Is BangBros/Bang Bus That Far Ahead Of The Competition? - GoFuckYourself.com

Platinum Lantern · 08-29-2006, 08:32 PM

Ok, now it's been years since Bangbus took the online porn world by STORM
And basically introduced the world to reality porn...
Years later they look to be absolutely killing the competition...
releasing a new scene every single day (or at least Monday-Friday)
Each sub-site having a new update weekly

My question is, why isn't their an equal product out?
The only site that I can think of who produces as much quality content is nasty dollars but bangbros holds the content crown.

I know it costs a lot of money to produce all that content
BUT

What about all the companies who made millions before bang bros got started?

Why aren't they making sites/members areas just as good/competitive....

Juicy D. Links · 08-29-2006, 08:34 PM

"The only site that I can think of who produces as much quality content is nasty dollars but bangbros holds the content crown"

Nasty Dollars and Bang Bros = Same People

wiggitywack · 08-29-2006, 08:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Juicy D. Links

"The only site that I can think of who produces as much quality content is nasty dollars but bangbros holds the content crown"

Nasty Dollars and Bang Bros = Same People

sort of but not really

jesse_adultdatingdollars · 08-29-2006, 08:43 PM

They are smart and productive. I wish they would put one of my sites as a upsell in their members area.

OTerror · 08-29-2006, 08:50 PM

Bang Bros is way ahead of everyone.

JimiJimi · 08-29-2006, 09:13 PM

bump for a very good question. plus bb gives free trailers for every forever

MaddCaz · 08-29-2006, 09:14 PM

yea BangBros dont PLAY

Platinum Lantern · 08-29-2006, 09:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Platinum Lantern

What about all the companies who made millions before bang bros got started?

Why aren't they making sites/members areas just as good/competitive....

But what about those companies who made MILLIONS and MILLIONS back during the gold rush era, why don't they put some hundred thousands toward making a competitive product?

Love Sex · 08-29-2006, 09:41 PM

I could tell you why but then everyone would know.

Barefootsies · 08-29-2006, 10:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Love Sex

I could tell you why but then everyone would know.

and copy it a hundred times over. It would be played out w/i 6-12 months.

Big_Red · 08-29-2006, 10:15 PM

let me empire begin.

tony286 · 08-29-2006, 10:16 PM

where do they find all those models lol

Z · 08-29-2006, 10:38 PM

details....details

ninavain · 08-29-2006, 11:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Platinum Lantern

Ok, now it's been years since Bangbus took the online porn world by STORM
And basically introduced the world to reality porn...
Years later they look to be absolutely killing the competition...
releasing a new scene every single day (or at least Monday-Friday)
Each sub-site having a new update weekly

My question is, why isn't their an equal product out?
The only site that I can think of who produces as much quality content is nasty dollars but bangbros holds the content crown.

I know it costs a lot of money to produce all that content
BUT

What about all the companies who made millions before bang bros got started?

Why aren't they making sites/members areas just as good/competitive....

YES they are

PenetratinP · 08-29-2006, 11:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tony404

where do they find all those models lol

Miami, FL

There's a huge influx of hot latina immigrants/illegals & a rotating supply of American hotties coming to soak up the sunshine.

RawAlex · 08-29-2006, 11:57 PM

Part of the hidden success of bangbros is that they went with the humor angle for stuff. There is no "cutting room floor" for bad tape, pretty much everything gets used.

With good performers who can actually spew bullshit on the fly and make horrible amatuer performers look good and funny, well, you have a winning formula.

It isn't about the sex. That is the funniest part.

Alex

JimiJimi · 08-30-2006, 12:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tony404

where do they find all those models lol

Jay Steele of SteeleProductions com has recruited and shot with more 1st times than ANY 1 person out there. I'll put together a list with him and post it if your interested?

tranza · 08-30-2006, 12:28 PM

How are their conversions nowadays? It's been a while since I last promoted them.

bigmacandcheese · 08-30-2006, 12:33 PM

Their ability to send your link code directly to a specific girl rocks too, very useful.

