And this picture. Whats more likely? A missile or a plane?

http://www.oilempire.us/graphics/blue6.jpg

Uhm whats so strange about? Is this another conspiracy?

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where are the wings??

you only see one big round whole..

No, thats not when YOU look it up, thats when idiots who are making a conspiracy video look it up and need something exciting in their documentary to feed the sheep.

If you look it up you would find pages like this:
http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question...cy/q0265.shtml

Dude the whole building as we can see is damaged from left to right. What you think? That the wings would leave a whole throughout its length?

How did they find dna matching victims that were on that flight inside the Pentagon? How did the blackboxes get there? How get the plane wreckage parts get there? Remember the plane was shot down in the ocean???

Why not let the plane hit the Pentagon like what happened with the WTC and almost the Capitol. Wouldve been WAAAAY easier.

Who told you it was matching DNA. Do you know anyone that was on that plane personaly?

Ok, how do you know your mother is your mother. Man this way there is no conversation possisble.

How do you know the Pentagon even exists? Ever been there?

How do you know a missile exists? Ever seen one?

What you're showing is a pic with lots of smoke...

Here's a pic after the smoke cleared .. no humongous amount of damage... no wing or engine destruction... this was to the immediate left of the single hole....

Looks fine to me. Hole on the right where the plane entered the building and the left of it is damaged. I doubt a missile would make it look that way.

Anyway:

How did they find dna matching victims that were on that flight inside the Pentagon? How did the blackboxes get there? How get the plane wreckage parts get there?

Why not let the plane hit the Pentagon like what happened with the WTC and almost the Capitol. Wouldve been WAAAAY easier.

Looks fine to you?? The entirety of the photo is where the left wing would have hit.. not the little bit of damage at the edge of the hole..

Again.. where's the damage?

You think a wing wouldve made a whole as large as the wing? In a building like the Pentagon?

We had a plane crash years ago..cant think of the name crashed, by the everglades and u wouldn't even have known a plane had crashed there...there was hardly any debris.

Sadly Franck, you're posting pictures of where you are trying to prove a plane "could be" by the damage.... yet with no actual real plane in either picture, much less really convincing damage.

You're not strengthening your case much. I'd ask for help at this point.

February 26, 1993

Does that date mean anything to you? No. That's because the WTC was still standing after the attempt to bring it down on that day.

DNA is very delicate, yet it managed to survive a fire that completely disolved a 757.. Titanium parts and all??

Well.. Rumsfeld said it was a missile s short time after it happened...
In speaking about the Pentagon......

Here we're talking about plastic knives and using an American Airlines flight filled with our citizens, and the missile to damage this building and similar (inaudible) that damaged the World Trade Center.

Was he right? Was he wrong? Did he just guess? Was he not informed accurately?

Maybe its because ive seen an 3d computer animation showing frame by frame what happened to the plane when it hit the Pentagon on discovery channel and the damage make sense to me, as well as the pics.

Nope.. but it would have definitely made a serious mark... and the 6 ton engine would have made a BIG mark..
Just imagine a 6 ton object hitting a wall at 500 mph... It's gonna leave a mark...

I saw that too, was pretty neat. There's still no plane in your pictures.

You started this thread asking what happened to it. And then you post pictures of where it should be and yet... no plane. You're contradicting yourself.

You don't know that the plane existed, you are only going on speculation that there was a plane. Names can be easily made up.

Someone could make a 3d animation of a wing jumping off and doing the Irish jig... doesn't mean that's what happened...

There are diagrams made by national engineering organizations showing the inside of the bldg. after impact.. Support posts that would have been struck are pointing toward the outside, Very few posts damaged, no destruction of the floor immediately inside the bldg., yada yada.. Not the scenario of a 757 slamming into it..

C'mon man. Please tell me your just playing devil's advocate here and don't seriously believe that. Believe the missile theory even, but don't say the plane and people never existed.

who the hell knows...?

Both.

The most logical alternative theory is that a plane other than a 757 was fitted with a missile. This way spectators will report seeing a plane, and they can also accomplish maximum damage.

Many spectators claimed to have seen a small plane. This goes with the theory that a military jet was painted to look like a commercial airline.

The folks that confiscated the videos, and I'm sure a select few others.. :)

For sure? Not a single person posting in this thread.

how could a plane even possibly hit the pentagon? It is the most highy secured airspace in the country......just something to think about

Where do you get this information? There were hundreds of workers who helped clear the wreckage in the coming months following the attack. These were all documented. Can you show me a single reputable source that says that all these people didn't find any plane parts? Please. I keep hearing you spout out all these things like "there was no wreckage" yet you guys don't have a single piece of evidence to back it up. You look at 3 pictures and all of a sudden have more in-depth knowledge than the hundreds of rescue workers on scene. Are you saying all these hundreds of workers are in on the conspiracy too?

