CAMS.COM changing affiliates stats - screen shots inside - GoFuckYourself.com

elron · 09-13-2006, 03:59 AM

Not even talking that they wont convert any free member to sale .
here's a screen shot from 2 days ago :

Look the raw figure for 9/11 .

now here's a screen shot from just now :

boom , 9/11 raw hits are down by 50% .
I know that their unique count is from all of their affiliates that day so that's why the huge difference between the raw/unique but why to shave the number so it will look less ugly ?

oh and btw how about converting member ?

darksoul · 09-13-2006, 04:08 AM

could be an error.
at least they didn't shaved your members.

But yea, they convert pretty fucking bad lately.

martinsc · 09-13-2006, 04:10 AM

looks like a good sig spot to me...

elron · 09-13-2006, 04:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by darksoul

could be an error.
at least they didn't shaved your members.

But yea, they convert pretty fucking bad lately.

they did it several times before , that's why i took the screen shot 2 days ago and waited to see if they do it again .

fuzzylogic · 09-13-2006, 05:17 AM

wow

you dont get paid on sign ups? you need to check my sig brother!

elron · 09-13-2006, 05:30 AM

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Originally Posted by fuzzylogic

wow

you dont get paid on sign ups? you need to check my sig brother!

they are not supposed to pay for free members , no problems with that .

lazycash · 09-13-2006, 05:36 AM

How long are you going to continue sending traffic without getting a payout? There's so many better places to make money with your cam traffic.

Xenophage · 09-13-2006, 05:40 AM

its pretty clear to everyon looking that the 1200 traffic was an error that one day you did not send 6X the raws yet teh same uniques, do not accuse me of chaving, as thats utter bs and anyone looking at this can tell for themselves. the raws and signups are consistant each day, I am sorry you are not converting well, but on 50 free members that is a really small test, Our staff would be happy to work with you to see if there is something we can do to up your conversions.

Jarmusch · 09-13-2006, 05:49 AM

I've also noticed an abnormal amount of raws some days, wich sometimes gets corrected a couple days later but sometimes it doesn't.

elron · 09-13-2006, 06:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LegendaryLars

its pretty clear to everyon looking that the 1200 traffic was an error that one day you did not send 6X the raws yet teh same uniques, do not accuse me of chaving, as thats utter bs and anyone looking at this can tell for themselves. the raws and signups are consistant each day, I am sorry you are not converting well, but on 50 free members that is a really small test, Our staff would be happy to work with you to see if there is something we can do to up your conversions.

that's not an error , you lowered my raw hits since the first day , that's why i took screen shot at 9/11, i knew i only needed to wait 1-2 days to see the fixed stats and there it is shown above .
your ad is shown at 300k/day traffic sites these days , the spot i put your ads does sends 1k+ hits daily.

Damian_Maxcash · 09-13-2006, 06:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elron

that's not an error , you lowered my raw hits since the first day , that's why i took screen shot at 9/11, i knew i only needed to wait 1-2 days to see the fixed stats and there it is shown above .
your ad is shown at 300k/day traffic sites these days , the spot i put your ads does sends 1k+ hits daily.

Why would anyone shave raw hits?

They mean nothing.

Making acusations of fraud is frowned upon without proof - (or if you are Epic and the owner already told everyone they shave) - what you have shown in anyones wildest dreams dosnt show anything of the sort.

elron · 09-13-2006, 06:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by damian2001

Why would anyone shave raw hits?

They mean nothing.

Making acusations of fraud is frowned upon without proof - (or if you are Epic and the owner already told everyone they shave) - what you have shown in anyones wildest dreams dosnt show anything of the sort.

Dude why wont you fuck off my threads and go lick streamray's asses somewhere else ?
WHERE EXACTLY DID I ACCUSE THEM FOR FRAUD ?
i only said they are changing affiliate stats and i DID SHOW A PROOF .

Klen · 09-13-2006, 06:36 AM

Who knows what could causing it.But they are not only sponsor where that changes happening.

Damian_Maxcash · 09-13-2006, 07:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elron

Dude why wont you fuck off my threads and go lick streamray's asses somewhere else ?
WHERE EXACTLY DID I ACCUSE THEM FOR FRAUD ?
i only said they are changing affiliate stats and i DID SHOW A PROOF .

Quote:

that's not an error , you lowered my raw hits since the first day

I dont kiss ass - trust me - but if someone is talking shit I will tell them.

