Too Much Media Suspends Xclusive Cash NATS License - Page 2 - GoFuckYourself.com

brand0n · 08-10-2006, 04:23 PM

id hit it.

tucker · 08-10-2006, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by BoyAlley

OR

Did NATS contact XclusiveCash and say "hey we're seeing some funky numbers", they felt like they were being accused of wrongdoing when they didn't do anything intentional (perhaps there were problems pulling data from ccbill they weren't aware of?), and told NATS to fuck off, then NATS shuts them down and posts this?

I don't know anyone from XclusiveCash, so I don't know what type of people they are.

But as a program owner that's considering moving to NATS, seeing them shut a program down, hold it hostage, and make public statements like this makes me VERY nervous.

I hope NATS is 100% sure shady shit was going on before they did this.

The truth will be revealed in due course but I KNOW that this was not the way NATS are making this out to be. Chris and Brandi have been nothing but honest and hardworking since the day they showed up. If a coding issue took place and NATS did the install then I guess we know where the blame lies and either way it will have to be resolved. I cant imagine that that could have gone on and no one would have caught it; they have been in business for 2 years. We are smart group and very little ever slips by. Eitherway, this is not a professional way to handle an issue under any circumstances.

XMaster · 08-10-2006, 04:25 PM

ouch

BaldBishop · 08-10-2006, 04:27 PM

Good work.

AbulletAway · 08-10-2006, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by tucker

The truth will be revealed in due course but I KNOW that this was not the way NATS are making this out to be. Chris and Brandi have been nothing but honest and hardworking since the day they showed up. If a coding issue took place and NATS did the install then I guess we know where the blame lies and either way it will have to be resolved. I cant imagine that that could have gone on and no one would have caught it; they have been in business for 2 years. We are smart group and very little ever slips by. Eitherway, this is not a professional way to handle an issue under any circumstances.

LOL.. that's cute.

makefuckingmoney · 08-10-2006, 04:37 PM

how often does nats audit other programs? just curious?

does this get found a lot?

pornguy · 08-10-2006, 04:39 PM

OOPS! that has to hurt

madawgz · 08-10-2006, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by justsexxx

NO SHIT YOU ARE BACK YEAHHHHH

i was just wondering the same thing

pocketkangaroo · 08-10-2006, 04:41 PM

If they were shaving, I would hope that you would terminate the license and not just suspend it. Otherwise I get the impression that you think it's OK to abuse NATS as long as you fix it when you get caught.

PhillipB · 08-10-2006, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by SplitInfinity

Either way, seems to me like bad business to post that sort of thing publicy on the boards..... Not sure if I am missing something, but in the real business world, those things are contractual breaches and are dealt with by attorneys....

By posting that sort of info, im sure Too Much Media may have violated any confidentiality they had in the contract regardless if the other party was wrong or not...

Not sure if I would like Nats people playing judge, jury and verdict and then posting about it before it is resolved entirely.

Am I wrong or?
Shaving IS wrong...
Im not defending the other party, just speaking in generalities...

I'm in total agreement. Highly unprofessional to post something like this before the verdict is out. This is America, and to shoot first without cause is completely rediculous.

And quite frankly, I question the motives of a company whose contract clauses give them full right to manage how another company is conducting business. It's like me buying a car only to find out the dealer stole it out of my garage because he's mad I missed an oil change. NATS works well -- we have 2 installations in fact -- but sometimes the management can be a little fucked up in its pursuit of providing a shaveless affiliate management backend. Perhaps one day they will learn it simply doesn't exist.

pocketkangaroo · 08-10-2006, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by APN Philip

And quite frankly, I question the motives of a company whose contract clauses give them full right to manage how another company is conducting business.

So you question the motives of Visa and Mastercard if they make sure that the people using their processing is doing something legit? Do you question an ISP takes down clients who put up CP?

In some instances, a company needs to know how a company is using their service. If people used NATS to shave, it would hurt the reputation of NATS as well as their business. If people don't like NATS checking in on their stuff, they should not use their service.

