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Calgary = redneck cowboys

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The Sultan Of Smut

You might wanna travel a bit and you'd realize there are far more racist areas then Calgary. Might I suggest the Merrit Mountain Music Festival?

D

Hey, now...

What you gave in the quote was your opinion... as I gave mine. Just because you dressed it up differently - presenting it as fact - doesn't mean it's any more than what it is.

Since it seems you could be confused - I didn't call you racist, we're talking about the issue here, and I believe that racial profiling, no matter how you justify it, is inherently racist in nature. I think it has to be.

And so you understand - achievement is simply 'something accomplished.' Someone can achieve a haircut; someone can achieve a job as a clown; someone can achieve taking over a club and starting shit.

Before you go around calling people "dumb", maybe you should check yourself, bro.

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Right... it is what it is... there are certainly members of any group that epitomize the stereotype of their class/race/whatever, and aid in perpetuating racist thoughts.

I've bartended in every major city along Interstate 10 in the United States... you don't have to convince me that there aren't those stereotypes out there.

but to turn away from the matter and say what it is "isn't racism" is just kidding yourself, I think.

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Pleasurepays

you quoted the definition of racism to make your point. you totally missunderstood the definition as quoted and the fact that it has no application to the situation of clubs being cautious about who they let in the door and why.

D

I disagree. I believe it's apt.

as quoted:

"a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement"

As I understand it: the club owners believe that the darkness of someone's skin color determines how they will handle themselves, or - individually achieve the act of socializing, if you will - in their club that evening.

"Justified" or "Unjustified"... "Blind" or "Not Blind"... is still is.

But I'm not really wanting to argue semantics. My point is that racial profiling is racist in nature - whether it's for money, who you're picking out of the Delta boarding-line, or who you're choosing to toss into a brick oven.

It's all "racism."

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Pleasurepays

you are still missunderstanding the definition. what the definition is saying in its referrence to "achievement" is that basically "its racist to think blacks are dumber than whites"

its not racist to say most rappers are black... or most blacks are better rappers than white kids. its just a simple observation supported by overwhelming evidence.

you are really stretching things for no apparent reason. if Northern Greenland Eskimo Whalers where the ones most frequently starting fights in clubs, its not racist to ban them from clubs. it might be unfair to those who dont start fights, but its not racist and its hardly the problem of the club owner who is trying to run a business where people can come and have fun and enjoy themsleves without worrying about people getting shot or packing the place full of people that spend less or no money..... just like its not racist to say that most terrorists today are islamic fundamentalists. the "whys" are totally irrelevant to the actual facts.

BruceGee

man thats fucked it, but that shiet happens in other areas not just over there.

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You'll say that "it's racist to think blacks are dumber than whites", but disagree that "it's racist to think blacks act differently than whites."

/sigh

I mean, I'm sure somewhere in the world, someone's saying that blacks being dumber than whites is, as you say, "just a simple observation supported by overwhelming evidence," ya know?

I think I understand the definition I used perfectly, man... but I reckon we'll just have to agree to disagree here.

As I understand it, give it any shade or reasoning you want... it's still "racism."

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Huggles

Want racism?



Ask anyone from Vancouver about bad drivers ;)

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Pleasurepays

with your reasoning, you can call anything "racist" - i can use your own logic and arguments to argue that anything is racist. at some point, reason has to come into play. its not racist to suggest that the average Kenyan would be a better long distance runner than the average Chinese. there are a lot of reasons for it (genetically and otherwise) and the argument doesn't have to degrade to "racism".

its so hard to understand whats wrong with people today. the western world is full of nothing but a bunch of politically correct pussies that do EVERYONE a disservice by being making sure no one can voice an opinion without being condemned and ostracized.

if i own a night club and i know from experience that a certain demographic is more likely to cause problems and less likely to spend money, its not "racist". it just is what it is.

if i own a night club and refuse a bunch of dirty bikers entrance, it would make total sense and no one cares... refuse a bunch of broke ass gangbangers and i am a racist asshole and a scourge on society. at the end of the day, its just business. if a certain type of person is more likely to disrupt a business, its not racism to try to keep those people out. race has nothing to do with it.

Pleasurepays

let me help you since you obviously can't read a dictionary - although you keep quoting it.

Racism denotes inferiority or the assumption of inferiority based solely on race. calling someone an idiot solely because of the color of their skin fits that definition.

being "different" doesn't imply inferior. chinese are shorter than western whites. thats not racist.

jesus. you guys having a slow day at your perfect utopian commune or what?

RFremont

Perfectly put. A while back I was having a conversation with a couple of girls and the issue of dating and race came up. One of the girls was stating her preference and she said, 'I don't date black guys and' some other race which I can't remember', and then instantly began nervously explaining herself; 'Oh I'm not racist or anything like that, it's just that I'm not attracted to them'. I told her 'Love, you don't have to explain yourself to me who you prefer to date, that is your own personal preference and don't have to explain your reasoning to anyone'. It's truly become a silly world when one has to be guilted to apologize or explain personal choices in their own life.

