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Morphius · 10-05-2006, 03:31 PM

Question: many of the sponsors that I promote are moving to NATS. They all used to be under CCbill. The problem is that all of them are choosing $100 minimum commission before they cut the checks. Why should I move with them under NUTS? Or is it possible to have one account to all of them? Like the old CCbill? Can someone explain me, what is the point of this NATS? Between all the sponsors on my site, it will be very hard to make money. What do you think?

Aneros Josh · 10-05-2006, 03:33 PM

NATS=NO shaving

After Shock Media · 10-05-2006, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by FleshJosh

NATS=NO shaving

CCbill also means no shaving and no bad checks and no strange company that could run off with the money at any point in time.

Violetta · 10-05-2006, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by After Shock Media

CCbill also means no shaving and no bad checks and no strange company that could run off with the money at any point in time.

exactly!

DobermanB · 10-05-2006, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by After Shock Media

CCbill also means no shaving and no bad checks and no strange company that could run off with the money at any point in time.

Then what you saying is stick with sponsors that are with CCbill and fuck NATS?

After Shock Media · 10-05-2006, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by DobermanB

Then what you saying is stick with sponsors that are with CCbill and fuck NATS?

No. I just made a point.

Pete-KT · 10-05-2006, 03:44 PM

you can offer more to the affilaite with Nats. No shaving, More ad tools, custom material, more processors=(more sales)(cascades)

www.satancash.com

Juilan · 10-05-2006, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Morphius

Question: many of the sponsors that I promote are moving to NATS. They all used to be under CCbill. The problem is that all of them are choosing $100 minimum commission before they cut the checks. Why should I move with them under NUTS? Or is it possible to have one account to all of them? Like the old CCbill? Can someone explain me, what is the point of this NATS? Between all the sponsors on my site, it will be very hard to make money. What do you think?

Stay with CCBILL if making the minimum is a problem. NATS and spreading yourself thin can mean you are waiting on your sales money for a longer time. Like for instance I always have a rotating sum of 1K-2K between non-ccbill sponsors which I have not met the minimum for. Sucks? Yep. But hey they can invest my money to make better promo tools for me while I'm waiting to make the sales target with those particular sponsors.

DobermanB · 10-05-2006, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete-KT

you can offer more to the affilaite with Nats. No shaving, More ad tools, custom material, more processors=(more sales)(cascades)

www.satancash.com

I think the sponsor could do the same with CCbill and give us all the tools, I have a feeling the sponsor is trying to get out of paying money, unless you a big producer. That's why NATS will work for them.

RedShoe · 10-05-2006, 07:30 PM

Doberman, Morphius... NATS makes more sense for a lot of sponsors simply for the cascading billing as well as the ease of managing multiple sites.

Nats allows us to set up a cascade to completely maximize each potential sale. They hit one form and if that doesn't work out for them they go to another biller and another until one accepts them. And some billers have stronger billing methods than others. We have a less cancel check ratio with Biller "A" vs. Biller "B" So we'll put Biller "A" higher on the cascade over Biller "B" when it comes to checks. And the same goes for Credit Cards.

Adding sites to our programs couldn't be any easier than in NATS. The program admin tools make it a breeze to add sites into the program and manage the promo content.

It allows us to create different promotional tools that can all be tracked effeciently so you as an affiliate will see what works for you and what doesn't.

As far as some strange company running off with your money in the night, that is just something you'll have to deal with on your own. You'll have to look at each company and see who runs the programs, and get to know them and build trust. All we have here are our reputations. Some programs are run by shady people. That's just the nature of this business. I see things in this industry that just simply do not apply in any other industry.

Not all program operators are scammers. There are a lot of honest people in this industry.

NATS helps push sales into the next level. One day there will be something better than NATS and for a while, it too will face opposition.

We at DigitalDope.com are using NATS and even though we're still in beta testing we're already seeing much more income than when we were just using CCBILL. Our affiliates are making more and so are we. It's a win-win.

squishypimp · 10-05-2006, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by After Shock Media

CCbill also means no shaving and no bad checks and no strange company that could run off with the money at any point in time.

interesting way to look at it.

