Sad story about business with Conversion Cash - GoFuckYourself.com

TommyT · 06-26-2002, 08:14 AM

Hi to All!

I came to a decision to tell this sad story, because, to my mind, any honest web-master can suddenly find himself in a situation like this.

My name is Alex.

My friends and I own a few TGP, one of which is www.xx-pics.com.

We are in this business for more than 4 years, and we worked together with a number of various sponsors.

Few months ago I decided to advertize Conversion Cash www.conversioncash.com .
I communicated via ICQ with one of its owners, named Kris (his ICQ is 86228368 shown on Conversion Cash site)
He assured me that he had the best program , absolutely without shaving, and I place their links on my site.
I like to get money via wire transfer, and initially we came to an agreement that as soon as the amount, earned by me, reaches
$1000, he was going to wire transfer my money to me.
However, due to the fact that I was sending the main traffic to another sponsors, I did not want to wait the moment that the sum hits $1000, and I asked Kris to send me a check. 'No problem', he said. I changed my info and began to wait for the check.
What a surprise I felt, when, 2 days after my request about the check, I tried to enter my account and read the
following message:

Your account has been terminated for violation of the Conversion Cash terms of service.
You will not be paid.
You will not be allowed back in.
You may be reported to the appropriate authorities.
No exceptions will be made

I contacted Kris, but he said he did not know anything about it.
An three days later I received from him an explanation to that what happened, and this really shocked me.

He said that CCBill declared that I had been using false credit cards!!!

Here are some extracts from our talk:

Kris 25.06.20 20:42
your account was closed because CCBill told us you were using false credit cards

Alex 25.06.20 20:44
What ????
I used false credit cards ???
What is shit ???
Pls send to me mail from them.
I never used any false CC.

Kris 25.06.20 20:46
i didn't get mail from them...
they called us

Alex 25.06.20 20:48
And how mach false cc was used in my traffic?
And from what IPs?
And when it was?

Kris 25.06.20 20:49
i don't know.. i'll find out all this for you

Alex 25.06.20 21:10
Ok. I'll wait.
Sorry but u bring an serious accusation against
me but your explanation like "CCBill called" r
too empty.
Explanation like yours can be in school but not
in business.
It looks like u don't want to pay money.
I recommend u to have a better argument for
explain why u don't pay.

Kris 25.06.20 21:19
the only reply i get from ccbill is that this account was scamming... they won't tell me
anything else.. we can't do anything to change
the situation...

You can see from this that my account has been closed and the money, which I earned so hard,
Conversion Cash has appropriated without any reasonable explanations.

I understand that nobody of honest web-masters can be sure for 100% that the traffic, which he sends to the sponsor,
is absolutely clear of fucking carders.
And if the cases of using false CC are repeating, the web-master should accept measures and change the sources
of his traffic.

But this situation is absolutely different.
The main traffic from my site is being routed to the well-known and respected sponsor FlashCash.
I entered his program 2 years ago, in March 2000. And I am deeply satisfied with our cooperation.

I wrote to him a letter asking him to answer this question:

Have you any fraud (carding or other shit) from visitors I send to you?

Here is what Jason from FlashCash replied to me about my traffic:

Your fraud levels are low-medium.
There are a few dodgy transactions but only a very small %.

Some questions are arising:
- Why those carders, who came from me, do not use false cc on sites FlashCash,
but, so Kris, are using them on sites Conversion Cash, though the traffic, which I send to FlashCash, is 10 times bigger?
- And, all-in-all, why do they need to use false cc on site Conversion Cash, if they offer Free Trial ?

The answer to these questions is obvous: the lie, either Conversion Cash, or CCBill.

I don't care too much about my money, appropriated by Conversion Cash, but these accusations to my person, outrage me.

I appeal to all the honest web-masters, and I ask you to answer the following questions:

1. To your mind, who is the cheater: Conversion Cash or CCBill ?

2. Is Conversion Cash honest sponsor, if he did not pay out the money which I have earned?

3. What should the honest web-master do in the business with cheaters?

I thank everybody beforehand, those who is going to reply to my message.

Alex

Pipecrew · 06-26-2002, 08:37 AM

You're Russian arent you

Eric · 06-26-2002, 08:39 AM

All I can say is that I have never had a problem with Conversion Cash. Always paid on time and always been totally professional to work with. I will not comment on the other.