Boobs · 09-13-2006, 07:42 AM

you should be concerned abouw how you're still at $0.00

elron · 09-14-2006, 01:18 AM

Here's todays stats , I put $200 that 9/13 1084 raws will be fixed today or tommorow . anyone wants to join the bet ?

An error wont happen constantly day after day .

tical · 09-14-2006, 02:12 AM

thats weird, i wonder if they're counting refreshes or tallying up other page clicks... then calculating unique raws the next day

ur raws are way off... thats a bug in their initial / realtime calculations. totally obvious

Head_Hunter · 09-14-2006, 02:19 AM

interesting after reading this thread i took a snapshot. Sure enough im seeing same thing on my end. Anyone might know whats causeing this? also what does Refers Sent me?

justsexxx · 09-14-2006, 02:26 AM

Why can you not ask a valid question on GFY, but can we only say YEAH THEY ROCK and WHOOHOOOO....

It IS strange...Yeah there is propably a valid reason for it...It also happend on other ppl's stats(yeah saw it as well)...An explanation why, would be usefull no?

Also the TS never said they were shaving...He said, CHANGING STATS, what IS happening...

After that mister damian comes in, and talks shit...I don't see Elron posting 'cams.com is cheating'..He just says this stats change is not a fluke/error, it is happening all the time..He is NOT saying they cheat..

Jeez, GFY is sometimes pathetic

Andre

free4porn · 09-14-2006, 02:28 AM

hope u get a convert

Tempest · 09-14-2006, 02:41 AM

Although I'm not always happy with clickcash, you would have had at least 1 paying signup with them by now.

Someone else was complaining to me today about sending 8k to cams and getting nada.. Don't know how many free signups that had generated though.. But still... Sending 8k to clickcash would have made a few sales at least. I've been trying imlive lately and although I'm making more per click than clickcash, it's conversion rate is worse. Course.. I'm only making more per click because of their promos.

Damian_Maxcash · 09-14-2006, 02:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by justsexxx

Why can you not ask a valid question on GFY, but can we only say YEAH THEY ROCK and WHOOHOOOO....

It IS strange...Yeah there is propably a valid reason for it...It also happend on other ppl's stats(yeah saw it as well)...An explanation why, would be usefull no?

Also the TS never said they were shaving...He said, CHANGING STATS, what IS happening...

After that mister damian comes in, and talks shit...I don't see Elron posting 'cams.com is cheating'..He just says this stats change is not a fluke/error, it is happening all the time..He is NOT saying they cheat..

Jeez, GFY is sometimes pathetic

Andre

He said "Thats not an error" - by saying that you can only assume one thing.

ffmihai · 09-14-2006, 03:02 AM

i think that youa re jumping to conclusion. that is obviously an error

elron · 09-14-2006, 03:16 AM

Do you guys think that there's any chance the same mistake will make me win their ferrari ?

And to anyone who's wondering what's going on there the answer is simple , and to understand it you have to know how their system works

The raw hits is the ad click ammount that is being sent to them . Their unique system counts unique from their ENTIRE program at any given day , this means that if affiliate A sent them the surfer Z , their system will credit affiliate A with a unique count . Now if surfer Z keep surfing for porn and browses to affiliate B , then from there he clicks on cams ad . In this case - although that affiliate B sent them unique surfer - their system will count the click as RAW , because affiliate A sent him already to them earlier .

They do this so the sales count will be a division from a lower figure and so you see nicer sales/hits .
Now if you ask me i believe their system automaticly and i repeat - automaticly reduce the raws figure so their affiliates wont start asking question how the hell there's such a huge difference between the unique and the raw count . This is not exactly fraud because they dont shave your money , but their did adjust their system to raise their conversion rations and that's fucked up .

Im booting them from my sites , good luck to anyone else that is using them .

Damian_Maxcash · 09-14-2006, 03:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elron

Do you guys think that there's any chance the same mistake will make me win their ferrari ?

And to anyone who's wondering what's going on there the answer is simple , and to understand it you have to know how their system works

The raw hits is the ad click ammount that is being sent to them . Their unique system counts unique from their ENTIRE program at any given day , this means that if affiliate A sent them the surfer Z , their system will credit affiliate A with a unique count . Now if surfer Z keep surfing for porn and browses to affiliate B , then from there he clicks on cams ad . In this case - although that affiliate B sent them unique surfer - their system will count the click as RAW , because affiliate A sent him already to them earlier .

They do this so the sales count will be a division from a lower figure and so you see nicer sales/hits .
Now if you ask me i believe their system automaticly and i repeat - automaticly reduce the raws figure so their affiliates wont start asking question how the hell there's such a huge difference between the unique and the raw count . This is not exactly fraud because they dont shave your money , but their did adjust their system to raise their conversion rations and that's fucked up .