MarkTiarra · 10-05-2006, 07:38 PM

I wanted to chime in here but RedShoe said it all. It offers more for the sponsor which means there is more for the affiliate too. I'm amazed at how under-utlizied NATS is by many people running programs too. There are little tricks and uses for it that can raise sales markedly which wins for everyone. Things like charting scrub rates on miltiple billers and flopping the primary and working join forms that have short entry barriers, etc...

In any case if your problem is rotating too many sponsors to hit the $100 minimum then you either have to move or you have to truncate your sponsor list in favor of the best performers.

RedShoe · 10-05-2006, 08:00 PM

I'd like to take this time to point out that Mark Tiarra designed our affiliate program. Mark did an awesome job.

Nubiles · 10-05-2006, 08:15 PM

See if the sponsor will let you continue to promote with just ccbill.

vvq · 10-05-2006, 08:24 PM

NATS is the way to go.

gandalfuy · 10-24-2006, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by vvq

NATS is the way to go.

u said it!

teksonline · 10-24-2006, 03:33 PM

NO SHAVING? Please, thats horrible branding practice, and quite illegal I would believe. If you can shave you're ass, you can shave Nats... That might work better

Big Red Machine · 10-24-2006, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by teksonline

NO SHAVING? Please, thats horrible branding practice, and quite illegal I would believe. If you can shave you're ass, you can shave Nats... That might work better

If caught you will be outed.
I'm sure you heard of or saw some Big Threads around here. Its more that it will not be tolerated. In that way I think affiliates would perfer NATs being that their looking out for you....

TheSenator · 10-24-2006, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by FleshJosh

NATS=NO shaving

Here here

interracialtoons · 10-24-2006, 05:29 PM

I don't see how NATs can stop a sponsor from shaving.
There are pleny of ways to shave.

Say you send a hit to somedomain.com/index.php?nats=woieuwoie

They sponsor can easily insert a different referal code on a random basis with the php code. Or they can use SSI.

Look at my site dontfuckherdude.com I use SSI to insert the resller code and can put any code I want there. for example if a user code is not recognized(meaning garbage is attached to the link) I put in default referrl codes.

On the other hand with ccbill the affiliate uses a ccbill link and is tracked with cookies which cannot be changed by the sponsor.
There is a way to "try" to beat this, but it leaves an obvious trail for CCbill to investigate and it will be caught.

I hear a lot about cascading billing, but I never see a increase in my sales when a sponsor switches to NATS. Mostly sales appear to decline.
Hey, if a credit card doesn't work with one biller then that's enough reason for me not to even want the sale so cascading billing trying to push thru the sale doesn't acttract me. Just seems like a charge back waiting to happen.

In addition, I'm sure there are some surfers who do wht I did when I first got onto the internet...If the processor was not Epoch or CCbill, then I didn't sign up. I knew I could easily cancel with those processors without any bullshit.

Also, sponsors trying to push hosted galleries are going to lose some affiliates by not using ccbill which allows webmasters to combine all the sponsors into one account. if you use 20 nats sponsor galleries and split the sales with one sale per sponsor then you don't get paid yet. Under ccbill you would get paid from all 20 sponsors with this scenario.

Hollywood376 · 10-24-2006, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Morphius

Question: many of the sponsors that I promote are moving to NATS. They all used to be under CCbill. The problem is that all of them are choosing $100 minimum commission before they cut the checks. Why should I move with them under NUTS? Or is it possible to have one account to all of them? Like the old CCbill? Can someone explain me, what is the point of this NATS? Between all the sponsors on my site, it will be very hard to make money. What do you think?

We use NATS and we have our minimum payout set to $25. If I remember correctly, when we got NATS it was set to $100 as default. But it's possible to change. So consider sending some of your traffic our way....

Also, I agree with AfterShock that having a straight CCBill sponsor is a good way to insure that someone doesn't walk off with your money, ccbill just didnt have the tools that help us like NATS does. As a small business, those tools are essential. So hopefully track record can make up for the fact that we're not sending our checks straight from CCBill, even though they process for us. It's just not an option when you have the NATS software, or I'd do it that way.

Adam_M · 10-24-2006, 05:50 PM

$100 minimum commission is not set by Nats

Both of our programs Wildcash and MovieProfits both are set at $50 minimum and on Nats.

As for the reason we choose Nats, we find it to be secure, user friendly and trusted along many other reasons.

