Which successful programs DO NOT buy or produce exclusive content? - GoFuckYourself.com

AaronM · 09-14-2006, 12:56 AM

Successful = companies like Adult.com, BangBros, Karups, ATK, Mayor's Money..... I'm not talking about the guys who make beer money.

So, who's making BANK off 100% non-exclusive content?

brand0n · 09-14-2006, 12:57 AM

wow.. its been so long ...

see sig..

AaronM · 09-14-2006, 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by brand0n

wow.. its been so long ...

see sig..

Since what?

A real business related thread?

I know....It won't go far, I'm sure.

bdld · 09-14-2006, 12:59 AM

wild cash, meat cash

clickhappy · 09-14-2006, 01:00 AM

off the top of my head I'm guessing ARS, WildCash.
I think they bought all their content but not sure

AaronM · 09-14-2006, 01:00 AM

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Originally Posted by bdld

wild cash, meat cash

Who?

Sucessful programs, please.

AaronM · 09-14-2006, 01:01 AM

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Originally Posted by clickhappy

off the top of my head I'm guessing ARS, WildCash.
I think they bought all their content but not sure

ARS huh?

Interesting.

brand0n · 09-14-2006, 01:01 AM

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Originally Posted by AaronM

Since what?

A real business related thread?

I know....It won't go far, I'm sure.

close.

the chance for me just to add

"see sig"

and really fuckin mean it.

quickbucks has done just what you have asked for.. and honestly is the only program i know out that has..

im sure im missing a few.. but thats the only one that comes to mind.

so again..

see sig.

clickhappy · 09-14-2006, 01:02 AM

Twistys in the early days

brand0n · 09-14-2006, 01:02 AM

becky might argue the ars deal.. dunno.. but something tells me so..

we could ask marc but hes busy buyin cars

jay23 · 09-14-2006, 01:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AaronM

Successful = companies like Adult.com, BangBros, Karups, ATK, Mayor's Money..... I'm not talking about the guys who make beer money.

So, who's making BANK off 100% non-exclusive content?

All the VOD guys AEBN, HotMovies, XonDemand etc etc

Jay

AaronM · 09-14-2006, 01:03 AM

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Originally Posted by brand0n

close.

the chance for me just to add

"see sig"

and really fuckin mean it.

quickbucks has done just what you have asked for.. and honestly is the only program i know out that has..

im sure im missing a few.. but thats the only one that comes to mind.

so again..

see sig.

I know for a fact that QB is not %100 exclusive content.

brand0n · 09-14-2006, 01:03 AM

how early we talkin on twistys?

they really have stepped up to the plate IMHO as far as content goes

sure tons of people would agree with that

dean shoots some of the hottest girls ive fuckin seen..

AaronM · 09-14-2006, 01:04 AM

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Originally Posted by jay23

All the VOD guys AEBN, HotMovies, XonDemand etc etc

Jay

Ah yes, I didn't even consider VOD companies.

Good call.

AaronM · 09-14-2006, 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by brand0n

how early we talkin on twistys?

they really have stepped up to the plate IMHO as far as content goes

sure tons of people would agree with that

dean shoots some of the hottest girls ive fuckin seen..

Dean could shoot me and make me look like a hot girl too.

The man is a magician with his camera.

clickhappy · 09-14-2006, 01:08 AM

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Originally Posted by brand0n

becky might argue the ars deal.. dunno.. but something tells me so..

we could ask marc but hes busy buyin cars

i dunno, i thought the old sites like pink chocolate, all petite, cute girlfriend, etc were all purchased content. I dont know if they shot exclusive.

beemk · 09-14-2006, 01:09 AM

meat cash, wild cash, pornaccess, i think braincash, deluxpass

beemk · 09-14-2006, 01:10 AM

juggcash

SGS · 09-14-2006, 01:12 AM

Paul will be here any minute now.

AaronM · 09-14-2006, 01:14 AM

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Originally Posted by beemk

meat cash, wild cash, pornaccess, i think braincash, deluxpass

BrainCash has exclusive.

xNetworx · 09-14-2006, 01:14 AM

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Originally Posted by AaronM

Who?