Im booting them from my sites , good luck to anyone else that is using them .

That is total shit.

I cant believe you are accusing someone of playing with the numbers when you dont seem to have a clue.

To quote Justsexxx - "Jeez, GFY is sometimes pathetic"

Tempest · 09-14-2006, 03:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elron

The raw hits is the ad click ammount that is being sent to them . Their unique system counts unique from their ENTIRE program at any given day , this means that if affiliate A sent them the surfer Z , their system will credit affiliate A with a unique count . Now if surfer Z keep surfing for porn and browses to affiliate B , then from there he clicks on cams ad . In this case - although that affiliate B sent them unique surfer - their system will count the click as RAW , because affiliate A sent him already to them earlier.

Intesting... Never thought of that but it would certainly explain why some programs I push have huge differences between raw/uni compared to other programs... I wonder it it's clearly spelled out in the TOS that it's not unique that you've sent, but unique visit to the site. Unique visit to the site would be the "easier" code to implement...

e-god · 09-14-2006, 03:32 AM

Refers Sent: 26328
Unique IPs Sent:13018
# Members:758
# Orders: 34
thats my stats for Jan-Current date PPS program, i dont send them much traffic but i cant remember the last time i got a sale, all these orders was in January or February.

xNetworx · 09-14-2006, 03:39 AM

My sig is big

elron · 09-14-2006, 03:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by damian2001

That is total shit.

I cant believe you are accusing someone of playing with the numbers when you dont seem to have a clue.

To quote Justsexxx - "Jeez, GFY is sometimes pathetic"

then what's YOUR explanation to this ? you can't deny that there is an alteration of the raws figure , either deliberatelly or by mistake , and it is happening constantly almost every day . care to reveal us YOUR CLUE ? because if not , you can take my previous advice and go lick their asses somewhere else .

Damian_Maxcash · 09-14-2006, 04:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elron

then what's YOUR explanation to this ? you can't deny that there is an alteration of the raws figure , either deliberatelly or by mistake , and it is happening constantly almost every day . care to reveal us YOUR CLUE ? because if not , you can take my previous advice and go lick their asses somewhere else .

You say that the figure shown at first is the correct number and they halve it.

The first number shown is ALWAYS an even number - why do you think that is? - if its the actual number of raws surely it would be sometimes even and sometimes odd.

The next clue for you is simple maths - you take any number and double it the result is an even number.

So the higher number that is shown and then changes CANT be the actual number of raws - it dosnt make sense.

You also say that it happens all the time - so it cant be an error - we are talking about computers doing calculations... think about it.

It just takes a little bit of lateral thinking.

elron · 09-14-2006, 04:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by damian2001

You say that the figure shown at first is the correct number and they halve it.

The first number shown is ALWAYS an even number - why do you think that is? - if its the actual number of raws surely it would be sometimes even and sometimes odd.

The next clue for you is simple maths - you take any number and double it the result is an even number.

So the higher number that is shown and then changes CANT be the actual number of raws - it dosnt make sense.

You also say that it happens all the time - so it cant be an error - we are talking about computers doing calculations... think about it.

It just takes a little bit of lateral thinking.

so much bullshit about higher number or even number and yet you still haven't explained the reason for change of the raws hit , dude give us a break, you clearly convinced us that u're here to waste our with your nonsense replies , why wont you take a hike ?

Solid Bob · 09-14-2006, 04:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by e-god

Refers Sent: 26328
Unique IPs Sent:13018
# Members:758
# Orders: 34
thats my stats for Jan-Current date PPS program, i dont send them much traffic but i cant remember the last time i got a sale, all these orders was in January or February.

I average around $6800 on 26k raw, did you even get close?

Damian_Maxcash · 09-14-2006, 04:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elron

so much bullshit about higher number or even number and yet you still haven't explained the reason for change of the raws hit , dude give us a break, you clearly convinced us that u're here to waste our with your nonsense replies , why wont you take a hike ?

OK I will dumb it down for you - its a bug in the system - it has been there for years - previously affecting AFF - and has been discussed here many times.

If you are too stupid to follow what was said in my previous post that is your problem and not mine.

Solid Bob · 09-14-2006, 04:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by damian2001

You say that the figure shown at first is the correct number and they halve it.

The first number shown is ALWAYS an even number - why do you think that is? - if its the actual number of raws surely it would be sometimes even and sometimes odd.