I'm not questioning the professionalism of their post, just the fact that they have a right to know how their service is being used.

wyldblyss · 08-10-2006, 05:12 PM

I would hope that you are 100% proof positive that this was indeed something that involved premeditated tampering and not just a case of CCBiill and Nats not getting along together in the program for a short while.

If by chance you are not proof positive that something is haywire and they are responsible...then you could have completely ruined a programs reputation, something from which very few, if any programs survive.

Also, if it is found out that you did indeed "jump the gun" in your announcement, I would hope that every single sponsor that uses NATS drops you like a hot potato.

Pornwolf · 08-10-2006, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Soul_Rebel

John made a careful statement

Yup, he danced and finessed his way around that touchy situation like a Russian in leotards.

studiocritic · 08-10-2006, 05:25 PM

To sum up every post above mine:

ONE of the two companies involved here will have their reputation destroyed by these events.

BoyAlley · 08-10-2006, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Pornwolf

Yup, he danced and finessed his way around that touchy situation like a Russian in leotards.

Ooh he's kinda cute!

Doctor Dre · 08-10-2006, 05:35 PM

I give you 10000000 % credit for doing this John. Fianlly somebody standing up ;)

Doctor Dre · 08-10-2006, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by SPeRMiNaToR

so TMM has access to their CCBill stats?

note to self: don't use nats for my program

I don't know about you all, but letting some 3rd party company have access to my CCBill admin would bother me greatly.

How do you want them to process signups if they don't have access to everything ? Off course nats has accesss to it. I don't think john would sneak up on affiliates, but I just don't see why anybody would take xclusive's cash side except if they are friends with the owners on this one (or some new data comse out).

Right now it seems someone is shaving and got caught.

DamageX · 08-10-2006, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by studiocritic

To sum up every post above mine:

ONE of the two companies involved here will have their reputation destroyed by these events.

Nah, there are people out there still processing with Ibill, people forget.

BoyAlley · 08-10-2006, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by DamageX

Nah, there are people out there still processing with Ibill, people forget.

Doctor Dre · 08-10-2006, 05:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BoyAlley

OR

Did NATS contact XclusiveCash and say "hey we're seeing some funky numbers", they felt like they were being accused of wrongdoing when they didn't do anything intentional (perhaps there were problems pulling data from ccbill they weren't aware of?), and told NATS to fuck off, then NATS shuts them down and posts this?

I don't know anyone from XclusiveCash, so I don't know what type of people they are.

But as a program owner that's considering moving to NATS, seeing them shut a program down, hold it hostage, and make public statements like this makes me VERY nervous.

I hope NATS is 100% sure shady shit was going on before they did this.

I understand your situation but nobody would react by telling john to fuckoff... they'd look at the numbers first. Any profetional people.

And this will definitly make webmasters trust nats programs more.

SonOfJesus · 08-10-2006, 05:49 PM

Good Morning My Sons,

Through seeing, we have been shown the evil that is in thier hearts, but not in the heart of NATS. For it is them who have chosen to take a stand in this fight, the holiest of fights, against cheating affiliate programs who have cheated against my sons of porn.

It was told to me, but not to the others, by the brother of my disciple Peter, that by changing the login of CCBILL and not that of the holy NATS, the lucifiers of the adult webmaster world were able to affect the monies, mine and yours, which we should have been earning over the past several months.

Let us not forgive or forget about these sins.

Blessed is the NATS who have brought the light of the holy spirit forward, burning out the eyes of these cheaters.

Good Bless. I shall return!

BoyAlley · 08-10-2006, 05:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SonOfJesus

Good Morning My Sons,

Through seeing, we have been shown the evil that is in thier hearts, but not in the heart of NATS. For it is them who have chosen to take a stand in this fight, the holiest of fights, against cheating affiliate programs who have cheated against my sons of porn.