Sucessful programs, please.

Are you serious? I'd bet you WildCash and MeatCash are far more successful than the vast majority of programs. Only the owners and their accountants know for sure.

Both have exclusive content to my knowledge. I know MeatCash has plenty of exclusive stuff from top producers.

AaronM · 09-14-2006, 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by SGS

Paul will be here any minute now.

Perhaps he will but Paul's opinions are skewed by his own agenda. Mine, at least in this case, are not.

AaronM · 09-14-2006, 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by pimpporn

Are you serious? I'd bet you WildCash and MeatCash are far more successful than the vast majority of programs. Both have exclusive content to my knowledge. I know MeatCash has plenty of exclusive stuff from top producers. Only the owners and their accountants know for sure.

I'm not saying they are failures, I am saying that they are not on the level of the type of successful programs that I am referring to.

Nylz · 09-14-2006, 01:17 AM

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Originally Posted by pimpporn

Are you serious? I'd bet you WildCash and MeatCash are far more successful than the vast majority of programs. Only the owners and their accountants know for sure.

Both have exclusive content to my knowledge. I know MeatCash has plenty of exclusive stuff from top producers.

I believe WildCash is just DVD content... but I'm sure they're way up there if it comes to being successful..

Nylz · 09-14-2006, 01:18 AM

And Aaron has firm buttocks..

AaronM · 09-14-2006, 01:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Nylz

And Aaron has firm buttocks..

No sir. It is tight, but far from firm.

Ask Ross.

brand0n · 09-14-2006, 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by AaronM

Dean could shoot me and make me look like a hot girl too.

hmm.. whats the over/under on that?

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 09-14-2006, 01:23 AM

exclusive content...

brand0n · 09-14-2006, 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

exclusive content...

you know..

i removed you from ignore in hopes that youd have something to add..

why the fuck did i bother?

go back to dropping your stupid fuckin pics in every thread..

you are fuckin useless..

back to ignore you go..

andrej_NDC · 09-14-2006, 01:29 AM

Successful is relative. What does it mean for you? $20k net? $100k net? $500k net? Monthly.

Tempest · 09-14-2006, 01:31 AM

I'm not sure what the purpose of this thread is.... Twistys only "recently" starting doing exclusive content... Weren't the older adultplatinum (adult.com) sites mostly non-exclusive?

Frankly, with programs like topbucks, pimproll, hawg etc. etc. etc. offering all their exclusive content in leased feeds, if you had sites with great presentation and giving the surfer what they want, (something shap "should" have taught people with his success), you really wouldn't need exclusive content yourself.

Major (Tom) · 09-14-2006, 01:33 AM

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Originally Posted by AaronM

I'm not saying they are failures, I am saying that they are not on the level of the type of successful programs that I am referring to.

First off, whats beer money to you. I think we can agree that there are programs who do ok, those that pretend they do ok, and those that make a few grand a month. I would say that any program doing 7 figures or more a year isnt beer money. However there are some programs that do mid 7 figures and some that do low 7 figs, so there is still a disparate gap between big programs.

1, meat cash is 100% exclusive. so we can exclude them.

2, hahaha does very well and alot of his stuff can be bought from photo greg and ama joe for under 10 grand.

Deluxe Pass comes to mind. When i bill went tits up they were i bills #2 client i believe(def top 5). I was maybe deluxe pass's 30th best affiliate and i was doing $20k a month. The top 5 affiliates were doing that in 1-2 weeks. I'll bet you a 100 bucks MAYBE 1 or possibly 2 of the programs you mentioned above have 30 affiliates or so doing (at least) 20k and above a month.

Duke

Paul Markham · 09-14-2006, 01:39 AM

What is it that makes a surfer stop and say "I'm signing up for this because it's exclusive"?

Not because it's on every website out there, if it was they would not be buying exclusive content for peanuts.

Is it because the standard of 90% of the content providers is so poor the route to success is to shoot it or commission it to be shot for yourself?