Thomas N · 06-26-2002, 08:45 AM

In my opinion you need to get ahold of CCBill and get an explanation. It would seem to me that if a sponsor is told by their processor that an affiliate is commiting fraud, there isn't much else they can do but believe them. I'd demand an explanation from the source which would seem to be the processor.

Also, I've only heard good stuff about conversion cash, and Hooper seems like a straight up good guy.

Thats my 2 cents.

shen_kid · 06-26-2002, 08:52 AM

russians don't equal cheaters
stop bitching man!!

there are so many guys named "mohammed" , are they gonna fucking bomb your house?? idiots!

Rocco · 06-26-2002, 08:54 AM

Humm a russian with a US adress...

Registrant:
Gardinterro Internet Supply
272w 16 str apt2056j
New York, NY 10011
US

Always funny it's not the first time

Pipecrew · 06-26-2002, 08:55 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by shen_kid
russians don't equal cheaters
stop bitching man!!

there are so many guys named "mohammed" , are they gonna fucking bomb your house?? idiots!

Where have you been? also guys named Mohammed are not threats, intill IBM makes computers from DIRT, I am pretty sure we are in the clear

Kris · 06-26-2002, 08:59 AM

Quote:

I contacted Kris, but he said he did not know anything about it. An three days later I received from him an explanation to that what happened, and this really shocked me.

you icq'd me on a Saturday night... I got your msg and told you that I would see what was up on Monday and get back to you. I icq'd on Monday...

all you do in your post is talk about $1000. You fail to mention that your acct was only around $125.

Quote:

Here is what Jason from FlashCash replied to me about my traffic:
Your fraud levels are low-medium. There are a few dodgy transactions but only a very small %.

when you send a lot of traffic to one affiliate, they can cancel out the frauds easier without you noticing b/c you're sending so much traffic. when you send a few signups, and they're fraudulent, then it's real easy to spot.

Why don't you also tell everyone why you wanted a wire instead of a check??? if you don't, i will cause i think it's kinda funny

last, i know a few russian webmasters pretty well. they tell me a lot about some of their russian friends. i'm not out to bash anyone, just defending. if you want to try to bash, i can tell all that i heard about you.. i didn't even have to mention your name, they did it for me... sorry for the length. anyone can feel free to contact me about this...

Pipecrew · 06-26-2002, 09:03 AM

post the reasons

Barry Porn · 06-26-2002, 09:04 AM

Why would anyone cheat or not pay you?

If a sponsor did not pay you, you have the ability to ruin them TommyT does not.

Quote:

Originally posted by Eric_aka_RedEyes
All I can say is that I have never had a problem with Conversion Cash. Always paid on time and always been totally professional to work with. I will not comment on the other.

Sly_RJ · 06-26-2002, 09:05 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Kris

Why don't you also tell everyone why you wanted a wire instead of a check??? if you don't, i will cause i think it's kinda funny

Are you sure you want to reveal information like that? Will make you look like shit.

I wouldn't sweat this post, this guy sounds pretty fishy and was out of line. He has some more investigating to do before he should hang dirty laundry.

12clicks · 06-26-2002, 09:06 AM

never deal with russians.

Pipecrew · 06-26-2002, 09:09 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sly_RJ

Are you sure you want to reveal information like that? Will make you look like shit.

I wouldn't sweat this post, this guy sounds pretty fishy and was out of line. He has some more investigating to do before he should hang dirty laundry.

na not really, maybee if he was giving out personal informationed submitted to him in confidence, but this is probably funny and just hearsay anyways! so its all good

Sly_RJ · 06-26-2002, 09:14 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Pipecrew

na not really, maybee if he was giving out personal informationed submitted to him in confidence, but this is probably funny and just hearsay anyways! so its all good

Fuck that man. You wouldn't be pissed if your Ox representative posted the conversation you had with him about getting a BaitBus audition?

Singer · 06-26-2002, 09:27 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Kris

when you send a lot of traffic to one affiliate, they can cancel out the frauds easier without you noticing b/c you're sending so much traffic. when you send a few signups, and they're fraudulent, then it's real easy to spot.

Why don't you also tell everyone why you wanted a wire instead of a check??? if you don't, i will cause i think it's kinda funny

last, i know a few russian webmasters pretty well. they tell me a lot about some of their russian friends. i'm not out to bash anyone, just defending. if you want to try to bash, i can tell all that i heard about you.. i didn't even have to mention your name, they did it for me... sorry for the length. anyone can feel free to contact me about this...