Adam

RealityWife · 10-24-2006, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Adam_WildCash

$100 minimum commission is not set by Nats

As for the reason we choose Nats, we find it to be secure, user friendly and trusted along many other reasons.

Adam

Very True.

BluMedia · 10-24-2006, 06:27 PM

You want to use sponsors that use Nats or some sort of cascade billing because it improves your signups. About 20% of our surfers cascade to the 2nd biller and get approved. So by using a program with only one biller you lose signups. As for the minimum payout by default nats has it set at 100. We have lowered ours to 50.

Mark

The Ghost · 10-24-2006, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Morphius

Question: many of the sponsors that I promote are moving to NATS. They all used to be under CCbill. The problem is that all of them are choosing $100 minimum commission before they cut the checks. Why should I move with them under NUTS? Or is it possible to have one account to all of them? Like the old CCbill? Can someone explain me, what is the point of this NATS? Between all the sponsors on my site, it will be very hard to make money. What do you think?

Morphius,

As it's been mentioned NATS sponsors can set the minimum payout amount to anything. The $100 payout is the choice made by that program. Ours is $25 and a few sponsors are below the $100 payout.

Using NATS means that all of the accounting is being brought in house for the program. The program will be issuing all payments to affiliates (checks, wires, Epass) and if they are coming from CCBill they have NEVER had to do this before. This is a big reason a few programs are hesistant to make the switch.

And all programs can make exceptions and issue payouts at ANY time, regardless of minimums. Whether they do or not is up to the individual program.

10-05-2006, 03:31 PM	#1
Morphius Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 1,005	Serious question about NATS Question: many of the sponsors that I promote are moving to NATS. They all used to be under CCbill. The problem is that all of them are choosing $100 minimum commission before they cut the checks. Why should I move with them under NUTS? Or is it possible to have one account to all of them? Like the old CCbill? Can someone explain me, what is the point of this NATS? Between all the sponsors on my site, it will be very hard to make money. What do you think?

10-05-2006, 07:30 PM	#10
RedShoe 赤い靴 call me 202-456-1111 Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: The Valley Posts: 14,831	Doberman, Morphius... NATS makes more sense for a lot of sponsors simply for the cascading billing as well as the ease of managing multiple sites. Nats allows us to set up a cascade to completely maximize each potential sale. They hit one form and if that doesn't work out for them they go to another biller and another until one accepts them. And some billers have stronger billing methods than others. We have a less cancel check ratio with Biller "A" vs. Biller "B" So we'll put Biller "A" higher on the cascade over Biller "B" when it comes to checks. And the same goes for Credit Cards. Adding sites to our programs couldn't be any easier than in NATS. The program admin tools make it a breeze to add sites into the program and manage the promo content. It allows us to create different promotional tools that can all be tracked effeciently so you as an affiliate will see what works for you and what doesn't. As far as some strange company running off with your money in the night, that is just something you'll have to deal with on your own. You'll have to look at each company and see who runs the programs, and get to know them and build trust. All we have here are our reputations. Some programs are run by shady people. That's just the nature of this business. I see things in this industry that just simply do not apply in any other industry. Not all program operators are scammers. There are a lot of honest people in this industry. NATS helps push sales into the next level. One day there will be something better than NATS and for a while, it too will face opposition. We at DigitalDope.com are using NATS and even though we're still in beta testing we're already seeing much more income than when we were just using CCBILL. Our affiliates are making more and so are we. It's a win-win. __________________ SPECIALTY COSTUMES • PROPS • FX Superheroes • Monsters • Robots PM for details For any manufacturing needs. Adult or otherwise. aka BonsHigh on Insta Bonsai weed plants

10-05-2006, 07:38 PM	#12
MarkTiarra Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: NJ Posts: 3,833	I wanted to chime in here but RedShoe said it all. It offers more for the sponsor which means there is more for the affiliate too. I'm amazed at how under-utlizied NATS is by many people running programs too. There are little tricks and uses for it that can raise sales markedly which wins for everyone. Things like charting scrub rates on miltiple billers and flopping the primary and working join forms that have short entry barriers, etc... In any case if your problem is rotating too many sponsors to hit the $100 minimum then you either have to move or you have to truncate your sponsor list in favor of the best performers. __________________ Retired Pornosticator