Can't be because all the guys shooting exclusive are so great. The money shooting non exclusive, like we do, is a lot more than shooting exclusive for others. When did you earn $10,000 from a boy girl scene or $2,000 from a solo girl scene? Got a notepad I will give you a list of the times we do.

Is it because the big programs realised that if anyone could start a site with $5,000 worth of bought in content and take affiliates and surfers away they convinced everyone it has to be exclusive?

Is it because by shooting it yourself you can shoot something in a style/niche/action that makes you a bit different?

Is it because if non exclusive content was given to affiliates by 10 major sponsors then it really would be saturated?

So why is it that exclusive content is the better route to go?
Why are shooters making more money shooting an exclusive scene for the cost of a handful of non exclusive sales.

Why do exclusive shooters have to work all day to shoot a model exclusive to sell once for $2,000 when a non exclusive shooter can make that off a set shot in 30 minutes?

These is the real questions. Would love the answers.

And please do not list a lot of sites that started 6 years ago, or have awesome content and a great site and just say it's because it's exclusive, you know better than that.

Paul Markham · 09-14-2006, 01:41 AM

What "Exclusive" shooter makes the money we do?

AaronM · 09-14-2006, 01:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Bla bla bla..

FYI, I truly did not and will not be reading past the first sentence.

The question was specific and based on the first sentence of your reply, you are not attempting to answer the question asked.

beemk · 09-14-2006, 01:43 AM

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Originally Posted by DukeSkywalker

1, meat cash is 100% exclusive. so we can exclude them.

meatcash has only some exclusive sites, the rest are dvd sites. they have a shitload of dvd sites. to say they arent successful is laughable though. they are a very solid program.

brand0n · 09-14-2006, 01:43 AM

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Originally Posted by DukeSkywalker

First off, whats beer money to you. I think we can agree that there are programs who do ok, those that pretend they do ok, and those that make a few grand a month. I would say that any program doing 7 figures or more a year isnt beer money. However there are some programs that do mid 7 figures and some that do low 7 figs, so there is still a disparate gap between big programs.

1, meat cash is 100% exclusive. so we can exclude them.

2, hahaha does very well and alot of his stuff can be bought from photo greg and ama joe for under 10 grand.

Deluxe Pass comes to mind. When i bill went tits up they were i bills #2 client i believe(def top 5). I was maybe deluxe pass's 30th best affiliate and i was doing $20k a month. The top 5 affiliates were doing that in 1-2 weeks. I'll bet you a 100 bucks MAYBE 1 or possibly 2 of the programs you mentioned above have 30 affiliates or so doing (at least) 20k and above a month.

Duke

ahem..

very quietly raises hand..

beemk · 09-14-2006, 01:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Why do exclusive shooters have to work all day to shoot a model exclusive to sell once for $2,000 when a non exclusive shooter can make that off a set shot in 30 minutes?

for the same reason you can get a box of candybars cheaper at costco than you can buying them one at a time at 7-11.

brand0n · 09-14-2006, 01:48 AM

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Originally Posted by beemk

for the same reason you can get a box of candybars cheaper at costco than you can buying them one at a time at 7-11.

i love simple logic + candybars.

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 09-14-2006, 01:48 AM

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Originally Posted by brand0n

you know..

i removed you from ignore in hopes that youd have something to add..

why the fuck did i bother?

go back to dropping your stupid fuckin pics in every thread..

you are fuckin useless..

back to ignore you go..

And why is anyone supposed to care about your opinion about anything?

Get over yourself...

I was celebrating exclusive content, which I happen to produce ($$$).

ADG Webmaster

AaronM · 09-14-2006, 01:49 AM

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Originally Posted by beemk

meatcash has only some exclusive sites, the rest are dvd sites. they have a shitload of dvd sites. to say they arent successful is laughable though. they are a very solid program.

It never ceases to amaze me that no matter how well qualified my posts are, the majority of the people don't seem to grasp the simplicity in them.

I asked for programs who are %100 non-exclusive, not %90 non-exclusive, and I even gave examples of programs who are on the level of success that I am asking about.

