Question for solo girl affils. >>>Why did ________ blow up so quickly? Your opinion? - GoFuckYourself.com

seeric · 08-16-2006, 08:03 AM

Raven Riley.

There aren't many that do the kind of $ action that she does. Seems like everyday theres another solo girl coming out.

Was it the fact that she does hardcore? Her team and jaYman?

Her personality? Her overall unique look and sex appeal?

What do you think it was that blew her site up so fast and gave her the household name in solo hardcore that she has?

Besides being the cool ass girl that she is in person I mean?

As affiliates, what did it for you? Why does she convert?

CIVMatt · 08-16-2006, 08:06 AM

She's just got a cute face and isnt afraid to take on anal.... that and I think JaYman knows what the fuck he's doing.

Satan · 08-16-2006, 08:07 AM

Raven WHo? j/k shes a pretty girl and knows how to retain her members

Thomas N · 08-16-2006, 08:10 AM

Definitely many factors. Jayman and his team did well, Raven is hot, etc etc. and there is also the "lightning in a bottle factor", just like facebook, myspace, youtube etc etc, its something you can't put your finger on, it just happens for one site and not for 1,000 others that try the same thing. Some would call it luck, or fate, destiny, chance, hard work, whatever, but it's like catching lightning in a bottle.. my 2 cents.

MikeVega · 08-16-2006, 08:11 AM

It has a lot to do with drive .. I think she was thinking long money from the start (Jay may have something to do with that) most girls think short money and don't put the effort in that Raven puts in. then top it off with the fact that she is sexy and has a great personality ... Raven and Jay are a win ..win

OG LennyT · 08-16-2006, 08:11 AM

Ravens gorgeous and has tons of content but I've never had any luck promoting her. Her name and looks keep me making the galleries though 8 P

SomeCreep · 08-16-2006, 08:14 AM

With solo girl sites, it's all about the people behind the site. In this case, Jayman and crew, they know what they're doing. You could've taken that exact same site and given it to someone else and it'd only be 1/10000th the size that it is right now.

seeric · 08-16-2006, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by CIVMatt

She's just got a cute face and isnt afraid to take on anal.... that and I think JaYman knows what the fuck he's doing.

agreed. Jayman is smart as hell and an industry figurehead. i respect him alot.

seeric · 08-16-2006, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by MikeVega

It has a lot to do with drive .. I think she was thinking long money from the start (Jay may have something to do with that) most girls think short money and don't put the effort in that Raven puts in. then top it off with the fact that she is sexy and has a great personality ... Raven and Jay are a win ..win

solo anything is def a long money game from both sides standpoint and mindset. the program and the girl have to think long money and lots of hours of development.

seeric · 08-16-2006, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by SomeCreep

............You could've taken that exact same site and given it to someone else and it'd only be 1/10000th the size that it is right now.

also agreed.

seeric · 08-16-2006, 09:40 AM

bump5678

free4porn · 08-16-2006, 09:43 AM

she's hot, nuff sed!

seeric · 08-16-2006, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by free4porn

she's hot, nuff sed!

gdog · 08-16-2006, 10:45 AM

Its all about relationships, if the member feels like he is a part of the site and the solo girl is listening to him then he keep rebilling. Personal stuff like diaries, blogs, cam sessions all help

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seeric · 08-16-2006, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by gdog

Its all about relationships, if the member feels like he is a part of the site and the solo girl is listening to him then he keep rebilling. Personal stuff like diaries, blogs, cam sessions all help

G

yep the girls that take care of the members are the ones that rule that rebill baby!

maja · 08-16-2006, 05:07 PM

Tons of factors that all came together to complete the puzzle. Jayman's kick ass planning for the long term, hyping it up before the big launch on his board, having tons of affiliates eager & ready, Raven's dedication & drive ( and also her personalization of her site)

fuzebox · 08-16-2006, 05:13 PM

I think it's the fact that there's hardcore thumbs on her tour promising juicier action, while most people promote her with softcore content... There aren't a lot of hot/cute solo girls who can promise that to the surfer.