10-05-2006, 08:00 PM	#13
RedShoe 赤い靴 call me 202-456-1111 Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: The Valley Posts: 14,831	I'd like to take this time to point out that Mark Tiarra designed our affiliate program. Mark did an awesome job. __________________ SPECIALTY COSTUMES • PROPS • FX Superheroes • Monsters • Robots PM for details For any manufacturing needs. Adult or otherwise. aka BonsHigh on Insta Bonsai weed plants

10-05-2006, 08:15 PM	#14
Nubiles Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Tempe, AZ Posts: 1,496	See if the sponsor will let you continue to promote with just ccbill. __________________ NUBILES.NET : Hosted galleries with thumbs and descriptions \| nn galleries \| Hosted free sites \| 3 new girls shot each week \| Icq 143674274

10-05-2006, 03:33 PM	#2
Aneros Josh Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 2,038	NATS=NO shaving

10-05-2006, 03:44 PM	#7
Pete-KT Workin With The Devil Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: West Bloomfield, MI Posts: 51,532	you can offer more to the affilaite with Nats. No shaving, More ad tools, custom material, more processors=(more sales)(cascades) www.satancash.com

10-05-2006, 08:24 PM	#15
vvq Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: TrafficGigolos.com Posts: 2,732	NATS is the way to go. __________________ SQUIRTING - LESBIAN SPANKING - TITTY FUCKING - WET PANTIES - MORE We offer free hosting, your own designer (works for free), and unsaturated content for gallery and free site submitters. Just contact me! E-mail: [email protected]

10-24-2006, 03:33 PM	#17
teksonline So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: At My Desk Posts: 2,904	NO SHAVING? Please, thats horrible branding practice, and quite illegal I would believe. If you can shave you're ass, you can shave Nats... That might work better

10-24-2006, 05:29 PM	#20
interracialtoons Confirmed User Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1,910	I don't see how NATs can stop a sponsor from shaving. There are pleny of ways to shave. Say you send a hit to somedomain.com/index.php?nats=woieuwoie They sponsor can easily insert a different referal code on a random basis with the php code. Or they can use SSI. Look at my site dontfuckherdude.com I use SSI to insert the resller code and can put any code I want there. for example if a user code is not recognized(meaning garbage is attached to the link) I put in default referrl codes. On the other hand with ccbill the affiliate uses a ccbill link and is tracked with cookies which cannot be changed by the sponsor. There is a way to "try" to beat this, but it leaves an obvious trail for CCbill to investigate and it will be caught. I hear a lot about cascading billing, but I never see a increase in my sales when a sponsor switches to NATS. Mostly sales appear to decline. Hey, if a credit card doesn't work with one biller then that's enough reason for me not to even want the sale so cascading billing trying to push thru the sale doesn't acttract me. Just seems like a charge back waiting to happen. In addition, I'm sure there are some surfers who do wht I did when I first got onto the internet...If the processor was not Epoch or CCbill, then I didn't sign up. I knew I could easily cancel with those processors without any bullshit. Also, sponsors trying to push hosted galleries are going to lose some affiliates by not using ccbill which allows webmasters to combine all the sponsors into one account. if you use 20 nats sponsor galleries and split the sales with one sale per sponsor then you don't get paid yet. Under ccbill you would get paid from all 20 sponsors with this scenario. __________________ Done.

10-24-2006, 05:50 PM	#22
Adam_M Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Australia Posts: 3,800	$100 minimum commission is not set by Nats Both of our programs Wildcash and MovieProfits both are set at $50 minimum and on Nats. As for the reason we choose Nats, we find it to be secure, user friendly and trusted along many other reasons. Adam __________________ DiscountedPorn.Com ReviewedPorn.com

10-24-2006, 06:27 PM	#24
BluMedia Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Colorado Posts: 3,973	You want to use sponsors that use Nats or some sort of cascade billing because it improves your signups. About 20% of our surfers cascade to the 2nd biller and get approved. So by using a program with only one biller you lose signups. As for the minimum payout by default nats has it set at 100. We have lowered ours to 50. Mark __________________ IntenseCash - If you can't convert us then you might want to look for a new job . BrokeStraightBoys.com converting 1:124 stats counted by Nats Last edited by BluMedia; 10-24-2006 at 06:29 PM..