It was told to me, but not to the others, by the brother of my disciple Peter, that by changing the login of CCBILL and not that of the holy NATS, the lucifiers of the adult webmaster world were able to affect the monies, mine and yours, which we should have been earning over the past several months.

Let us not forgive or forget about these sins.

Blessed is the NATS who have brought the light of the holy spirit forward, burning out the eyes of these cheaters.

Good Bless. I shall return!

Wow, which one of you faggots does this fake nick belong to? Lawd Mercy my gaydar blew up........

dig420 · 08-10-2006, 05:56 PM

The whole point of using NATS is to let your affiliates know that you are honest and paying them %100 of what they earn. No more $175 signup promises and paying out on 1 of 15 joins. You know the deal when you sign up and you know what can happen if you try to get sneaky. This is what can happen.

Not saying that this is the exact situation with xclusive cash, just replying to the peanut gallery jumping on John for his post.

Paparazzi · 08-10-2006, 05:59 PM

very interesting...hum

lloyd · 08-10-2006, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by dig420

The whole point of using NATS is to let your affiliates know that you are honest and paying them %100 blah blah blah ...

terminating the license seems like a more appropriate response than a publicity stunt / suspension if NATS really is about transparency etc etc

alan-l · 08-10-2006, 06:04 PM

OK. So these guys are shaving, at least in theory. Then the NATS people shut them even tho they admit there's not a conclusive proof. Furthermore, they have all kind of info on your sales, what you do or stop doing and they've the power to shut your business.

Wow.

Double Wow.

Guess now I know 2 people I won't ever ever do bsuines with: Xclusivecash and NATS. But that's because I work hard to be shaved or to allow any sneaky or "bad mood" or whatever from somebody who I pay a lot of money. Not to mention providing them with all my finantial info.

But that's just me, pls continue with this thread

pornonada · 08-10-2006, 06:05 PM

if NATS is 100% sure about it, than posting this in public is the only correct way.

a.) NATS doesn't loose its reputation
b.) Webmasters are warned
c.) Every program will think twice if they will shave/cheat

For everybody who brought up the argument that such issue should be handled private btw. NATS and the program in question, you seem to forget that her are 3 parties involved. The Affilate Program, NATS and 1000's of Webmasters and i think the 100's or 1000's of webmasters have the biggest right to be informed as it's THEIR money that is taken away and they have been shaved. Seems NOT everybody thinks much about their affilates.
How i said at the beginning, it must be 101% proofed first.

tenderobject · 08-10-2006, 06:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SonOfJesus

Good Morning My Sons,

Through seeing, we have been shown the evil that is in thier hearts, but not in the heart of NATS. For it is them who have chosen to take a stand in this fight, the holiest of fights, against cheating affiliate programs who have cheated against my sons of porn.

It was told to me, but not to the others, by the brother of my disciple Peter, that by changing the login of CCBILL and not that of the holy NATS, the lucifiers of the adult webmaster world were able to affect the monies, mine and yours, which we should have been earning over the past several months.

Let us not forgive or forget about these sins.

Blessed is the NATS who have brought the light of the holy spirit forward, burning out the eyes of these cheaters.

Good Bless. I shall return!

lol this is funny. although jesus in the bible doesnt have son and if he has i don't think your father disciples are your disciples lol

webgurl · 08-10-2006, 06:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mailman

*note this is a shock and sucks ass since I promote them... wonder how much if any I have lost! I cant wait to see this unfold, shit like this really fucks the industry!

Time to send your traffic to me

On a serious note : WOW ---

detoxed · 08-10-2006, 06:14 PM

Good PR for NATS it shows us that when these kind of things happen, accident or someone trying to outsmart the system, they wont let it go on.

SonOfJesus · 08-10-2006, 06:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tenderobject

lol this is funny. although jesus in the bible doesnt have son and if he has i don't think your father disciples are your disciples lol

My son, please open your heart to my teachings and wisdom. In the past I have taught men to fish, now they can eat for life.