Mr.Right - Banned For Life · 08-16-2006, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeVega

It has a lot to do with drive .. I think she was thinking long money from the start (Jay may have something to do with that) most girls think short money and don't put the effort in that Raven puts in. then top it off with the fact that she is sexy and has a great personality ... Raven and Jay are a win ..win

I agree with that also.

seeric · 08-16-2006, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by fuzebox

I think it's the fact that there's hardcore thumbs on her tour promising juicier action, while most people promote her with softcore content... There aren't a lot of hot/cute solo girls who can promise that to the surfer.

agreed. not many solo girls do hardcore successfully.

how many do you think there are total?

Mr. Blue · 08-16-2006, 06:48 PM

It's the right look, she worked hard, and jayman knew what he was doing.. I think a lot of solo girls kinda start off enthused, but end up losing interest in doing the little things to make their members happy, their affiliates happy, etc.

Pornwolf · 08-16-2006, 07:33 PM

Jayman and crew plus she doesn't look like any other solo girl out there.

I don't know if anyone else has noticed but 99% of the solo girls out there look alike.

But, the biggest ones lilke Raven and Tawnee don't look like any of the others.

There's lots to be learned there.

seeric · 08-17-2006, 06:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Pornwolf

Jayman and crew plus she doesn't look like any other solo girl out there.

I don't know if anyone else has noticed but 99% of the solo girls out there look alike.

But, the biggest ones lilke Raven and Tawnee don't look like any of the others.

There's lots to be learned there.

this thread needs more raven pics. let me go and find some more.

seeric · 08-31-2006, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Pornwolf

Jayman and crew plus she doesn't look like any other solo girl out there.

I don't know if anyone else has noticed but 99% of the solo girls out there look alike.

But, the biggest ones lilke Raven and Tawnee don't look like any of the others.

There's lots to be learned there.

i agree a NEW unique looking girl would dominate.

squishypimp · 08-31-2006, 05:43 PM

pretty much all jayman and crew...

Deej · 08-31-2006, 06:06 PM

Because the whole fuckin team rocks.

Carly is hot too, she helps her affiliates out a bunch

ladida · 08-31-2006, 07:29 PM

I'm curious, how big actually you think she is? Member base? What would constitute as big in solo world, or in general maybe.. I have my estimates, but im curious now.

spacedog · 08-31-2006, 08:10 PM

I think having 1,000,000 blogs with pics promoting her helped quite a bit

All the above points are valid as well..

selena · 08-31-2006, 08:25 PM

I'm speaking 100% as an affiliate here, for I was an RR affiliate long before I was the JaYMan Cash affiliate rep.

To me, this is a chicken/egg situation. There is no doubt about the value of what Raven has behind her in terms of a team. (excluding myself from that statement). I know I'm prejudiced, but I was really hesitant about taking a job working for someone else, even if it was part time. But the rep of the people involved with the program is what swayed me. Imho, they are up there in the cream of this biz.

Raven is the other part of that equation. I got a MA pass to her site very early on, and I'm telling you that the girl interacts with her members. They adore her. She's lovely, but it is more than that. She very much is able to convey her personality to them, and they keep coming back for month after month for more.

I have the rebills to prove it. ;)

I think it was just a matter of the right girl being in the right hands at the right time.

Brujah · 08-31-2006, 08:38 PM

JaymanCash did the same thing with Liz Vicious that I can see so far.. and a BIG part of it in my opinion is ample content available early on, especially for the gallery submitters, and SEO guys to start flooding the net. She was everywhere, and people wanted to see more.

Invest · 08-31-2006, 08:40 PM

Her overall unique look and sex appeal. Bingo

pocketkangaroo · 08-31-2006, 09:19 PM

I think part of it is the promotion and part of it is the girl. Some girls just have a look that guys like for some reason. If you notice the popular solo girls of all time, not many had that stereotypical Barbie look to them. They were all unique whether it be Raven, Tiffany Teen, Jordan Capri, Tawnee Stone, and so on.

Another thing you see with solo girls is that you can almost tell when a girl is about to explode on the scene. Some of the bigger affiliate sites start pushing them and it trickles on down to the smaller affiliates. I've always said that the best way to get a girl big is to buy spots immediately on some of the biggest solo girl/teen sites on the web. It might put you in the red for a little while, but it gets the name out there and it causes a trickle down effect to other affiliates. I know for a fact that when I started, the girls I promoted were always the ones featured on sites like PetiteTeenager, etc.

pocketkangaroo · 08-31-2006, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Brujah

JaymanCash did the same thing with Liz Vicious that I can see so far.. and a BIG part of it in my opinion is ample content available early on, especially for the gallery submitters, and SEO guys to start flooding the net. She was everywhere, and people wanted to see more.

