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Old 08-11-2006, 03:01 PM   #301
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Old 08-11-2006, 03:03 PM   #302
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The Sons of Jesus cry out for the suffering they are feeling. Prophets and Poets have counted the rubles and more than one million are missing. The wallets are empty and the children are suffer. I must teach the men to fish.

Forgiveness is not forgiven until the sins are repayed and the lucifers are left to rot in the pools of the blackended blood that spews from the cold hearts.

My teachings are open for the hearts willing to be accepting. The skeptics share the same black heart of the rancid lucifers. Be cautious my children.

It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.

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Old 08-11-2006, 03:11 PM   #303
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I don't think Kacy is putting her rep on the line, she is only stating her position. What ever her position is will not affect our business with her. I have had my web server co-located with her since right after she started doing hosting, and all that time I have had basically zero downtime and no problems.
So what ever her position is on this, her companies service outweighs what ever the outcome.

Prior to my server being at her place, it was in my house (I had 3 DS1's into my house) because I did not trust anyone else to host it, too many dishonest people in this business. But right before her, I was going to try cavecreek hosting (ccbill's hosting) but it took them 3 weeks to buld the damn server then when it was ready, it had so many problems I told them to pack it up and send it to Kacy, where it has been ever since. Her reputation speaks for its self. Her business and service has no competition in my opinion.

Keep in mind, I am not looking for cheap, I am looking for good.. I do not know how she compares for those looking for cheap. My business is worth more to me then cheap service/prices.

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Kacy puts her support towards the blackend hearts of the greedy lucifers of NR Media because the monies removed from the accounts of my sons has been used to pay the bills for her business and support in public forum.

Only the crazy of the crazy, with a mind of marbles, would speak the truths of the lucifers if they too were paying you for a services.

My sons, the affiliates .. the victims .. the lonely sheep without the currencies needed for payment of their breads for the children are not showing the support. The light has been shown and they see it.

Blessed is the one who brings the lucifers to the cross for public judgements.

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Old 08-11-2006, 03:35 PM   #310
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Getting old sure is affecting your memory. Not one week ago you told me you DIDN'T want to know what I did in this business lol. My answer now is the same as before. I don't answer to some old guy that USED to be in the business and is trying very hard to hang on to his old glory days. You really want to know what I do, ask around. You would be EXTREMELY surprised. Now please, go buy some hair dye, take your alzheimer's medication, lube up your head and see if you can fit it up one of important people in this industry's ass because apparently that is the only way you feel you have value anymore.
Translation: I'm exactly the low level employee you've pegged me as but I won't admit it
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I don't think Kacy is putting her rep on the line, she is only stating her position. What ever her position is will not affect our business with her. I have had my web server co-located with her since right after she started doing hosting, and all that time I have had basically zero downtime and no problems.
So what ever her position is on this, her companies service outweighs what ever the outcome.

Prior to my server being at her place, it was in my house (I had 3 DS1's into my house) because I did not trust anyone else to host it, too many dishonest people in this business. But right before her, I was going to try cavecreek hosting (ccbill's hosting) but it took them 3 weeks to buld the damn server then when it was ready, it had so many problems I told them to pack it up and send it to Kacy, where it has been ever since. Her reputation speaks for its self. Her business and service has no competition in my opinion.

Keep in mind, I am not looking for cheap, I am looking for good.. I do not know how she compares for those looking for cheap. My business is worth more to me then cheap service/prices.

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When you vouch for someone, you ARE putting your rep on the line. You're essentially saying "hey, I'm a notable person in this industry and personally stand by what this person does"

Ever watch mob movies? Someone vouches for someone and that someone fucks up.... BOTH of you get whacked. End of story. You can't just vouch for someone and not have repurcussion, not how the world works.
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Old 08-11-2006, 04:08 PM   #312
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Either way, seems to me like bad business to post that sort of thing publicy on the boards..... Not sure if I am missing something, but in the real business world, those things are contractual breaches and are dealt with by attorneys....

By posting that sort of info, im sure Too Much Media may have violated any confidentiality they had in the contract regardless if the other party was wrong or not...

Not sure if I would like Nats people playing judge, jury and verdict and then posting about it before it is resolved entirely.

Am I wrong or?
Shaving IS wrong...
Im not defending the other party, just speaking in generalities...

you're right on the money
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Old 08-11-2006, 04:48 PM   #313
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yes you can... Bush vouched for lots of people.... look what kind of job they are doing now....
Kacy runs a very good business... the only people it would affect are the ones who cannot afford her

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Old 08-11-2006, 05:38 PM   #314
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Old 08-11-2006, 08:44 PM   #315
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Old 08-11-2006, 08:44 PM   #316
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How'd this fall off to page 2? Have we all suddenly stopped caring and moved on, or do the would you hit it threads have more importance?
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Old 08-11-2006, 11:49 PM   #317
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YARGH! More like Theo, than Chio.
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Old 08-11-2006, 11:55 PM   #319
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Old 08-12-2006, 05:13 AM   #320
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Old 08-12-2006, 06:16 AM   #321
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but TMM was very careful not to say anything about rebills except that there was a discrepency....they never said shaving, XC did that for them ;)
but the seed was planted, he chose his words carefully but also knew how everyone would read into what he said. He flat out said they are shaving rebills without actually having said it. Very well played
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Interesting where this will end (the lawsuit)
I doubt it will ever see the inside of a court room. That would mean that N.R. Media would have to make it's sales data for the period in question public record in order to use it as evidence. Not something I think they'd want to do even if it shows no dicrepencies.
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Old 08-12-2006, 07:11 AM   #324
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That reminds me, I better pay my NATs bill.....