The evil hearts of NR Media were spoken to by the CCBILL, asked to change the login for the admin portion. Listening to the words, the evil hearts changed the passwords of the CCBILL, but chose not to be honest in actions by updating this same jargon of letters and numerals into the NATS system. The greed consumed the honesty, the greed consumed the souls of the man in charge and his partner. The suffering of my people is caused by their greed; For many months the billings of the honest system NATS was tricked into tracking, recording, analyzing, only the billings from other processors. The purchases of the holy porn done by the sheep of the internet as made through the systems of systems, CCBILL, were not added into the payments.

Let us not forget or forgive the sins.

NATS has burned out the eyes of the lucifiers with the revealling information. As brothers in porn and my sons in the eyes of the Lord Jesus, we shall boycott the sham artist. Shun him and her as we have shunned those who suffer from the lepercy.

Christ has risen. Christ will come again. AMEN.

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JMM · 08-10-2006, 06:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SonOfJesus

My son, please open your heart to my teachings and wisdom. In the past I have taught men to fish, now they can eat for life.

Give a man a fish, he eats for a day.

Teach a man to fish and he will spend the rest of his life sitting in a little boat drinking beer.

tenderobject · 08-10-2006, 06:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SonOfJesus

My son, please open your heart to my teachings and wisdom. In the past I have taught men to fish, now they can eat for life.

The evil hearts of NR Media were spoken to by the CCBILL, asked to change the login for the admin portion. Listening to the words, the evil hearts changed the passwords of the CCBILL, but chose not to be honest in actions by updating this same jargon of letters and numerals into the NATS system. The greed consumed the honesty, the greed consumed the souls of the man in charge and his partner. The suffering of my people is caused by their greed; For many months the billings of the honest system NATS was tricked into tracking, recording, analyzing, only the billings from other processors. The purchases of the holy porn done by the sheep of the internet as made through the systems of systems, CCBILL, were not added into the payments.

Let us not forget or forgive the sins.

NATS has burned out the eyes of the lucifiers with the revealling information. As brothers in porn and my sons in the eyes of the Lord Jesus, we shall boycott the sham artist. Shun him and her as we have shunned those who suffer from the lepercy.

Christ has risen. Christ will come again. AMEN.

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hahahahahahahaha=
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DirtyDanza · 08-10-2006, 06:39 PM

good stuff john.... hit me up on ICQ... glad to see tmm does not support cheaters....

SonOfJesus · 08-10-2006, 06:39 PM

Bless you JMM.

Embrace my teachings and you will be fulfilled with the wisdoms and informations about the cheaters of the interwebs.

As the son of our Lord I have been chosen. I will not allow the sham to continue. In your wallets, money will be full because of my teachings.

Bless you all.

Big Red Machine · 08-10-2006, 06:51 PM

Wow this is a Heavy Thread

Sly · 08-10-2006, 06:59 PM

People are always whining and complaining about not having an industry watchdog to deter sponsors from suspicious activity. TMM steps up, sees possible suspicious activity going on with their software (something they highly used in marketing), seeks additional information, gets turned away, temporarily bans until further notice, and everyone has a cow.

LOL.

I don't know anything about Xclusive Cash so my response has absolutely nothing to do with them. I'm just amused how people will complain about an issue regardless of the outcome.

jay23 · 08-10-2006, 07:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sly

People are always whining and complaining about not having an industry watchdog to deter sponsors from suspicious activity. TMM steps up, sees possible suspicious activity going on with their software (something they highly used in marketing), seeks additional information, gets turned away, temporarily bans until further notice, and everyone has a cow.

LOL.

I don't know anything about Xclusive Cash so my response has absolutely nothing to do with them. I'm just amused how people will complain about an issue regardless of the outcome.

And if NATS did not turn off and shaving info became public at a later time (i dont know how, but lets assume) then every one will be bashing NATS.