I'd go farther and say that I think you need to constantly add new content and new tools to affiliates. Surfers find a new girl and they'll constantly look for new material of her. If you keep slowly feeding new material, you'll build up a following for the girl.

08-16-2006, 08:03 AM	#1
seeric .......... Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: .......... Posts: 41,917	Question for solo girl affils. >>>Why did ________ blow up so quickly? Your opinion? Raven Riley. There aren't many that do the kind of $ action that she does. Seems like everyday theres another solo girl coming out. Was it the fact that she does hardcore? Her team and jaYman? Her personality? Her overall unique look and sex appeal? What do you think it was that blew her site up so fast and gave her the household name in solo hardcore that she has? Besides being the cool ass girl that she is in person I mean? As affiliates, what did it for you? Why does she convert? Last edited by seeric; 08-16-2006 at 08:04 AM..

08-16-2006, 08:06 AM	#2
CIVMatt Amateur Pimpin Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 13,075	She's just got a cute face and isnt afraid to take on anal.... that and I think JaYman knows what the fuck he's doing. __________________ Make easy money with Webcams

08-16-2006, 08:07 AM	#3
Satan Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Hell Posts: 1,626	Raven WHo? j/k shes a pretty girl and knows how to retain her members __________________ WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU?

08-16-2006, 08:11 AM	#5
MikeVega Porntrepreneur Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: New York Posts: 12,788	It has a lot to do with drive .. I think she was thinking long money from the start (Jay may have something to do with that) most girls think short money and don't put the effort in that Raven puts in. then top it off with the fact that she is sexy and has a great personality ... Raven and Jay are a win ..win __________________ Mike Vega-ICQ:253868499-AIM:mikeydicevega

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OG LennyT Wall Street Pimp Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 14,345	Ravens gorgeous and has tons of content but I've never had any luck promoting her. Her name and looks keep me making the galleries though 8 P __________________ Tradeking - my online broker \| 4.95 a trade \| make real $$

08-16-2006, 08:10 AM	#4
Thomas N Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 973	Definitely many factors. Jayman and his team did well, Raven is hot, etc etc. and there is also the "lightning in a bottle factor", just like facebook, myspace, youtube etc etc, its something you can't put your finger on, it just happens for one site and not for 1,000 others that try the same thing. Some would call it luck, or fate, destiny, chance, hard work, whatever, but it's like catching lightning in a bottle.. my 2 cents.

08-16-2006, 08:14 AM	#7
SomeCreep :glugglug Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Where the Wild Things Are Posts: 26,118	With solo girl sites, it's all about the people behind the site. In this case, Jayman and crew, they know what they're doing. You could've taken that exact same site and given it to someone else and it'd only be 1/10000th the size that it is right now. __________________ Webair Hosting I use and recommend Webair for hosting.

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seeric .......... Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: .......... Posts: 41,917	bump5678

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gdog Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: San Diego Posts: 1,550	Its all about relationships, if the member feels like he is a part of the site and the solo girl is listening to him then he keep rebilling. Personal stuff like diaries, blogs, cam sessions all help G __________________ Busty Amateurs is Back - Meet the Girls \| Read the BLOG \| See the UPDATES High conversions and high retention, almost 1000 hosted galleries 995 PAYS Samples Big Boobs \| Busty Babes \| Strap Ons \| Hardcore \| Amateurs \| Videos

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maja Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Dirty D is my human bong! Posts: 868	Tons of factors that all came together to complete the puzzle. Jayman's kick ass planning for the long term, hyping it up before the big launch on his board, having tons of affiliates eager & ready, Raven's dedication & drive ( and also her personalization of her site) __________________ FETISH SITES PAYS ME WELL! DOES IT PAY YOU TOO? If you're in vancouver / westcoast stop by here! ~~~zombiegirl~~ I've made out with Dwreck, have you?