MeatCash can't hold a candle to the programs I mentioned nor are they %100 non-exclusive. Why are we still discussing them?

SmutGiant · 09-14-2006, 01:49 AM

if it's not the case already, in the not too distant future exclusive content and non-exclusive content will be the difference between the programs that strive and the programs that thrive

You can't sell porn, it has to sell itself.

stickyfingerz · 09-14-2006, 01:51 AM

Platinum bucks I think is mostly non exclusive stuff but I could be wrong, but of course they have adultrental.com their vod which is of course non exclusive. Lion Dollars was non exclusive till their new model phoenix. Sure there are others.

Take that back about PB they have a bunch of exclusives after looking.

AaronM · 09-14-2006, 01:51 AM

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Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

And why is anyone supposed to care about your opinion about anything?

Because occasionally, such as in this case, he is dead nuts on.

Paul Markham · 09-14-2006, 01:54 AM

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Originally Posted by beemk

for the same reason you can get a box of candybars cheaper at costco than you can buying them one at a time at 7-11.

Which is the reason we have two stores, one for the more discerning client and the other for the guys buying bulk on price.

In both stores we will make more than $300 on a set, add the video and you are running at a lot more than what exclusive pays a shooter.

If all these sites doing so well with exclusive why don't they pay the shooters more? Excluding the guys with the real sense to sell their own content on a paysite.

Oh I forgot about our paysite, yet another level of earning from the same content.

Exclusive = 1 off sale.

Non Exclusive = Content store sales, mobile phone sales, magazines sales, DVD sales, Paysite sales, I still own the rights.

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 09-14-2006, 01:56 AM

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Originally Posted by AaronM

Because occasionally, such as in this case, he is dead nuts on.

So put me on ignore too, Dead Nuts...

ADG Webmaster

SmutGiant · 09-14-2006, 01:57 AM

my post doesn't apply to network sites like AEN's & VOD's, imo those sites provide good value for the dollar for most novice surfers.

brand0n · 09-14-2006, 01:59 AM

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Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

And why is anyone supposed to care about your opinion about anything?

Get over yourself...

I was celebrating exclusive content, which I happen to produce ($$$).

ADG Webmaster

again. took you off ignore for this thread.. ill be puttin you right back on as soon as i finish this post

i dont give a fuck about anyone who thinks anything about my opinion on anything. simple enuff?

im just sick of your useless bullshit that amounts to notta.

and all your stupid fuckin pics..

you shoot exclusive content ($$$)

im happy for you..

i produce traffic ($$$$$$$$)

see the ratio?

and yet im not a dolt who feels the need to drop a stupid fuckin picture in every thread to get my point across..

and ive gotten over myself and back overmyself a long time ago.

but thanks.. ill be sure to keep you in mind as i readd you yet again to ignore.

honestly.. this is the 1st post ive seen you make that had ANY relevance what so ever.

and all that was

"I was celebrating exclusive content, which I happen to produce ($$$)."

bravo!

now.. shouldnt you drop a stupid fuckin pic and get it outta the way as i put you back on ignore?

HotChocolate · 09-14-2006, 02:00 AM

Maybe SunnyDollars?

v4 media · 09-14-2006, 02:06 AM

Adult bouncer

09-14-2006, 12:56 AM	#1
AaronM Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: ┌∩┐ ◣_◢ ┌∩┐ Posts: 46,909	Which successful programs DO NOT buy or produce exclusive content? Successful = companies like Adult.com, BangBros, Karups, ATK, Mayor's Money..... I'm not talking about the guys who make beer money. So, who's making BANK off 100% non-exclusive content?

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brand0n been very busy Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: the queen city Posts: 26,983	becky might argue the ars deal.. dunno.. but something tells me so.. we could ask marc but hes busy buyin cars __________________ want to buy this spot for cheap? it is of course for sale. long term deals are always the best bet. brand0n/ at/ a o l dot commies.