If anyone wants to write a review of BangBros at Sponsu.com you could win yourself an iPod. We're working to collect some of this great sponsor knowledge together in one easy location.

Far-L · 08-30-2006, 12:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Platinum Lantern

Ok, now it's been years since Bangbus took the online porn world by STORM
And basically introduced the world to reality porn...
Years later they look to be absolutely killing the competition...
releasing a new scene every single day (or at least Monday-Friday)
Each sub-site having a new update weekly

My question is, why isn't their an equal product out?
The only site that I can think of who produces as much quality content is nasty dollars but bangbros holds the content crown.

I know it costs a lot of money to produce all that content
BUT

What about all the companies who made millions before bang bros got started?

Why aren't they making sites/members areas just as good/competitive....

We release new videos every day, including saturday and sunday and sometimes two per day along with daily pic updates...

We have the longest running series in the history of porn. We had the highest converting and retaining site while we were CE but our break up with them set us back to square one - and it also meant standing by helplessly and watching those guys explode. (much praise to them - great product - they deserve all their glory and rebills)

However.... we are still one of the top converting sites and the top retaining site with our current processor, DHD RevEx.

Watch out for us though. Our comeback will be like Lance Armstrong's recovery...

Exciting things in our future...

Marshal · 08-30-2006, 12:47 PM

very interesting topic, i have to admit!

FlyingIguana · 08-30-2006, 01:02 PM

a few years ago i had a payment problem with nasty dollars and they went above and beyond in dealing with it. right now i'm having a problem with bang bros and after almost a week no responses.

they may have tons of content but service counts for something...

Doctor Dre · 08-30-2006, 01:05 PM

Bangbros / Nasty Dollars / Oxcash all belong to the same person I heard last week.

seeric · 08-30-2006, 01:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Platinum Lantern

Ok, now it's been years since Bangbus took the online porn world by STORM
And basically introduced the world to reality porn...
Years later they look to be absolutely killing the competition...
releasing a new scene every single day (or at least Monday-Friday)
Each sub-site having a new update weekly

My question is, why isn't their an equal product out?
The only site that I can think of who produces as much quality content is nasty dollars but bangbros holds the content crown.

I know it costs a lot of money to produce all that content
BUT

What about all the companies who made millions before bang bros got started?

Why aren't they making sites/members areas just as good/competitive....

actually online has not done reality first. companies like shanes world, buttman, and a ton of others on the video side were doin reality before that. i think were one of the first online to do it though.

Pipecrew · 08-30-2006, 01:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Far-L

We release new videos every day, including saturday and sunday and sometimes two per day along with daily pic updates...

We have the longest running series in the history of porn. We had the highest converting and retaining site while we were CE but our break up with them set us back to square one - and it also meant standing by helplessly and watching those guys explode. (much praise to them - great product - they deserve all their glory and rebills)

However.... we are still one of the top converting sites and the top retaining site with our current processor, DHD RevEx.

Watch out for us though. Our comeback will be like Lance Armstrong's recovery...

Exciting things in our future...

I have a membership at homegrownvideo and love it there, but the way you guys have been encoding stuff recently/differently is making it so it will no longer play for me, video freezes and turns green

Expo_Vids · 08-30-2006, 01:16 PM

Being on the content producing side this last year has really changed. Seems program owners ARE realizing that they can't just sling the same shit they have in the past if they want to compete.

I don't see how people can jerk off to most of that mass produced licenced content anyway. Seems like everyone uses the same cheesey set, lousy camera work, and overall bland look to the scenes.

Cranking out scenes like McDonalds burgers is the only formula to make your custom content prices attractive to most buyers but there are a few who actually give a fuck about quality and will pay a little more.

max40 · 08-30-2006, 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Far-L

We release new videos every day, including saturday and sunday and sometimes two per day along with daily pic updates...