The next clue for you is simple maths - you take any number and double it the result is an even number.

So the higher number that is shown and then changes CANT be the actual number of raws - it dosnt make sense.

You also say that it happens all the time - so it cant be an error - we are talking about computers doing calculations... think about it.

It just takes a little bit of lateral thinking.

So you know the large number is always even from 2 samples? I need you to do the maths on my stuff.

Damian_Maxcash · 09-14-2006, 04:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Solid Bob

So you know the large number is always even from 2 samples? I need you to do the maths on my stuff.

Because it has been happening for years - on my accounts as well.

sixsax · 09-14-2006, 05:01 AM

Elron, sorry if it's irrelevant but you could be making $30 per free signup with MoneyTree for instance.

57 x 30 = $1710 (!!!) you missed out on during the last 10 days.

Damian_Maxcash · 09-14-2006, 05:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sixsax

Elron, sorry if it's irrelevant but you could be making $30 per free signup with MoneyTree for instance.

57 x 30 = $1710 (!!!) you missed out on during the last 10 days.

The free members he is talking about are not carded free signs. Just email.

elron · 09-14-2006, 05:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sixsax

Elron, sorry if it's irrelevant but you could be making $30 per free signup with MoneyTree for instance.

57 x 30 = $1710 (!!!) you missed out on during the last 10 days.

Sextracker team rocks

Xenophage · 09-14-2006, 07:38 AM

Interesting point If it is hapening every day, I will have our Tech team check it out thanks for pointing it out.

DirtyJ_ExtendedMarketing · 09-14-2006, 07:52 AM

I havent been able to convert a single damn thing with them.. plent of free joins, but no cash spent.. not 1 dollar.. kinda wierd if you ask me

rigrunner · 09-14-2006, 07:54 AM

Just curious...Not really much to do with the thread but seeing as folk from cams.com are browsing... is anything done with the free joins? Are mails sent out to them? I always wonder why they never convert into members....
Cheers!

Mighty Chin · 09-14-2006, 09:19 AM

Now Look at Lars acting like a professional. That's the way it's supposed to be.

ttlingshan · 09-19-2006, 05:04 AM

One thing we noticed about cams.com: since they introduced the 'up front' commission payment at the start of August, sales almost halved overnight. No change in the volume of referers, uniques, free signups, or anything else, just a 50% overall reduction in commission payments. And no, it wasn't that the big spenders were away on summer vacation, because they didn't come back ;)

What would help curb much of the scam speculation, and what would ultimately help savvy web marketers to drive more traffic, would be to provide a set of useful statistics (hourly hits, real time spend, some indication of who is a returning customer and who is a new sale).

best
TT Ling

09-13-2006, 03:59 AM	#1
elron Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 1,553	CAMS.COM changing affiliates stats - screen shots inside Not even talking that they wont convert any free member to sale . here's a screen shot from 2 days ago : Look the raw figure for 9/11 . now here's a screen shot from just now : boom , 9/11 raw hits are down by 50% . I know that their unique count is from all of their affiliates that day so that's why the huge difference between the raw/unique but why to shave the number so it will look less ugly ? oh and btw how about converting member ?

09-13-2006, 04:08 AM	#2
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09-13-2006, 04:10 AM	#3
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09-13-2006, 05:36 AM	#7
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09-13-2006, 07:42 AM	#15
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09-13-2006, 05:17 AM	#5
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09-13-2006, 05:40 AM	#8
Xenophage Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 12,122	its pretty clear to everyon looking that the 1200 traffic was an error that one day you did not send 6X the raws yet teh same uniques, do not accuse me of chaving, as thats utter bs and anyone looking at this can tell for themselves. the raws and signups are consistant each day, I am sorry you are not converting well, but on 50 free members that is a really small test, Our staff would be happy to work with you to see if there is something we can do to up your conversions.

09-13-2006, 05:49 AM	#9
Jarmusch Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 12,464	I've also noticed an abnormal amount of raws some days, wich sometimes gets corrected a couple days later but sometimes it doesn't.

09-13-2006, 06:36 AM	#13
Klen Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Little Vienna Posts: 32,235	Who knows what could causing it.But they are not only sponsor where that changes happening.

09-14-2006, 01:18 AM	#16
elron Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 1,553	Here's todays stats , I put $200 that 9/13 1084 raws will be fixed today or tommorow . anyone wants to join the bet ? An error wont happen constantly day after day .