Are you going to give out his info to public?
What a nice guy! by the way, you rob a few 100s dollars from me but not anymore dickhead, I know you so well- whoever stops sending traffic to your sites you will never pay them, included me.

Now GO FUCK YOURSELF with my 245 dollars.

What a shitheat motherfucker.

ConversionCash

Hooper · 06-26-2002, 09:29 AM

This individual already posted an entire series of conversations between him and kris... so i would say that all bets are off when it comes to confidentiality... ESPECIALLY after it turns out he was perpetrating fraudulent transactions.

So to answer this question quickly:

1) We dont do wires... we never told him we'd do wires... refer to every other thread on the subject.

2) *I*, *ME*, *HOOPER* personally terminated this theiving russian sheisters account & i would do it again in a heartbeat. He was trying to rip us off & we take that personally. It was merely coincindental that his check request coincided with my discovery of his theivery.

Are all russian webmasters cheaters? No.
Are 99% of our cheaters russian? Yes.

As 12clicks says: Cheaters Never Win

And As we say at ConversionCash: Get Paid Every Week... On Time... Every Time.

Sly_RJ · 06-26-2002, 09:34 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Hooper
This individual already posted an entire series of conversations between him and kris... so i would say that all bets are off when it comes to confidentiality... ESPECIALLY after it turns out he was perpetrating fraudulent transactions.

Yep. Right. He did it, so now we'll do it. Supposedly, he also cheated. Gonna do that, too?

I'm sure you're a great guy and are running a stand-up company, but that line of thinking is bull shit. Reminds me of a couple 5 year olds...

12clicks · 06-26-2002, 09:35 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Hooper
This individual already posted an entire series of conversations between him and kris... so i would say that all bets are off when it comes to confidentiality... ESPECIALLY after it turns out he was perpetrating fraudulent transactions.

So to answer this question quickly:

1) We dont do wires... we never told him we'd do wires... refer to every other thread on the subject.

2) *I*, *ME*, *HOOPER* personally terminated this theiving russian sheisters account & i would do it again in a heartbeat. He was trying to rip us off & we take that personally. It was merely coincindental that his check request coincided with my discovery of his theivery.

Are all russian webmasters cheaters? No.
Are 99% of our cheaters russian? Yes.

As 12clicks says: Cheaters Never Win

And As we say at ConversionCash: Get Paid Every Week... On Time... Every Time.

Hoop, you're singing my song!

Singer, pointing out to everyone that you're a thief, saves me the trouble.
Thanks.

SykkBoy · 06-26-2002, 09:38 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Singer

Now GO FUCK YOURSELF with my 245 dollars.
What a shitheat motherfucker

Hooper, this guy apprantly doesn't want his money, so please feel free to send it to me....email me for mailing ingfo ;)

12clicks · 06-26-2002, 09:39 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sly_RJ

Yep. Right. He did it, so now we'll do it. Supposedly, he also cheated. Gonna do that, too?

I'm sure you're a great guy and are running a stand-up company, but that line of thinking is bull shit. Reminds me of a couple 5 year olds...

look sonny, before you make comments about things you're out of your depth in, you should *listen* to what your betters are talking about.

If this russian thief (thats repetitive) is defrauding one sponsor, you can bet the rest of us want to know about it.

You're awfully conserned about the rights of thieves.

Singer · 06-26-2002, 09:52 AM

Dear 12clicks,

I DID selfclick on your links, but I did not selfdownload the dialer from conversion cash!

Sly_RJ · 06-26-2002, 09:53 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by 12clicks

look sonny, before you make comments about things you're out of your depth in, you should *listen* to what your betters are talking about.

If this russian thief (thats repetitive) is defrauding one sponsor, you can bet the rest of us want to know about it.

You're awfully conserned about the rights of thieves.

Go back and read what I said again. I have no problems with people telling others about cheaters and thieves. It's all good. And it should happen.

My posts had nothing to do with what you're claiming. In fact, one of my first posts said fuck the guy because he sounds like he's full of shit.

