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50 people still thinking about 9.11.......

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hershie

We just had this discussion a few days ago on GFY: http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...=654540&page=1

EZRhino

I love these sites, all conjecture and in their opinion nothing is true all is a lie. Even when shown evidence, they have to say its fabricated.

DaddyHalbucks

The only people pushing the 9/11 conspiracy theory are diehard leftists and obscure academics craving media attention.

Watch the NOVA video about the collapse of the Twin Towers. There is no doubt about what happened that day.

If you watch the video of the building collapse frame by frame, you can actually see the moment the building trusses fail.

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Scootermuze

While others come out yelling, "Wacos" at anyone who doesn't agree with the, "official" report.. Which is riddled with, "could have's", "may have's", "will require further study".. Yep.. a report with all the answers..

notabook

Bill Clinton Getting a Blowjob: Investigation took $50 million dollars to prove that men like blowjobs.

9/11 Commission Report: Investigation took $3 million dollars to uh… WHAT? 3 million dollars??? A blowjob investigation gets 50 million and the 9/11 commission report gets a measly 3 million? Jesus fucking christ no wonder so many conspiracy nuts are out there.

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I think the friendly countries have secret projects that they are protecting and it have been possible for all of the people in the two towers to have been "pulled" out by a ultra high point to point energy transport system(s) through an "alternative space" project... and that such people memories were deleted for national security reason and given new identities...

Why do you think the other building came down... because that was the end point for the point to point transfer... and it was done to cover up the technologies...

If you don't think the government don't do shit like that then check out the militery doing experiments on the civilians...

I'm not saying that there was actual wrong doing by any friendly counties military forces...

If such technology does actuallly exists then there should be flashes of light comming out of the towers around the time the planes crashed into them...

Do I believe in conspiracy theories NO !!!

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rodney25

All I know is that on September 9, 2001, two buildings went down along with hundreds of innocent lives..

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EZRhino

That yelling has gone 2 ways and more over the conspiracy side has yelled the loudest by far. With very weak arguments. There will never be a report to satisfy everyone.

StuBradley

Okay, I figured I would take the time to check this out since I had heard this article mentioned in the past (but I had not seen the link). I get to the third page of the article and I see this:

Now I know this is total BS. It's not even close. It IS standard procedure to scramble jets when a comercial plane stops responding. As for Payne Stewarts plane it was only 16 minutes from the time they lost radio contact until the military jets had caught up with the plane. Here is the actual accident brief from the NTSB:

http://www.ntsb.gov/Publictn/2000/aab0001.htm


So where did Popular Mechanics get their information on this stuff. It obviously wasn't from very reliable sources.

As for 'consiracy theories' I generally laugh at them. I am usually with 12clicks and the gang posting pictures of nerds in tinfoil hats. But there is something wrong with the way the towers fell.

Although I did not get a degree, I did study structural engineering at NDSU for a few years (on an academic scholarship from a building association in MN). I can say with everything that I have learned that those towers would have withstood a lot worse than what happened on September 11th.

And THEN there is WTC Building 7. Not even the 9-11 comission would touch this one. The building has two small fires burning in one corner and then it magically (and quite symetrically) implodes into dust from the roof down.

Please let me say that I do NOT think the goverment planned this. But the fact that they did not want to investigate the biggest crime (terrorism is a crime) in our country's history makes you wonder who they are protecting.

When a jetliner crashes killing 127 people on board, the scene is usually disected and the pieces are studied carefully for 4 or 5 years so that we can find out what went wrong and maybe prevent if from happening again. But when a skyscraper crumbles to the ground (twice in one day) after being hit by a plane shouldn't we comb through the debris to find out why the building failed structurally? Wouldn't this information be extremely valuable (priceless actually) to the engineering comunity? But they couldn't get the debris out of there fast enough.

Like I said, I am not a conspiracy theory kind of guy. But when something is so obvious just makes you think. Actually it makes me sick to my stomach.

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i really do believe the government had a hand in it too...

Phoenix

september what?

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E$_manager

I can believe in anything, but that doesn't mean it is true. I heard so many theories, that now i feel useless to talk about that.

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12clicks

another example of wasted money on people without the ability to learn.

Your betters explained in fine detail how the towers fell. You're no better than a 1st grader explaining how, with what he learned in science class, you don't think albert einstein is right

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Phoenix

what makes who better?

can you honestly declare that you really believe those huge tall buildings just fell straight down on top of each other at the speed of gravity?
i mean..all the other shit aside...doesnt that catch you off guard a tiny bit?
or that there were no steel girders sticking up very high? they probably should have beeb still up like 70 floors or so.

i mean lets not put any blame on anyone...just those little things...dont hey bring more questions?

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ObnoxiousBitch

To answer the original question... "Conspiracy" theories, no. I do think, however, that 9/11 couldn't have come at a better time for the neo-cons, and they've capitalized on it in every way possible. Whodathunk?

All that said, I agree that these questions are much more important than getting the gory details of the most powerful man on the planet getting his knob slobbered, for fuck's sake.

People are nuts.