We have the longest running series in the history of porn. We had the highest converting and retaining site while we were CE but our break up with them set us back to square one - and it also meant standing by helplessly and watching those guys explode. (much praise to them - great product - they deserve all their glory and rebills)

However.... we are still one of the top converting sites and the top retaining site with our current processor, DHD RevEx.

Watch out for us though. Our comeback will be like Lance Armstrong's recovery...

Exciting things in our future...

Have you ever seen your homegrownvideo in Firefox? It looks OK in MSIE and in Opera, but not in Firefox. Check it and fix - a lot of people use FF these days...

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Digipimp · 08-30-2006, 01:31 PM

too bad they dont convert anymore and they randomly changed their stat counts or some shit

Lord Aga · 08-30-2006, 01:34 PM

ooops! the damn thing froze! honest! lol

Far-L · 08-30-2006, 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pipecrew

I have a membership at homegrownvideo and love it there, but the way you guys have been encoding stuff recently/differently is making it so it will no longer play for me, video freezes and turns green

That is not us - that is a bandwidth issue that affects the wm files. We have been working with our friends at (M) to get that resolved.

Thanks for the compliments though and chris AT homegrownvideo dot com might be able to help you with that issue more.

Far-L · 08-30-2006, 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by max40

Have you ever seen your homegrownvideo in Firefox? It looks OK in MSIE and in Opera, but not in Firefox. Check it and fix - a lot of people use FF these days...

yep - we know that and it is on the list of fixes. Thanks for the heads up.

Far-L · 08-30-2006, 01:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A1R3K

actually online has not done reality first. companies like shanes world, buttman, and a ton of others on the video side were doin reality before that. i think were one of the first online to do it though.

We were around before all of them. Homegrown Video and Ugly George were the innovators and inspiration to most of the O.G "reality" shooters.

Bossman · 08-30-2006, 01:58 PM

Far-L - you have great content, and I can see it doing even more ? with a few add-ons to your internet sales channel

gdog · 08-30-2006, 02:05 PM

BangBus is a full fledged brand on the internet, they are light years ahead of the competition and have a huge budget to shoot. One of my exes shot with them in LA years ago and they rented a house for a week and had about 20 girls come through the house to shoot with them for their sites. That on a $$$ scale alone is huge and allows them to update their sites as they do.

They kicked it up a notch for sure back in the day and have been in high gear ever since. Airek is right though about reality, they were the first on the web but Seymore and Shane were the first in porn to do the reality stuff.

My hat goes off to Kris and the crew at Oxcash, they run a tight ship and produce great content and high retention members areas.

Far-L · 08-30-2006, 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bossman

Far-L - you have great content, and I can see it doing even more ? with a few add-ons to your internet sales channel

Thanks - that is what we are focused on these days... if you have any suggestions then we would love to incorporate them. Our goal right now is to launch big by the Jan. show but we are looking for beta-testers that we can develop custom tools for in the meantime.

Anyone interested can hit me up timlake AT homegrownvideo dot com.

Far-L · 08-30-2006, 02:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gdog

BangBus is a full fledged brand on the internet, they are light years ahead of the competition and have a huge budget to shoot. One of my exes shot with them in LA years ago and they rented a house for a week and had about 20 girls come through the house to shoot with them for their sites. That on a $$$ scale alone is huge and allows them to update their sites as they do.

They kicked it up a notch for sure back in the day and have been in high gear ever since. Airek is right though about reality, they were the first on the web but Seymore and Shane were the first in porn to do the reality stuff.

My hat goes off to Kris and the crew at Oxcash, they run a tight ship and produce great content and high retention members areas.

I disagree that they were the first. But I do think they did it the best by having the foresight to how to use their content for marketing/branding.