However, my posts did talk about people revealing information that was gained through private conversations to others. Fuck man, I could care less why the guy wants a wire or not, legal or illegal. If he's cheating, good, fuck the little prick.

jimmyf · 06-26-2002, 09:56 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by 12clicks
never deal with russians.

How come?

Goonx · 06-26-2002, 10:11 AM

Remember kids: "It's only cheating if you get cought"

12clicks · 06-26-2002, 10:22 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Singer
Dear 12clicks,

I DID selfclick on your links, but I did not selfdownload the dialer from conversion cash!

translation:

you caught me red handed but I'm not sure if Hooper did or not.

Singer · 06-26-2002, 10:35 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by 12clicks

translation:

you caught me red handed but I'm not sure if Hooper did or not.

so what the fuck could I cheat in his program? use my own cc? too young to have 1, selfclick? he didn't pay per click, so the only solution is I downloaded the dialer and run it . WTF

oh by the way, go search for Dear 12clicks thread.

dipshit moron retard · 06-26-2002, 10:35 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Singer
Dear 12clicks,

I DID selfclick on your links, but I did not selfdownload the dialer from conversion cash!

DrewKole · 06-26-2002, 11:10 AM

Ugh... Conversion Cash is one of the most reputable companies out there right now, in our industry.

Conversion Cash, does just that, it converts.

Sly, where has Hooper or Kris posted any VITAL info about the person involved? Kris said blatently that he could post info about his past fraud with other companies or associates of the thief.

I dont remember him saying that he'd put his info, phone #, etc?

So what exactly are you bitching about?

Singer, please... choke on your own poor english and webmastering skills and die. Thanks.

06-26-2002, 08:14 AM	#1
TommyT Registered User Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 45	Sad story about business with Conversion Cash Hi to All! I came to a decision to tell this sad story, because, to my mind, any honest web-master can suddenly find himself in a situation like this. My name is Alex. My friends and I own a few TGP, one of which is www.xx-pics.com. We are in this business for more than 4 years, and we worked together with a number of various sponsors. Few months ago I decided to advertize Conversion Cash www.conversioncash.com . I communicated via ICQ with one of its owners, named Kris (his ICQ is 86228368 shown on Conversion Cash site) He assured me that he had the best program , absolutely without shaving, and I place their links on my site. I like to get money via wire transfer, and initially we came to an agreement that as soon as the amount, earned by me, reaches $1000, he was going to wire transfer my money to me. However, due to the fact that I was sending the main traffic to another sponsors, I did not want to wait the moment that the sum hits $1000, and I asked Kris to send me a check. 'No problem', he said. I changed my info and began to wait for the check. What a surprise I felt, when, 2 days after my request about the check, I tried to enter my account and read the following message: Your account has been terminated for violation of the Conversion Cash terms of service. You will not be paid. You will not be allowed back in. You may be reported to the appropriate authorities. No exceptions will be made I contacted Kris, but he said he did not know anything about it. An three days later I received from him an explanation to that what happened, and this really shocked me. He said that CCBill declared that I had been using false credit cards!!! Here are some extracts from our talk: Kris 25.06.20 20:42 your account was closed because CCBill told us you were using false credit cards Alex 25.06.20 20:44 What ???? I used false credit cards ??? What is shit ??? Pls send to me mail from them. I never used any false CC. Kris 25.06.20 20:46 i didn't get mail from them... they called us Alex 25.06.20 20:48 And how mach false cc was used in my traffic? And from what IPs? And when it was? Kris 25.06.20 20:49 i don't know.. i'll find out all this for you Alex 25.06.20 21:10 Ok. I'll wait. Sorry but u bring an serious accusation against me but your explanation like "CCBill called" r too empty. Explanation like yours can be in school but not in business. It looks like u don't want to pay money. I recommend u to have a better argument for explain why u don't pay. Kris 25.06.20 21:19 the only reply i get from ccbill is that this account was scamming... they won't tell me anything else.. we can't do anything to change the situation... You can see from this that my account has been closed and the money, which I earned so hard, Conversion Cash has appropriated without any reasonable explanations. I understand that nobody of honest web-masters can be sure for 100% that the traffic, which he sends to the sponsor, is absolutely clear of fucking carders. And if the cases of using false CC are repeating, the web-master should accept measures and change the sources of his traffic. But this situation is absolutely different. The main traffic from my site is being routed to the well-known and respected sponsor FlashCash. I entered his program 2 years ago, in March 2000. And I am deeply satisfied with our cooperation. I wrote to him a letter asking him to answer this question: Have you any fraud (carding or other shit) from visitors I send to you? Here is what Jason from FlashCash replied to me about my traffic: Your fraud levels are low-medium. There are a few dodgy transactions but only a very small %. Some questions are arising: - Why those carders, who came from me, do not use false cc on sites FlashCash, but, so Kris, are using them on sites Conversion Cash, though the traffic, which I send to FlashCash, is 10 times bigger? - And, all-in-all, why do they need to use false cc on site Conversion Cash, if they offer Free Trial ? The answer to these questions is obvous: the lie, either Conversion Cash, or CCBill. I don't care too much about my money, appropriated by Conversion Cash, but these accusations to my person, outrage me. I appeal to all the honest web-masters, and I ask you to answer the following questions: 1. To your mind, who is the cheater: Conversion Cash or CCBill ? 2. Is Conversion Cash honest sponsor, if he did not pay out the money which I have earned? 3. What should the honest web-master do in the business with cheaters? I thank everybody beforehand, those who is going to reply to my message. Alex