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12clicks

uh, experienced engineers with more schooling are better than a porn slinger wih limited schooling and no experience.

yes. yes I can.
I await your links to other 1300 foot tall buildings that were hit by planes and fell differently.


no, they really don't.
Having watched it live, and having rational thought, I know exactly what happened.

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The very next paragraph:



If I didn't like you so much 12clicks I would put this in my sig!

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If ineptitude is a conspiracy....then it's a conspiracy!

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Scootermuze

So true..

Scootermuze

They also said they found dna from the hijackers, but when asked what they had to compare it to in order to know it was from the hijackers, the guy had no clue.. but instead of just saying so, he tried to twist the conversation to make it sound as though he was being hoodwinked..
So yeh.. they had a number of not-so-right elements in their, "debunking" report..

Scootermuze

Why does that statement not surprise me...

Once again 12clicks has the answers when the engineers that did the so called investigation can't even come up with anything other than speculation and opinions..

He saw it live and has rational thought so that's all that's required.. damn.. why didn't those guys think of that.. Maybe you should drop em' a memo..

SacredGate

this was a little funny but please read the text in this images
http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m...gheart/911.jpg

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I agree with 12clicks.

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i havent heard really any full fledged conspiracy theories yet, just unanswered questions.. some of them are pretty easy too. like lets see the real footage of the pentagon crash , caught on several security cameras pointed directly at the point of impact

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ronaldo

That's what most conspiracies are based on...unanswered questions. I've said it before and I'll say it again...just because a question can't be answered, doesn't make a conspiracy likely. I'd be MORE likely to believe in a conspiracy if the government could answer EVERYTHING definitively.

You're right, in that if the government was more forthcoming with some "Classified" information, it would help answer some questions. Their unwillingness to do this however, is directly responsible for fuelling most of the speculation (I say most because a lot of people would still shout conspiracy no matter WHAT they were shown).

pocketkangaroo

Does it ever seem weird that all the evidence that it was a conspiracy comes from YouTube?

SmokeyTheBear

for the record i think for the most part everything went down basically like they said it did..

I think the cia had operatives that were aware of a plot and let it go down but i dont think they had any great details about it.. i think they know more than they do but freaked because nobody expected it to go down like it did.. i think whomever knew about it is also somehow involved in the anthrax ( bet you almost forgot about the anthrax ( just a hunch )

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yes and no. i dont think they were in on it but i think they knew something really big was going to happen on that day. but didn't know exactly how to prevent it.

L0rdJuni0r

I believe it to a certain extent. i believe Bush knew about it and did nothing cuz it would be good for him, money wise. I hate that cocksmooch with a passion!

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there is your answer to the word 'conspiracy' - idiots.

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12clicks

lacking rational thought, you laugh at it.

fact: planes hit the buildings
fact: massive fire on the floors where the planes hit
fact: the buildings started to collapse at the point of impact with the plane

nut job theory: a controlled demolition, not a plane crash took down the towers.


I guess the demo guys knew which floor the plane would hit and planted their explosives in the same spot.

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nope.....

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12clicks

also, the above is a lie.

A federal technical building and fire safety investigation of the collapses of the Twin Towers and 7 WTC has been conducted by the United States Department of Commerce's National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST). The goals of this investigation, completed on April 6, 2005, were to investigate the building construction, the materials used, and the technical conditions that contributed to the outcome of the WTC disaster. The investigation was to serve as the basis for:
Improvements in the way in which buildings are designed, constructed, maintained, and used
Improved tools and guidance for industry and safety officials
Revisions to building and fire codes, standards, and practices
Improved public safety
The report concludes that the fireproofing on the Twin Towers' steel infrastructures was blown off by the initial impact of the planes and that, if this had not occurred, the towers would likely have remained standing. The fires weakened the trusses supporting the floors, making the floors sag. The sagging floors pulled on the exterior steel columns to the point where exterior columns bowed inward. With the damage to the core columns, the buckling exterior columns could no longer support the buildings, causing them to collapse. In addition, the report asserts that the towers' stairwells were not adequately reinforced to provide emergency escape for people above the impact zones.

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Not true. There was a vast conspiracy within the White House and the Democratic Party to coverup Clinton's crimes.

Clinton should have been removed from office for his crimes.

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well there are loads of conspiracy's, do u mean one in particular?

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Phoenix

hey i have a B.Sc. Mathematics (honours) and i graduated with standing, meaning near the top of my class...and i can tell you the physics we took was quite a bit above what the engineers at my school were taking. They focused on application of equations...here is the variable here is the input for the variable..please subsitute the numbers in and give us your answer..lol
sound understanding of Physics those engineers got i'm sure..lol

I won't poke fun at your grammar as i know this is just an internet board and no one is really concerned with that. I know i sure AINT.

I do however doubt your rational thinking ability in this particular case. Where are theother huge buildings that fell over you ask? Well none ever have. However there are many examples of steel buildings going down..and none of them fell to the complete ruin of the WTC towers.

None of them prompted buildings beside them to also fall over(WTC 7).

None of them fell in on themselves acheving heat and intensity which you might only see when massive explosives go off or perhaps a Volcanic flow..lol

I understand your loyalty to your country and to it's leaders, it is perhaps even admirable. However i really think they got the better of you. I also believe you just don't want to believe the truth as it is quite ugly.


