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Pathfinder · 06-29-2002, 08:44 AM

http://cbc.ca/stories/2002/06/28/bombing_report020628

The fact is the public may never know the whole truth and nothing but the truth about this bombing incident.

Having spent more than thirty years in the US Army, I am more than aware, that our military has, on more than one occassion, thrown our personal to the wolves. Usually this is done to polictically appease, but is sometimes done, to cover the asses of superior officers, in the chain of command.

Soldiers usually do not disobey orders, particularly those that are as well trained as our pilots are. I for one would like to see what rules of engagement they were provided, and what operational briefing they were provided, before their flight (official and unofficial). In addition I would like to see a transcript of the audio between their controller and themselves.

I personally think there is little chance that they knowingly disobeyed orders, but of course the small possibility does exist that they were cowboys and acted outside of the box.

SleazyDream · 06-29-2002, 08:47 AM

as a canadian I say it was just friendly fire, and in War this shit happens all the time.

I've heard that in WW2 more than 1 in 10 were killed from it, the numbers dropped as technology got better but it ALWAYS happens in war.

LoveAsianChicks · 06-29-2002, 08:55 AM

Friendly fire happens when you mistake your own forces (or any ally) as any enemy. Or you get the position mixed up and drop bombs in the wrong spot.

Its a bad mistake to make but it does happen.
This case is somewhat different because the pilot was told twice not to fire but he did anyways & disobyed orders.
Rightly so he will be punished.
Both the Canadian & American investigation found the pilot is responsible.

If he was given permission to fire then it would be a different case - what we have a fucking cowboy or rogue pilot & he will be punished.

Pathfinder · 06-29-2002, 09:09 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by LoveAsianChicks
Friendly fire happens when you mistake your own forces (or any ally) as any enemy. Or you get the position mixed up and drop bombs in the wrong spot.

Its a bad mistake to make but it does happen.
This case is somewhat different because the pilot was told twice not to fire but he did anyways & disobyed orders.
Rightly so he will be punished.
Both the Canadian & American investigation found the pilot is responsible.

If he was given permission to fire then it would be a different case - what we have a fucking cowboy or rogue pilot & he will be punished.

You do not know what the pilot was told. You know what is being reported in the press. The press does not know what he was told. They only print what they are told.

As I have already stated the public may not ever know the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

LoveAsianChicks · 06-29-2002, 09:12 AM

your right your right.

jimmyf · 06-29-2002, 09:33 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Pathfinder

You do not know what the pilot was told. You know what is being reported in the press. The press does not know what he was told. They only print what they are told.

As I have already stated the public may not ever know the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

Or will know the truth like 50 years later.... and that's a big if

I saw shit when I was in the Army that would make your
hair stand on end..... And Pathfinder was in a lot longer than me
and am sure A WHOLE LOT higher rank..

Fuck I use to do some pretty bad stuff all by my lone some,
and still made E-5 in an Airbone unit... which is called a srtick unit.

I should have spent time in jail.. more than once..

The Sgt. Major and 2 or 3 first Sgt.s like me.... Did a few thing's for them.... When I went before the board for E-5 I got ask one question... by a first Sgt.. that didn't know me.... And the Sgt. Major told him I didn't have to know that...

What am saying is yes they cover there ass's big time.... Upper ranks... And do throw people to the dogs......

Just like life on the outside.... It's Who you know....

playa · 06-29-2002, 09:56 AM

this is the classic example of communication channels not going down to everyone that needs to know,,,,

happens all the time,,, unfortunately lives were lost,,,

cherrylula · 06-29-2002, 10:02 AM

There are more atrocious events occurring worldwide.

This event just happens to be something the media can make the most $$$ on.

It is very sad, but they only show us what they want us to see.

Pathfinder · 06-29-2002, 12:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SleazyDream
as a canadian I say it was just friendly fire, and in War this shit happens all the time.

I've heard that in WW2 more than 1 in 10 were killed from it, the numbers dropped as technology got better but it ALWAYS happens in war.