Finding the airplane parts, the human bodies that were on the plane, the black boxes, all the eyewitnesses who saw a commercial plane, and all the workers who helped remove the wreckage is 0 proof?

Here is a good read for you guys:

http://www.popularmechanics.com/scie...e/1227842.html

It goes into all the conspiracy theories, including the Pentagon. They have guys who were on the scene who removed body parts, recovered the black box, and even held part of the plane and uniforms of flight attendants in their hands. Did they all make this up?

The funny thing is, both sides of this argument are fueling this discussion with what they heard.

Unless any of you were there when the plane/missile/bus/shopping cart hit the building, you should shut up.

Unless you personally counted how many bodies were or were not removed, you should shut up.

Unless you helped carry out the plane wreckage that did or did not exist, you should shut up.

If your argument is based on internet sites, television, newspaper or media in any fashion, you should shut up.

While it is not wrong to question what is presented as "fact" by the government and media, it is wrong to base an entire argument on heresy and media coverage.

Fact is, none of you know what really happened. You may think you do cause you read some website or you saw some shit on discovery channel, but none of you were there.

The people who call you idiot because you question the original story presented to you are sheep who can't fathom that they may be wrong.

The people who are calling it a conspiracy will use any little piece of evidence, real or fabricated, to further their argument.

You're both morons, please kill yourself.

I leave you with a quote from Chris Rock of all people:
"If you make a decision,based on what you believe, before you know the facts, you are an idiot."

Re-read what I posted. I am not saying anything. But the say that its not even possible is about as stupid as a lot of the crazy conspiracy theories. To think that the US government isn't capable of killing off 60 of its citizens is stupid. the ends always justify the means when it comes to power.

Isnt it amazing how they keep saying 0 proof and simply ignore everything you just mentioned. All the eyewitnesses, body parts, black boxes etc. They just ignore it and keep on screaming nooooo pprrrooof. Bunch of idiots.

Forget PM as a reliable source...

Benjamin Chertoff was the "senior researcher" at Popular Mechanics who was behind the article.. He is a cousin of Michael Chertoff, the new Secretary of the Department of Homeland Security. And his little article is so full of holes that it's amazing that they even published it..

Here's an interview with a Popular Mechanics rep about the article.. He did a bit of backpeddling all of a sudden...

Lots of subscribers to PM have said that it has become a govt' propoganda machine...

All the eyewitnesses? What did they say they saw? They said missle, they said small plane, they said jet liner.. Had it been a 757, nobody would have said small plane... nobody would have said missile... A 757 is a BIG PLANE that would be a bit hard to mistake for a small one... even taking into acount the, 'witness psychology' factors.
Nobody said what they, "Heard". If a 757 was that low there'd be people freaking out at the noise from a plane that size.. but one 'witness' said it sounded like a missile.. I've heard missiles fly by at a relatively close distance and they don't hold a candle to the sound of a 757.. Which by the way would have drawn people's attention from alllll around.. not just a few conflicting stories..

Body parts? Yep.. lots of em.. but guess what.. there were people working in the building .. lots and lots of people..


As for the black boxes.. The black boxes of Flight 77 were allegedly found on September 14th, but yielded "nothing useful" according to FBI director Robert Mueller
Nothing useful? How convenient..

Just release the tapes from the Citgo station and the should tell the whole story.. So why don't they?

Ok, youre totally completely right. Lets forget about the body parts, dna that matched the passengers, big pieces of the plane that were planted there after the missile hit the building. Lets forget about the black boxes and the INDEED many eyewitnesses who saw it happen. These are all small details and obviously fake and based on air.

So ignore on all that and now give me an answer to something i asked in the first post of this thread 3 pages ago. Im still waiting.

Where did the plane and its passengers go if it was a missile that hit the Pentagon.

Since Im not much into these types of discussions since its impossible to prove anything one way or the other - the only thing I can contribute is that the idea that the US government would not do something like the conspiricy theorists propose is totally wrong:
Here is a link to a declassified document from the 1960s that portrays exactly what lengths the US agencies would go to - especially interesting is the attachment with plans:
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20...northwoods.pdf

And please - Im not taking either side - just providing real information

Nice stuff linkster.....makes u think, the gov. will DO what if feels necesarry to carry out it's agenda.