You have to love GFY

Jay

Major (Tom) · 08-10-2006, 07:05 PM

this benefits us all. the integrity of the product is paramount.

duke

pocketkangaroo · 08-10-2006, 07:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sly

People are always whining and complaining about not having an industry watchdog to deter sponsors from suspicious activity. TMM steps up, sees possible suspicious activity going on with their software (something they highly used in marketing), seeks additional information, gets turned away, temporarily bans until further notice, and everyone has a cow.

LOL.

I don't know anything about Xclusive Cash so my response has absolutely nothing to do with them. I'm just amused how people will complain about an issue regardless of the outcome.

Exactly!

I think people just like to complain.

modF · 08-10-2006, 07:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisExtreme

So what you're saying is that NATS is not shave proof?

Nothing is shave proof, that's why when TMM gets a report they look into it. For all of you who seem to be demanding the truth, TMM said they tried to contact Xclusive Cash to figure out the situation. They replied with profanity and a hang up. TMM has always said that they want their software being used above board, so they have full rights to pull their license in this case.

And this just doesn't go for TMM, the creator of whatever software always has certain provisions to pull their license. If it is all above board, then I'm sure we will be told that.

jact · 08-10-2006, 07:18 PM

I'd just like to say that if XclusiveCash was up to no good I respect TMM's stand against wrongdoing in the industry, however I'm not sure if they jumped the gun on the public statement. I'm on the fence with this one and will watch how it plays out.

wyldblyss · 08-10-2006, 07:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sly

People are always whining and complaining about not having an industry watchdog to deter sponsors from suspicious activity. TMM steps up, sees possible suspicious activity going on with their software (something they highly used in marketing), seeks additional information, gets turned away, temporarily bans until further notice, and everyone has a cow.

LOL.

I don't know anything about Xclusive Cash so my response has absolutely nothing to do with them. I'm just amused how people will complain about an issue regardless of the outcome.

The only problem I have is them taking it to the public BEFORE they are proof positive something nasty is going on that they are PURPOSELY doing. It is the old "innocent until proven guilty".

How would you like it if I made an announcement on the boards that the hosting company was padding the bandwidth charges and when I demanded to see all of their books I was turned away...so everyone should cancel NOW because you are theives. Then a few days later I say "ooops, i sort of miscalculated there...they didn't do anything wrong"...but by then the damage is done.

If someone is proof positive shaving, then outing them is a very good thing...but you better be 100% POSITIVE of it BEFORE you make an announcement to basically the entire webmaster community.

jact · 08-10-2006, 07:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by modF

Nothing is shave proof, that's why when TMM gets a report they look into it. For all of you who seem to be demanding the truth, TMM said they tried to contact Xclusive Cash to figure out the situation. They replied with profanity and a hang up. TMM has always said that they want their software being used above board, so they have full rights to pull their license in this case.

And this just doesn't go for TMM, the creator of whatever software always has certain provisions to pull their license. If it is all above board, then I'm sure we will be told that.

Hit me up, will you?

jact · 08-10-2006, 07:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wyldblyss

If someone is proof positive shaving, then outing them is a very good thing...but you better be 100% POSITIVE of it BEFORE you make an announcement to basically the entire webmaster community.

Got PIB?

wyldblyss · 08-10-2006, 07:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jact

Got PIB?

PIB? Are you referring to PIB Cash?

mailman · 08-10-2006, 07:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by webgurl

Time to send your traffic to me

On a serious note : WOW ---

all my traffic are belong to you!

jact · 08-10-2006, 07:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wyldblyss

PIB? Are you referring to PIB Cash?

Actually, was more talking about http://www.shavebucks.com/

mailman · 08-10-2006, 07:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DukeSkywalker

this benefits us all. the integrity of the product is paramount.

duke

YEPPERS!

I hate to see it since I have made a nice chunk of change with Xclusive over the years but if this is true id rather not make anymore and rid the scum.. so we just have to wait and see what happens and I respect the stance TMM has made in the situation!

mailman · 08-10-2006, 07:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jact

Actually, was more talking about http://www.shavebucks.com/

I thought you were talking about PIB the Soda!