Drake

They should bring a couple chicks, problem solved ;)

ztik

You can't seriously expect to get into a nice club wearing shit shitty ecko shirt and backwards hat?

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V_RocKs

Works both ways... If it wasn't for my money I wouldn't get into a lot of clubs that welcome hip-hop style and frown on white guys with bald heads and grey hair...

D

Why the fucking insults? Despite what notions I might have of you I haven't shown you disrespect here once, yet you've dropped it on me twice now.

I never said "inferior" or anything of the like... you're the one that keeps loading on all the negatively connoted baggage that comes with the word.

I think I read the dictionary perfectly. You have my opinion on the matter, and I'm done.

Take it or leave it... other obligations are now taking me away from GFY.

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beemk

i never said a nice club. one of the places was even an arcade style place like dave and busters or gameworks.

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The Sultan Of Smut

LOL the thing is you're ALL bad drivers in Vancouver, race isn't the issue here

Pleasurepays

why the insults? check the site name.

why not insult? its not like i am trying to get a date with you (err... do you swallow?)

of course you didn't. i did... i said it to clarify what "racist" means outside of the narrow context of the quote you used. "racist" is not a positive thing... its not a neutral thing... its negative. "racist" is not a compliment. racist means you judge people as being inferior to yourself based on race. not sure why or how anyone could dissagree with that. the only reason you dance around that is because it forces you into the position of losing your argument since your argument relys solely on the notion of "skin color" as being THE ONLY factor... rather than recurring patterns of behavior that have nothing to do with "skin color"

my "opinion" is that you took one of MANY common definitions for racism and used a definition that doesn't even apply to the conversation to make a point that makes little to no sense.

seven

Dude you are racist no matter how you try to justify being one.. you fit the description just right so be proud

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seven

So you think non-racist clubs in Toronto are making bad business decisions? They are making less money than the racist clubs in Calgary? What I say:


Get your head outta your racist ass that is. LOL

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DjSap

1. Blacks cause a disproportionate amount of trouble in clubs.
2. Trouble in clubs is bad for business.

If you don't accept the first then you are a fooling yourself for the sake of being PC. If you don't accept the second then I think you need a brain transplant.

The few clubs that do not have a discriminatory policy against blacks are hiphop/soul/rnb clubs. All remaining clubs have a more strict policy against blacks. Even the clubs that are run by blacks and immigrants will be more strict as most owners are not racist but are merely trying to make money.

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seven

Since you certainly accept that and that boils down to one simple truth: you are racist by the definition of racism or more so covert racism :

Racism can be both overt and covert. Individual racism sometimes consists of overt acts by individuals, which can result in violence or the destruction of property. Institutional racism is often more covert and subtle. It often appears within the operation of established and respected forces in the society, and frequently receives less public condemnation than the overt type.

Now dude, be proud you have too just joined your racist club.. or maybe you had joined it long ago but been on a denial state all your life til now

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DjSap

I will allow you to call me racist if you give me an answer to the following>

Do you think it is racist to block indonesian traffic or maybe not accept nigerian buyers on your ebay auctions? If no then please explain the difference between these two actions and having a stricter policy for blacks at the door.

I'm hope your head doesn't explode after you realize that ebay is enabling racism.

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seven

Yes it is. I don't block any traffic whatsoever. And I accept any ebay buyer regardless of their races to bid on my auctions. See the problem is when you live in a box and you think all that live outside that box are just like yourself too so you have no need for exploring lol. Comon racist dude, move to a more liberal city like Toronto and even your thinking process just might start changing thou I doubt it but possible nevertheless

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seven

Dude, you should support one more thing.. ask your subscribers for their races on join forms and decline as soon as you find they are blacks

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Huggles

Uh huh. Keep telling yourself that.


1 snowflake hits the ground in Richmond and 4 BMWs are in a ditch.

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Huggles

In Vancouver for the longest time it was VERY well known that if you were black / brown they would not let you into the Wild Coyote. That club had so, so, so many problems with brown people fighting that the owner just said one day "No more". They screened everyone at the door and it was pretty much a white / asian only club for 4-5 years with very little fighting.

Was it racist? You could say so, yes it was.

Was it a good business decision? Only the owners know if they made more money because of it.

Was it a good nightclub? Hell yes. I went there all the time and you didn't have to worry about groups of brown thugs doing a 20-on-1 stompfest on your head.

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seven

Brown thugs=pakis or asians? I did hear about Vancouverians not liking Pakis in the past, like Torontonians didn't Itallians when they were migrating. Anyways, I never worry about brown, black, purple etc. thugs at any night club I go to. I don't act like a big macho or anything so they don't bother me as the matter of fact I didn't see them bothering anybody I know at all but could happen who knows at the same token it could be the other way around. I do remember an asian man get beaten up in Dayton, Ohio club I was at 15 years ago cause he was dancing with a beautiful blonde and some of the rednecks at the club didn't like that. It was sad, I saw the redneck came right behind him waited for his back to bump into him then said "how dare you push me?" and threw a punch. So I can see why those "brown thugs" could want to go to clubs in groups today maybe to protect themselves from "trailer trashes"

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The Sultan Of Smut

No no you misunderstood I wasn't suggesting there aren't worse drivers than others Vancouver but I was saying that ALL Vancouver drivers on average suck. Sorry ya find it offensive but that's just the way it goes.