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That reminds me, I better pay my NATs bill.....

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sucks when the nats liscense expired shows up cause you were late but definetly good for them to do since so many do get slow on payments to vendors
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It seems to me that an "active and vigorous investigation in order to insure that all its Affiliates have been properly paid for all business generated during their participation in NRMS Affiliate program" would involve COOPERATION with NATS, not an aggressive stance....

TMM has always been very helpful and very expedient solving any questions regarding the implementation of their software and questions that arise from it's use.
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Ill jump in here again and admit to being lost..

Brandi and Chris say they have done no worng by the blog entery and the letter to their webmasters so why answer the call from TMM with what souds pretty much like a FUCK YOU and hang up? why not just deal with it if there IS NO ISSUE?

things dont add up...
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Old 08-12-2006, 12:46 PM   #333
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pick a page, Franck... its been summed up a few times, hehe
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NATS has definately up there standing way beyond any other in their industry.
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Can someone sum up these 7 pages?
TMM says that XClusiveCash is shaving signups and that when called on it, they were rude and hung up on TMM. Too Much Media suspends their NATS license. Other people come in and say so and so is "stand up".
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Can someone sum up these 7 pages?
Given that TMM can (and apparently does, based upon the existence of this thread ) look at ALL the sales stats across all billers for every NATS licensee, it seems like this is the best summary:

Too Much Media --> <-- NATS licensees

Especially when you consider that TMM run their own paysites...
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Given that TMM can (and apparently does, based upon the existence of this thread ) look at ALL the sales stats across all billers for every NATS licensee, it seems like this is the best summary:

Too Much Media --> <-- NATS licensees

Especially when you consider that TMM run their own paysites...
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Imagine all that great data NATS has access to, including referrals to know who the whales are and how they get their traffic and sales. Which sites convert best in which niches, etc..
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I'm sure it's all encrypted on their end.. Meaning it's likely just numbers or letters that they have access to and not names or affilite ID's. If they even have that much access.
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Imagine all that great data NATS has access to, including referrals to know who the whales are and how they get their traffic and sales. Which sites convert best in which niches, etc..
I don't actually think they have access to the data you are referring to, if they did have access to that and they are paysite owners themselves, that would be one hell of a lawsuit and conflict of interest
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I don't actually think they have access to the data you are referring to, if they did have access to that and they are paysite owners themselves, that would be one hell of a lawsuit and conflict of interest
You are 100% wrong. Nats has a full admin access and shell access/ftp access to most of the programs who lease or buy their software unless the program owners explicitly deactivate their permissions or delete their account.
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What is it with you these days and your "low level employee" obsession? Do you treat your employees with the same amount of respect?

What makes a "low level employee" such? I was making more in just adult than others with higher "titles" when I was at WEG, so is it the TITLE that makes you a "high level employee", especially when you give YOURSELF your title? I think I'd rather have the $$$ and no title at all

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You are 100% wrong. Nats has a full admin access and shell access/ftp access to most of the programs who lease or buy their software unless the program owners explicitly deactivate their permissions or delete their account.
wow, I had no idea...that is pretty jacked up then if the owners of a program have access to data of 50% of the other programs out there....jesus

i can't believe programs would even think of putting their trust into that situation

nothing against TMM and I have no clue how honest they are or aren't, but you can go to hell if you think the owners of Citibank are going to let the owners of Joe Schmoe Credit union code their backend system...LOL
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Old 08-13-2006, 12:41 PM   #348
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wow, I had no idea...that is pretty jacked up then if the owners of a program have access to data of 50% of the other programs out there....jesus

i can't believe programs would even think of putting their trust into that situation

nothing against TMM and I have no clue how honest they are or aren't, but you can go to hell if you think the owners of Citibank are going to let the owners of Joe Schmoe Credit union code their backend system...LOL
We do not maintain any SSH login info for any clients. You'd be suprised how many clients complain about this but we refuse to do it for security reasons.

Any client is welcome to change our admin username and password so we can not access it. If we need access for whatever reason we will request it. The vast vast majority don't becuase they know us and trust us.

I have operated paysites for many years before starting Too Much Media / NATS. Very nearly all of the money TMM generates goes right back into TMM (growing staff, etc.). I can not just close them and stop, I still need to eat while maintaining the growth TMM deserves

Again, our clients trust us. It would become very obvious if any NATS info was used for a wrongful purpose and it would be the end of TMM. Too Much Media also does not own any websites itself any longer nor will it again.
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Old 08-13-2006, 01:08 PM   #349
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Imagine all that great data NATS has access to, including referrals to know who the whales are and how they get their traffic and sales. Which sites convert best in which niches, etc..


Yep.

Plus imagine if a paysite owner also runs CARMA and Sparta - then NATS has total and complete control over their entire online business. Like info about what members are searching for, how often they log in, what content sets they like the most, etc. And since Sparta is supposed to handle security...WOW.

There is a saying: "In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king."

one-eyed man --> <-- the blind

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Old 08-13-2006, 03:27 PM   #350
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perhaps low level employees park cars or clean floors :D

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What is it with you these days and your "low level employee" obsession? Do you treat your employees with the same amount of respect?

What makes a "low level employee" such? I was making more in just adult than others with higher "titles" when I was at WEG, so is it the TITLE that makes you a "high level employee", especially when you give YOURSELF your title? I think I'd rather have the $$$ and no title at all

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