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08-10-2006, 04:41 PM	#59
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wyldblyss Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: The Buck Starts Here Posts: 5,779	I would hope that you are 100% proof positive that this was indeed something that involved premeditated tampering and not just a case of CCBiill and Nats not getting along together in the program for a short while. If by chance you are not proof positive that something is haywire and they are responsible...then you could have completely ruined a programs reputation, something from which very few, if any programs survive. Also, if it is found out that you did indeed "jump the gun" in your announcement, I would hope that every single sponsor that uses NATS drops you like a hot potato.

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SonOfJesus Registered User Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Heaven and Earth Posts: 47	Jesus Knows All Good Morning My Sons, Through seeing, we have been shown the evil that is in thier hearts, but not in the heart of NATS. For it is them who have chosen to take a stand in this fight, the holiest of fights, against cheating affiliate programs who have cheated against my sons of porn. It was told to me, but not to the others, by the brother of my disciple Peter, that by changing the login of CCBILL and not that of the holy NATS, the lucifiers of the adult webmaster world were able to affect the monies, mine and yours, which we should have been earning over the past several months. Let us not forgive or forget about these sins. Blessed is the NATS who have brought the light of the holy spirit forward, burning out the eyes of these cheaters. Good Bless. I shall return!

08-10-2006, 05:56 PM	#73
dig420 Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 9,240	The whole point of using NATS is to let your affiliates know that you are honest and paying them %100 of what they earn. No more $175 signup promises and paying out on 1 of 15 joins. You know the deal when you sign up and you know what can happen if you try to get sneaky. This is what can happen. Not saying that this is the exact situation with xclusive cash, just replying to the peanut gallery jumping on John for his post.

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08-10-2006, 06:04 PM	#76
alan-l Confirmed User Join Date: May 2003 Location: look behind you Posts: 2,477	OK. So these guys are shaving, at least in theory. Then the NATS people shut them even tho they admit there's not a conclusive proof. Furthermore, they have all kind of info on your sales, what you do or stop doing and they've the power to shut your business. Wow. Double Wow. Guess now I know 2 people I won't ever ever do bsuines with: Xclusivecash and NATS. But that's because I work hard to be shaved or to allow any sneaky or "bad mood" or whatever from somebody who I pay a lot of money. Not to mention providing them with all my finantial info. But that's just me, pls continue with this thread

08-10-2006, 06:05 PM	#77
pornonada Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 440	if NATS is 100% sure about it, than posting this in public is the only correct way. a.) NATS doesn't loose its reputation b.) Webmasters are warned c.) Every program will think twice if they will shave/cheat For everybody who brought up the argument that such issue should be handled private btw. NATS and the program in question, you seem to forget that her are 3 parties involved. The Affilate Program, NATS and 1000's of Webmasters and i think the 100's or 1000's of webmasters have the biggest right to be informed as it's THEIR money that is taken away and they have been shaved. Seems NOT everybody thinks much about their affilates. How i said at the beginning, it must be 101% proofed first. __________________ Biggest NOskim Network open for Trades/Linkexchanges 500+ Text, TGP, MGP and Link Sites for Trade! All Linkexchanges are autoapproved! Linkexchanges here - Traffic Trades Soon!

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08-10-2006, 06:59 PM	#87
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08-10-2006, 07:05 PM	#89
Major (Tom) Boomer Woffen Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Null Posts: 30,391	this benefits us all. the integrity of the product is paramount. duke __________________ My mother said, to get things done You'd better not mess with Major Tom Last edited by Major (Tom); 08-10-2006 at 07:07 PM..

08-10-2006, 07:18 PM	#92
jact Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Oakville, Canada Posts: 9,134	I'd just like to say that if XclusiveCash was up to no good I respect TMM's stand against wrongdoing in the industry, however I'm not sure if they jumped the gun on the public statement. I'm on the fence with this one and will watch how it plays out. __________________ Free agent