Aussie Rebel

Why doesn't the news channel show white people trying to get into a black bar?

Fucksakes

I worked at a club as bouncer and we had a dress code, mostly to keep out trouble makers. this was not pointed at the race of a person, but anyone dressing like a thug, punk etc. almost a year that i worked there and we had only 1 fight, yeah yeah it was a black guy, but it was because a white dude "drunk" was swinging his gf all over the dance floor and she slammed into his gf.

when I go clubbing at the clubs with no dress code where all the "kids" go, there will be fights, if not inside.. for sure outside.

TTiger

fact: no street gang issue in calgary no Bloods & Crips...
think about it! why?

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Couldn't find a suicidal white dude.

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Aussie Rebel

lol I could picture a white guy walkin into a black bar , the music would stop, everyone would be turning around, just like in the movies

yota71

Thats what a lot of white people think, Stop watching Tv

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Pornwolf

A white guy is safer in a black bar than a black guy is in a white bar.

It's true. Black people have it ingrained in their heads to fight each other before they fight a white man. Not to mention the black guys aren't threatened by the white guys for a lot of reasons so they have no real interest in messing with them.

On the other hand, as a lot of posts have mentioned, black guys are considered a threat so they are much more likely to get into a fight at a white club for hitting on Bill's sister or ex-girlfriend Jenny... although Jenny is likely to be happy the black guy hit on her.

Strange world we live in.

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You know, back in the early 80's I worked the door at a local Winnipeg Night club that was 90% blacks, it was a long-established bar called "The Brass Rail" (people jokingly referred to it as the "black" rail quite often). Now, I'm a 6'4" 240 lb WHITE guy, and I can't recall ever once having to toss anyone out for fighting. In fact every time I worked there I remember everyone being there to have a good time, period.

The bar owners did not instruct me to keep anyone out except for obvious drunks and troublemakers.

I've been to many nightclubs over the past 25+ years, all across Canada. Can't recall any bouncers ever doing that kind of shit to people like in the video. That one bouncer who went up and pushed those guys is on a power trip and needs someone (maybe a small guy) to step up and drop his ass to the pavement.

Then he needs to be fired, he has the complete wrong temperment for the job.

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tedwinters

No no... Calgary is full of Asians

I go out quite a bit in Calgary.. And what's funny is Tantra and Cowboys are owned by the same guy.... So, it's probably not an owner rule that the bouncers are specifically enforcing...

Additionally, I've seen quite a lot of black people at the clubs - but they are NOT dressed thuggy... Baggy pants / running shoes do NOT usually fly - I tried to help a white guy get in to The Whiskey a few weeks ago who was wearing what the bouncer called 'skater shoes'..

Long story short, it was probably more of an attitude that the bouncers were sensing - rather than straight racism..

CheeseFrog

It didn't look like racism so much as it did the bouncers trying to get more women into the club. Part of their job is to make sure it's not a sausagefest up in the place.

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TTiger

I must have missed it...When is the International White Expo...

http://www.detroitblackexpo.com/

if we were doing a white a white expo we will be consider as racist..if we were doing heterosexual fair we will be homophobic..

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black expo
black entertainment television
black colleges
Black History Month,
Black Television,
Black College Funds, Banned Words, Black Expos..
all apparently not racist

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Black people haven't worn their hats backwards since the '90's. Only retarded white people still do that.

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Drake

Some of those are legit, others less so. For example, black colleges only came into existence because blacks weren't allowed admittance into 'regular' colleges. There used to be a black baseball league for the same reason. Secondly, "black" is a catch-all term for a segment of the population that has no history outside of American history. Whereas you or I can say we're part German or part Irish (and thus can take part in those traditional cultural celebrations, events, customs), most "blacks" in the US have no such connection to their family history. All they have is the melding of various traditions of "blacks" in America since slavery.

I won't say that it's right, or even that its useful, but it's really tokenism. I mean, I don't look at the Women's TV Network as being sexist.

Phoenix

this is bullshit...you show up with ficve ugly and awkward looking guys to aclub anywhere and try to get in..lol

how about cleaning up for the bar

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Drake

Agreed, dress properly, bring girls.

million

People is just overreacting, that is not racism, it would be the same with a white guy in a black ppl bar. You can't go to a white bar just like that, actually I dont understand how they would feel comfortable there. White girls wouldn't pay attention to them, the same would happen with white boys and black girls. I don't live there, but it looks like they're just different people, and not only "because the color of their skin", its just different, their look, outfit, manners, way they talk, different people = different bars, no matter if they are negroes, hippies, communists, motherfuckers or whatever the hell they are.

peace bro!

The Sultan Of Smut

As I mentioned earlier it's the Merrit Mountain Music Festival in Merrit B.C.