Some of the time loss by friendly fire is intentional. In Korea for example when there was a frontal attack, artillery was used to keep the heads of the enemy down as the attacking forces advanced. The artillery would not be lifted until those in the front ranks began to fall. The theory being that the loss of a few, meant a better chance for the attack to succeed, by allowing the main attacking force cover for the longest period of time.

Not all Commanders subsribed to this, but some did. I was there.

toddler · 06-29-2002, 03:43 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Pathfinder

Some of the time loss by friendly fire is intentional. In Korea for example when there was a frontal attack, artillery was used to keep the heads of the enemy down as the attacking forces advanced. The artillery would not be lifted until those in the front ranks began to fall. The theory being that the loss of a few, meant a better chance for the attack to succeed, by allowing the main attacking force cover for the longest period of time.

Not all Commanders subsribed to this, but some did. I was there.

2 handy little phrases i live by:

Common sense isn't.

&

Friendly fire isn't.

For a long time i wanted to be in the military, and i'm pretty much a pacifist. However, my eyes are way too bad to get in. I don't know how i would react, if i were a commander, and was given an order to do what you've stated above. I just don't know....t

Pathfinder · 06-29-2002, 09:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by toddler

2 handy little phrases i live by:

Common sense isn't.

&

Friendly fire isn't.

For a long time i wanted to be in the military, and i'm pretty much a pacifist. However, my eyes are way too bad to get in. I don't know how i would react, if i were a commander, and was given an order to do what you've stated above. I just don't know....t

War is just a dirty affair.

06-29-2002, 08:44 AM	#1
Pathfinder theking of trailer parks Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Tehachapi, California Posts: 2,290	The Truth About the Bombing: http://cbc.ca/stories/2002/06/28/bombing_report020628 The fact is the public may never know the whole truth and nothing but the truth about this bombing incident. Having spent more than thirty years in the US Army, I am more than aware, that our military has, on more than one occassion, thrown our personal to the wolves. Usually this is done to polictically appease, but is sometimes done, to cover the asses of superior officers, in the chain of command. Soldiers usually do not disobey orders, particularly those that are as well trained as our pilots are. I for one would like to see what rules of engagement they were provided, and what operational briefing they were provided, before their flight (official and unofficial). In addition I would like to see a transcript of the audio between their controller and themselves. I personally think there is little chance that they knowingly disobeyed orders, but of course the small possibility does exist that they were cowboys and acted outside of the box. Last edited by Pathfinder; 06-29-2002 at 09:39 AM..

06-29-2002, 08:47 AM	#2
SleazyDream I'm here for SPORT Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phone # (401) 285-0696 Posts: 41,470	as a canadian I say it was just friendly fire, and in War this shit happens all the time. I've heard that in WW2 more than 1 in 10 were killed from it, the numbers dropped as technology got better but it ALWAYS happens in war. __________________ This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog! Now read without the word dog.

06-29-2002, 08:55 AM	#3
LoveAsianChicks Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: -CANADA- Posts: 1,464	Friendly fire happens when you mistake your own forces (or any ally) as any enemy. Or you get the position mixed up and drop bombs in the wrong spot. Its a bad mistake to make but it does happen. This case is somewhat different because the pilot was told twice not to fire but he did anyways & disobyed orders. Rightly so he will be punished. Both the Canadian & American investigation found the pilot is responsible. If he was given permission to fire then it would be a different case - what we have a fucking cowboy or rogue pilot & he will be punished. Last edited by LoveAsianChicks; 06-29-2002 at 08:57 AM..

06-29-2002, 09:12 AM	#5
LoveAsianChicks Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: -CANADA- Posts: 1,464	your right your right.

06-29-2002, 09:56 AM	#7
playa Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: atlanta, GA Posts: 6,432	this is the classic example of communication channels not going down to everyone that needs to know,,,, happens all the time,,, unfortunately lives were lost,,,

06-29-2002, 10:02 AM	#8
cherrylula lol Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 15,969	There are more atrocious events occurring worldwide. This event just happens to be something the media can make the most $$$ on. It is very sad, but they only show us what they want us to see.