06-26-2002, 08:39 AM	#3
Eric Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: The Helm! Posts: 8,818	All I can say is that I have never had a problem with Conversion Cash. Always paid on time and always been totally professional to work with. I will not comment on the other. __________________ No One

06-26-2002, 09:06 AM	#12
12clicks Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: God's right hand Posts: 19,789	never deal with russians. __________________ I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

06-26-2002, 09:29 AM	#16
Hooper Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: A Free America Posts: 2,210	This individual already posted an entire series of conversations between him and kris... so i would say that all bets are off when it comes to confidentiality... ESPECIALLY after it turns out he was perpetrating fraudulent transactions. So to answer this question quickly: 1) We dont do wires... we never told him we'd do wires... refer to every other thread on the subject. 2) I, ME, HOOPER personally terminated this theiving russian sheisters account & i would do it again in a heartbeat. He was trying to rip us off & we take that personally. It was merely coincindental that his check request coincided with my discovery of his theivery. Are all russian webmasters cheaters? No. Are 99% of our cheaters russian? Yes. As 12clicks says: Cheaters Never Win And As we say at ConversionCash: Get Paid Every Week... On Time... Every Time. __________________ <a href="http://www.adultplatinum.com/"><img src="http://www.adult.com/wmbanners/10dcash-468x60.gif"></a>

06-26-2002, 08:37 AM	#2
Pipecrew Master of Gfy.com Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 14,887	You're Russian arent you

06-26-2002, 08:45 AM	#4
Thomas N Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 973	In my opinion you need to get ahold of CCBill and get an explanation. It would seem to me that if a sponsor is told by their processor that an affiliate is commiting fraud, there isn't much else they can do but believe them. I'd demand an explanation from the source which would seem to be the processor. Also, I've only heard good stuff about conversion cash, and Hooper seems like a straight up good guy. Thats my 2 cents.

06-26-2002, 08:52 AM	#5
shen_kid Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada Posts: 199	russians don't equal cheaters stop bitching man!! there are so many guys named "mohammed" , are they gonna fucking bomb your house?? idiots!

06-26-2002, 08:54 AM	#6
Rocco Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 30	Humm a russian with a US adress... Registrant: Gardinterro Internet Supply 272w 16 str apt2056j New York, NY 10011 US Always funny it's not the first time

06-26-2002, 09:03 AM	#9
Pipecrew Master of Gfy.com Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 14,887	post the reasons

06-26-2002, 09:52 AM	#21
Singer Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Penn State University Main Campus Posts: 437	Dear 12clicks, I DID selfclick on your links, but I did not selfdownload the dialer from conversion cash!

06-26-2002, 10:11 AM	#24
Goonx Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 1,048	Remember kids: "It's only cheating if you get cought"

06-26-2002, 11:10 AM	#28
DrewKole Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 5,193	Ugh... Conversion Cash is one of the most reputable companies out there right now, in our industry. Conversion Cash, does just that, it converts. Sly, where has Hooper or Kris posted any VITAL info about the person involved? Kris said blatently that he could post info about his past fraud with other companies or associates of the thief. I dont remember him saying that he'd put his info, phone #, etc? So what exactly are you bitching about? Singer, please... choke on your own poor english and webmastering skills and die. Thanks.