09-14-2006, 02:12 AM	#17
tical Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 6,504	thats weird, i wonder if they're counting refreshes or tallying up other page clicks... then calculating unique raws the next day ur raws are way off... thats a bug in their initial / realtime calculations. totally obvious __________________ 112.020.756

09-14-2006, 02:19 AM	#18
Head_Hunter So Fucking Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 907	interesting after reading this thread i took a snapshot. Sure enough im seeing same thing on my end. Anyone might know whats causeing this? also what does Refers Sent me?

09-14-2006, 02:26 AM	#19
justsexxx Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 13,723	Why can you not ask a valid question on GFY, but can we only say YEAH THEY ROCK and WHOOHOOOO.... It IS strange...Yeah there is propably a valid reason for it...It also happend on other ppl's stats(yeah saw it as well)...An explanation why, would be usefull no? Also the TS never said they were shaving...He said, CHANGING STATS, what IS happening... After that mister damian comes in, and talks shit...I don't see Elron posting 'cams.com is cheating'..He just says this stats change is not a fluke/error, it is happening all the time..He is NOT saying they cheat.. Jeez, GFY is sometimes pathetic Andre __________________ Questions? ICQ: 125184542

09-14-2006, 02:28 AM	#20
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09-14-2006, 02:41 AM	#21
Tempest Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: May 2004 Location: West Coast, Canada. Posts: 10,217	Although I'm not always happy with clickcash, you would have had at least 1 paying signup with them by now. Someone else was complaining to me today about sending 8k to cams and getting nada.. Don't know how many free signups that had generated though.. But still... Sending 8k to clickcash would have made a few sales at least. I've been trying imlive lately and although I'm making more per click than clickcash, it's conversion rate is worse. Course.. I'm only making more per click because of their promos.

09-14-2006, 03:02 AM	#23
ffmihai keep walking... Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 7,177	i think that youa re jumping to conclusion. that is obviously an error __________________

09-14-2006, 03:16 AM	#24
elron Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 1,553	Do you guys think that there's any chance the same mistake will make me win their ferrari ? And to anyone who's wondering what's going on there the answer is simple , and to understand it you have to know how their system works The raw hits is the ad click ammount that is being sent to them . Their unique system counts unique from their ENTIRE program at any given day , this means that if affiliate A sent them the surfer Z , their system will credit affiliate A with a unique count . Now if surfer Z keep surfing for porn and browses to affiliate B , then from there he clicks on cams ad . In this case - although that affiliate B sent them unique surfer - their system will count the click as RAW , because affiliate A sent him already to them earlier . They do this so the sales count will be a division from a lower figure and so you see nicer sales/hits . Now if you ask me i believe their system automaticly and i repeat - automaticly reduce the raws figure so their affiliates wont start asking question how the hell there's such a huge difference between the unique and the raw count . This is not exactly fraud because they dont shave your money , but their did adjust their system to raise their conversion rations and that's fucked up . Im booting them from my sites , good luck to anyone else that is using them .

09-14-2006, 03:32 AM	#27
e-god Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: BabeLand Posts: 1,735	Refers Sent: 26328 Unique IPs Sent:13018 # Members:758 # Orders: 34 thats my stats for Jan-Current date PPS program, i dont send them much traffic but i cant remember the last time i got a sale, all these orders was in January or February. __________________

09-14-2006, 03:39 AM	#28
xNetworx So Fucking What Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Whore Island Posts: 14,445	My sig is big

09-14-2006, 05:01 AM	#36
sixsax Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Denmark Posts: 213	Elron, sorry if it's irrelevant but you could be making $30 per free signup with MoneyTree for instance. 57 x 30 = $1710 (!!!) you missed out on during the last 10 days.

09-14-2006, 07:38 AM	#39
Xenophage Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 12,122	Interesting point If it is hapening every day, I will have our Tech team check it out thanks for pointing it out.

09-14-2006, 07:52 AM	#40
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09-14-2006, 07:54 AM	#41
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09-14-2006, 09:19 AM	#42
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09-19-2006, 05:04 AM	#43
ttlingshan Registered User Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 1	cams.com commissions One thing we noticed about cams.com: since they introduced the 'up front' commission payment at the start of August, sales almost halved overnight. No change in the volume of referers, uniques, free signups, or anything else, just a 50% overall reduction in commission payments. And no, it wasn't that the big spenders were away on summer vacation, because they didn't come back ;) What would help curb much of the scam speculation, and what would ultimately help savvy web marketers to drive more traffic, would be to provide a set of useful statistics (hourly hits, real time spend, some indication of who is a returning customer and who is a new sale). best TT Ling