I'm not putting this on Goerge Bush...He is just a party guy..went to harvard partied it up with coke parties..He is probably a cool guy to hang with..lol

However the look on his face when he wwas reading that kids book was not...oh my god the horror...it was more like....those mother fuckers fucked me...in for a penny in for a pound...once he stole elections...he was an owned man..no way out

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haha is this Brandon?

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ronaldo

Dude, that's practically word for word Michael Moore's assessment of it in Farenheit 9/11. I think Moore raises some interesting questions in his movies, but you have to go beyond what he says and search for the other side of the argument and THEN decipher the truth. Believe it or not, Moore has an agenda too. (Some of the Bush/Middle East relationships are certainly disconcerting and further fuel the conspiracy theory, but SOME of them have been proven to be totally inaccurate datewise).

As for how Bush reacted? Should he have gone running from the room, arms flailing? He was in a room full of what, 7 year olds? While it doesn't look like his best moment, try seeing it from the OTHER side. He had a commitment to those children to act like the Commander in Chief and, like him or not (and I DON'T btw), he acted reasonably under the circumstances imo. After he got up to be briefed, the MEDIA started asking him questions in front of the children, who clearly had no idea what was going on. He showed a fuck of a lot more tact and concern for those children than the media did. HE told THEM that he'd discuss it in a few minutes. After being briefed, and presumably the children too, he came back and spoke to the nation. If anything, I think he showed a great deal of poise under extreme duress.

www.michaelmoorehatesamerica.com is a movie I want to see, and I'd be curious to see your take on THAT.

Phoenix

Michael moore is part of their political agenda...when asked for the real answeres he gives back he doesnt know....alex jones knows...i know...everyone here knows..but he wont come out and say it.

Fuck michael moore...he is a tool used by the powers that be.

you want an eye opener watch the clip of Michael Tsarion i gave you
yes it is 3.5 hours long..yes it is kinda deep and not the type of stuff most would watch..it sure isnt easy to digest. I think you will do well with it.
I wouldnt recomment to everyone as i guess their attention span would not be able to get past the first couple of big words he uses.

However if you want to start seeing the big picture....he is one who paints it nicely.

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ronaldo

I consider myself quite open to the other side of any argument, but I'm sorry Brad, that was absolutely the hardest thing I've ever tried to listen to. I admittedly only had it on in the background while I was working, but what I heard (and every time I clicked back to view it) was a bunch of philosophical and cultlike talk...vaguely referencing the Bush administration. I only had it on for 45 minutes or so, so maybe it got more comprehensive, but it was REALLY difficult to listen to. Or maybe it was something I needed to watch. Maybe I'll try again this weekend.

But, as much as I'M willing to listen and see BOTH sides of the story, are YOU?

Phoenix

yes of course i am always open to more information.
yet none has come out. Where is the investigation of the ruins...no explosive materials found..that would shut me up...where is that info?
footage of the pentagon..that would shut me up...but where is it?
im really waiting for these things...id gladly concede if i were to be shown one piece of conclusive evidence...however there is none that exists now.

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StuBradley

Are you serious? Explosives planted on the 80th floor will not bring a skyscraper down. What most of the public doesn't realize is that large buildings are built much differently than houses and smaller commercial buildings. The exterior of a skyscraper (also called a facade in the building world) is just a thin glass and steel wall that only SUPPORTS IT OWN WEIGHT. The weight (load) of all the floors is carried by the HUGE steel columns in the CORE of the building. Please note that the concrete floors DO NOT extend into this core.

Therefore what you have is 110 concrete 'donuts' suspended by this massive steel core. Now here is where it gets interesting. If the buildings did collapse because of pancaking floors (which is highly unlikely but possible) there would have been two 800-900 foot 'building cores' still standing as the floors would have pancaked AROUND these massive and undamaged steel cores.

http://science.howstuffworks.com/skyscraper2.htm

Now look at this frame by frame clip and you will see that the massive steel core of the buildings (watch the antenna tower closely) gave way first. This is 100% NOT POSSIBLE under the pancake theory.

One more thing. If you drop a slab of structural concrete 1000 feet it WILL shatter into a lot of small pieces when it impacts the ground. It will NOT be pulverized into a fine dust as was most of the concrete of the WTC towers. Considering that each floor actually only falls 10 feet (distance between any floor and the floor directly below it) and the towers were spewing massive amounts of this concrete dust AS THEY WERE FALLING you really have to suspend the laws of physics to believe this was a pancake collapse.

Oh yeah...and then there is building 7. You have to be an absolute tool to believe that was anything other than a controlled demolition. When it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck and the owner calls it a duck...it's probably a duck.

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Phoenix

thank you..nice post..but it is best to just trade insults with people here and leave logic at the door...as non of them are interested in seeing the logic

as once you do..you are faced with the realization that you have been had..in a big bad way

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Thead

Just found these links:

9/11 TIN FOIL HATS ARE MELTING

911 Case Study: Pentagon Flight 77

3-year building and fire safety investigation to study the collapse of the WTC Towers

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