08-16-2006, 05:13 PM	#17
fuzebox making it rain Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: seattle Posts: 22,119	I think it's the fact that there's hardcore thumbs on her tour promising juicier action, while most people promote her with softcore content... There aren't a lot of hot/cute solo girls who can promise that to the surfer.

08-16-2006, 06:48 PM	#20
Mr. Blue Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New York Posts: 536	It's the right look, she worked hard, and jayman knew what he was doing.. I think a lot of solo girls kinda start off enthused, but end up losing interest in doing the little things to make their members happy, their affiliates happy, etc. __________________ See Sig...oh wait.

08-16-2006, 07:33 PM	#21
Pornwolf Drunk and Unruly Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hollywood Posts: 22,712	Jayman and crew plus she doesn't look like any other solo girl out there. I don't know if anyone else has noticed but 99% of the solo girls out there look alike. But, the biggest ones lilke Raven and Tawnee don't look like any of the others. There's lots to be learned there. __________________ I've trusted my sites to them for over a decade... Webair, bitches.

08-31-2006, 05:43 PM	#24
squishypimp PostMaster General Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 10,781	pretty much all jayman and crew... __________________ Signature For Sale

08-31-2006, 06:06 PM	#25
Deej I make pixels work Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: I live here... Posts: 24,386	Because the whole fuckin team rocks. Carly is hot too, she helps her affiliates out a bunch __________________ Deej's Designs n' What Not Hit me up for Design, CSS & Photo Retouching Icq#30096880

08-31-2006, 07:29 PM	#26
ladida Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,167	I'm curious, how big actually you think she is? Member base? What would constitute as big in solo world, or in general maybe.. I have my estimates, but im curious now. __________________ agentGFY at gmail.com

08-31-2006, 08:10 PM	#27
spacedog Yes that IS me. Bitch. Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 14,149	I think having 1,000,000 blogs with pics promoting her helped quite a bit All the above points are valid as well..

08-31-2006, 08:25 PM	#28
selena Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: On The Edge Posts: 7,994	I'm speaking 100% as an affiliate here, for I was an RR affiliate long before I was the JaYMan Cash affiliate rep. To me, this is a chicken/egg situation. There is no doubt about the value of what Raven has behind her in terms of a team. (excluding myself from that statement). I know I'm prejudiced, but I was really hesitant about taking a job working for someone else, even if it was part time. But the rep of the people involved with the program is what swayed me. Imho, they are up there in the cream of this biz. Raven is the other part of that equation. I got a MA pass to her site very early on, and I'm telling you that the girl interacts with her members. They adore her. She's lovely, but it is more than that. She very much is able to convey her personality to them, and they keep coming back for month after month for more. I have the rebills to prove it. ;) I think it was just a matter of the right girl being in the right hands at the right time. __________________ ~ Doer of Things at MetArtMoney Where Flawless Beauty Meets Art ~The MetArt Network ~ selena.delgado9

08-31-2006, 08:38 PM	#29
Brujah Beer Money Baron Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: brujah / gmail Posts: 22,157	JaymanCash did the same thing with Liz Vicious that I can see so far.. and a BIG part of it in my opinion is ample content available early on, especially for the gallery submitters, and SEO guys to start flooding the net. She was everywhere, and people wanted to see more. __________________ Free Premium Domain Lists and Tools at Clickmojo.com For Sale: Obscenity.com

08-31-2006, 08:40 PM	#30
Invest Registered User Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: On the otherside Posts: 85	Her overall unique look and sex appeal. Bingo

08-31-2006, 09:19 PM	#31
pocketkangaroo Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 8,452	I think part of it is the promotion and part of it is the girl. Some girls just have a look that guys like for some reason. If you notice the popular solo girls of all time, not many had that stereotypical Barbie look to them. They were all unique whether it be Raven, Tiffany Teen, Jordan Capri, Tawnee Stone, and so on. Another thing you see with solo girls is that you can almost tell when a girl is about to explode on the scene. Some of the bigger affiliate sites start pushing them and it trickles on down to the smaller affiliates. I've always said that the best way to get a girl big is to buy spots immediately on some of the biggest solo girl/teen sites on the web. It might put you in the red for a little while, but it gets the name out there and it causes a trickle down effect to other affiliates. I know for a fact that when I started, the girls I promoted were always the ones featured on sites like PetiteTeenager, etc.