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brand0n been very busy Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: the queen city Posts: 26,983	how early we talkin on twistys? they really have stepped up to the plate IMHO as far as content goes sure tons of people would agree with that dean shoots some of the hottest girls ive fuckin seen.. __________________ want to buy this spot for cheap? it is of course for sale. long term deals are always the best bet. brand0n/ at/ a o l dot commies.

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brand0n been very busy Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: the queen city Posts: 26,983	wow.. its been so long ... see sig.. __________________ want to buy this spot for cheap? it is of course for sale. long term deals are always the best bet. brand0n/ at/ a o l dot commies.

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bdld $100,000 Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 11,452	wild cash, meat cash

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clickhappy Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 4,027	off the top of my head I'm guessing ARS, WildCash. I think they bought all their content but not sure

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andrej_NDC Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 7,760	Successful is relative. What does it mean for you? $20k net? $100k net? $500k net? Monthly.

09-14-2006, 01:31 AM	#31
Tempest Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: May 2004 Location: West Coast, Canada. Posts: 10,217	I'm not sure what the purpose of this thread is.... Twistys only "recently" starting doing exclusive content... Weren't the older adultplatinum (adult.com) sites mostly non-exclusive? Frankly, with programs like topbucks, pimproll, hawg etc. etc. etc. offering all their exclusive content in leased feeds, if you had sites with great presentation and giving the surfer what they want, (something shap "should" have taught people with his success), you really wouldn't need exclusive content yourself.

09-14-2006, 01:39 AM	#33
Paul Markham Too old to care Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: On the sofa, watching TV or doing my jigsaws. Posts: 52,943	What is it that makes a surfer stop and say "I'm signing up for this because it's exclusive"? Not because it's on every website out there, if it was they would not be buying exclusive content for peanuts. Is it because the standard of 90% of the content providers is so poor the route to success is to shoot it or commission it to be shot for yourself? Can't be because all the guys shooting exclusive are so great. The money shooting non exclusive, like we do, is a lot more than shooting exclusive for others. When did you earn $10,000 from a boy girl scene or $2,000 from a solo girl scene? Got a notepad I will give you a list of the times we do. Is it because the big programs realised that if anyone could start a site with $5,000 worth of bought in content and take affiliates and surfers away they convinced everyone it has to be exclusive? Is it because by shooting it yourself you can shoot something in a style/niche/action that makes you a bit different? Is it because if non exclusive content was given to affiliates by 10 major sponsors then it really would be saturated? So why is it that exclusive content is the better route to go? Why are shooters making more money shooting an exclusive scene for the cost of a handful of non exclusive sales. Why do exclusive shooters have to work all day to shoot a model exclusive to sell once for $2,000 when a non exclusive shooter can make that off a set shot in 30 minutes? These is the real questions. Would love the answers. And please do not list a lot of sites that started 6 years ago, or have awesome content and a great site and just say it's because it's exclusive, you know better than that. __________________ Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500. PM me for a deal. Skype Paulmarkham70

09-14-2006, 01:41 AM	#34
Paul Markham Too old to care Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: On the sofa, watching TV or doing my jigsaws. Posts: 52,943	What "Exclusive" shooter makes the money we do? __________________ Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500. PM me for a deal. Skype Paulmarkham70

09-14-2006, 01:49 AM	#42
SmutGiant Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 4,895	if it's not the case already, in the not too distant future exclusive content and non-exclusive content will be the difference between the programs that strive and the programs that thrive You can't sell porn, it has to sell itself.

09-14-2006, 01:51 AM	#43
stickyfingerz Doin fine Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 24,983	Platinum bucks I think is mostly non exclusive stuff but I could be wrong, but of course they have adultrental.com their vod which is of course non exclusive. Lion Dollars was non exclusive till their new model phoenix. Sure there are others. Take that back about PB they have a bunch of exclusives after looking. Last edited by stickyfingerz; 09-14-2006 at 01:53 AM..

09-14-2006, 01:57 AM	#47
SmutGiant Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 4,895	my post doesn't apply to network sites like AEN's & VOD's, imo those sites provide good value for the dollar for most novice surfers.

09-14-2006, 02:00 AM	#49
HotChocolate Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 239	Maybe SunnyDollars?

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