Seymour was inspired by Buttman and Shane was merely an offshoot of Seymour... that makes Seymour third generation and Shane fourth gen. - not the first by any stretch. I guess only the old old timers like myself would split pubic hairs over something like that though...

Far-L · 08-30-2006, 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Far-L

That is not us - that is a bandwidth issue that affects the wm files. We have been working with our friends at (M) to get that resolved.

Thanks for the compliments though and chris AT homegrownvideo dot com might be able to help you with that issue more.

btw... thanks again for the compliment! (would you mind if we quoted you on that?)

xNetworx · 08-30-2006, 03:03 PM

I want to see pics of the owner (Bang Bros) crib

SGS · 08-30-2006, 03:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Far-L

We were around before all of them. Homegrown Video and Ugly George were the innovators and inspiration to most of the O.G "reality" shooters.

I remember Ugly George.

wedouglas · 08-30-2006, 03:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pimpporn

I want to see pics of the owner (Bang Bros) crib

Likewise. I thought Jordan posted pics before, but I think I missed em.

I could be mistaken though.

jact · 08-30-2006, 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by max40

Have you ever seen your homegrownvideo in Firefox? It looks OK in MSIE and in Opera, but not in Firefox. Check it and fix - a lot of people use FF these days...

This issue is being addressed, as I use Firefox

Far-L · 08-30-2006, 04:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SGS

I remember Ugly George.

I met him a few years back... he seemed a little bitter about missing the boat... Felt kind of sorry for him but that is life in the big city...

latinasojourn · 08-30-2006, 04:23 PM

content is cheap to produce when your "set" is a moving vehicle.

basically, the main expense is modeling fees, gas, and jiffy lube.

not faulting the business model, it is pure genius.

Rui · 08-30-2006, 04:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Platinum Lantern

But what about those companies who made MILLIONS and MILLIONS back during the gold rush era, why don't they put some hundred thousands toward making a competitive product?

Many made such amounts fucking the members and affiliates...

Their business model was far far different from BB one (when it comes to members area quality,etc..)

Far-L · 08-30-2006, 04:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rui

Many made such amounts fucking the members and affiliates...

Their business model was far far different from BB one (when it comes to members area quality,etc..)

lol, so true, and many of those former giants are today hanging on for dear life to their former glory... if you can call double billing, phantom credits, other shave schemes, false advertising and other shady dealings glorious...

Bang Bus hailed in the era where content once again mattered... (not that it didn't before... but many had lost track of how critical it was in the longterm).

BB made money the old fashioned way... they earned it. Did I also mention that they are still our brothers in the fight against Acacia?

topshelfdesign · 08-30-2006, 05:29 PM

Well done to them its one thing to get where they are and another to stay there

L0rdJuni0r · 08-30-2006, 05:48 PM

Bang bros is the shiznit!

King of Queens · 08-30-2006, 06:02 PM

under promise and over deliver

08-29-2006, 08:32 PM	#1
Platinum Lantern Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Shreveport, LA Posts: 1,564	Is BangBros/Bang Bus That Far Ahead Of The Competition? Ok, now it's been years since Bangbus took the online porn world by STORM And basically introduced the world to reality porn... Years later they look to be absolutely killing the competition... releasing a new scene every single day (or at least Monday-Friday) Each sub-site having a new update weekly My question is, why isn't their an equal product out? The only site that I can think of who produces as much quality content is nasty dollars but bangbros holds the content crown. I know it costs a lot of money to produce all that content BUT What about all the companies who made millions before bang bros got started? Why aren't they making sites/members areas just as good/competitive.... __________________ SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.

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08-29-2006, 11:57 PM	#16
RawAlex So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: In a house. Posts: 9,465	Part of the hidden success of bangbros is that they went with the humor angle for stuff. There is no "cutting room floor" for bad tape, pretty much everything gets used. With good performers who can actually spew bullshit on the fly and make horrible amatuer performers look good and funny, well, you have a winning formula. It isn't about the sex. That is the funniest part. Alex

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