit better than you you fucking emo hippie.


yeah, ok, you win im a big emo hippie, you can ask anyone who knows me
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Iowasca is the hallucinagen that causes the same trip in everyone who takes it.

DMT is one of the components of the powder that the yanomano tribespeople blow up each other's noses to have mystical experiences.

DMT used to be referred to in my day as "the businessman's lunch" because you could take it and come down completely in 15 to 30 minutes and experience a very unique clarity.

It is powerful and should not be taken without spiritual guidence imo.

I met T. McKenna back in the day and still own a few of his lectures on tape. There is a bunch of his stuff available in the Pacifica Archives.

20 plus years of being a Dead fan did provide some education into these subjects...
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Iowasca is the hallucinagen that causes the same trip in everyone who takes it.

DMT is one of the components of the powder that the yanomano tribespeople blow up each other's noses to have mystical experiences.

DMT used to be referred to in my day as "the businessman's lunch" because you could take it and come down completely in 15 to 30 minutes and experience a very unique clarity.

It is powerful and should not be taken without spiritual guidence imo.

I met T. McKenna back in the day and still own a few of his lectures on tape. There is a bunch of his stuff available in the Pacifica Archives.

20 plus years of being a Dead fan did provide some education into these subjects...

they also use Iowasca to cure drug addiction
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I had a guy walk up to me at an outdoor rave one time and hand me a handful of mushrooms and told me to "drink this"

i did it

i asked him a few minutes later what I just took, and he said Iowasca

it was an interesting night for sure...at one point I closed my eyes, my body raised up above the field and I walked the entire length of the trail going through the field with my eyes closed, it was a winding trail about 1/4 of a mile long
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saliva and dmt are not similar in any way. saliva lasts about 2 mins and you dont get anywhere near the visual effects that you do with dmt
im sure they are different as everything else is different from each other ;)
i bought salvia up as it maybe in some way an alternative to dmt if one looking for "out of this world" expirience as dmt is very difficult to come by at least in some places. and again i understand you cannot replace one thing or expirience with something else.

from my understanding both salvia and dmt is very intence, maybe psychologically overwhelming and many people who did one or the other would never come back to either one of them for the second time (these people i speak of are regular psychodelics users who thought nothing can shock them or scare them to death)
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how do these "ancient peoples" even figure out this stuff exist in grass in the first place ??
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I've used DMT a few times over my years. I must say it is without doubt the hardest trip I've ever experienced.

I didn't speak with aliens but I had some pretty intense experiences. Don't ever do DMT with people with bad acne is all I can say.
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im sure they are different as everything else is different from each other ;)
i bought salvia up as it maybe in some way an alternative to dmt if one looking for "out of this world" expirience as dmt is very difficult to come by at least in some places. and again i understand you cannot replace one thing or expirience with something else.

from my understanding both salvia and dmt is very intence, maybe psychologically overwhelming and many people who did one or the other would never come back to either one of them for the second time (these people i speak of are regular psychodelics users who thought nothing can shock them or scare them to death)
Salvia is intense but in a different way. I don't like the stuff really, too hard to get high and its very messy.

But I guess I'm getting old and just don't do any of that stuff these days.
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how do these "ancient peoples" even figure out this stuff exist in grass in the first place ??


the aliens told them!
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DOC or DOT will fuk u up.... too bad it really hasn't made a presence in FL
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DOC or DOT will fuk u up.... too bad it really hasn't made a presence in FL
I fucking LOVE DOC...15 hours long, and it was still pretty intense as we were going to sleep
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I fucking LOVE DOC...15 hours long, and it was still pretty intense as we were going to sleep

what is this "DOC" you speak of?
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what is this "DOC" you speak of?
a fairly new hallucenigenic

http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/doc/doc.shtml

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