Whoa.. glad I don't use them.

Sorry, no clue what you are trying to say. Usually just spitting it out is best, rather than talking in riddles :)

No, of course not silly. NATS just makes up the affiliate stats.

I don't remember either.

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh

I wonder what king of lawsuits COULD come out of this... crazy drama thread....


Im staying on the fence for now...

Maybe before adding more to what passes here for drama you might want to read the post on which you are commenting?

Nowhere does it make any accusations, talk about anything "nasty", nor make judgements about intent. Both posts NATS made in this thread simply report events.

Dammm... crazy shit, but it's nice to see NATS checking those numbers, good people over there. Good stuff John.

Just for the record, I'm the kinder gentler Xclusive and I only shave my balls:)

just bumping this for the sake of the bump

anyone got a beer?

Hey John,

Glad to see you are standing up for the industry. Some people are quick to just glance over your post instead of reading it entirely. That would be a quick red flag to me if when I approached a company using my software started telling me off and acting like a 12 y/o...

GLAD TO SEE YOUR LOOKING OUT FOR THE INDUSTRY...

Obviously you wouldn't put your company out there in a possibly bad way if not first getting all your ducks in a row...Thats what some people don't seem to realize...

Thanks!

I, the lamb of the lord of jesus, will make a prediction on the end results of the consequences of the greedy hearts of NR Media.

My steps, as with the stages of the cross suffered by my divine father, will provide informations and wisdoms on what will be happening.

Stage One - Pontious Pilate condemns Jesus to death
NATS strikes into the hearts of the greedy ones by posting their investigation results on GFY. The worlds of the webmasters of the interwebs are told what has happened to their shrinking paychecks.

Jesus is given the cross to carry
NR Media is given the cross, the burden of defending their greedy actions.

Jesus falls under the weight of the cross
The masters of the interwebs are not fooled by the claims of "mistakes" and other sham reasonings. NR Media collapses under the weight of its own greed.

Jesus meets his mother, Mary
Secret conversations occur, attempts and plans are made to salvage what is left of this proverbial piece of steaming doo-doo. The greedy hearts will seek informations from lawyers.

Simon of Cyrene is forced to carry the cross for Jesus
The faitful employees of the past are dragged into the mess by deflections from the truly greedy masters of the program. Only a few of the sheep will believe these attempts at deflection, glass can only bounce so many rocks off it so many times before breaking. The truth is known that the past employees are as clean as the children of christ. AMEN.

Veronica wipes Jesus' face
Pleas are made by the female partner of the greediest heart of hearts. The children of Jesus will ignore the pleas. Greedy hearts, aching and burning, will retreat into the dark caves of squalor.

Jesus falls for a second time
NATS investigation has been completed. The informations and teachings are available for all. If the hearts are opened, the wallets will realize the sums of earnings missing. Rocks and burning sticks will be thrown at those who took the dishonest path. The monies missing will not be worth the suffering. Reputations are at a point of no return.

Jesus speaks to the women of Jerusalem
Making a last plea from the emails and interwebs http sites, the greedy hearts attempt one last time to reconcile. The sin is too great, Jesus' son has made the informations known; no one will be forgiven.

Jesus falls for a third time
Failing to settle on past accounts owed money that was missing from the greedy hearts of the lucifers, civil actions are launched against those who stolen from the webmasters of interwebs.

His clothes are stripped from him
Judgement of the civil courts is granted. Lucifers are left with nothing beyond the blackened hearts. AMEN. End is near for the cowards and greed lusters.

He is nailed to the cross
The cheating programs of the lucifers with the blackend hearts is no longer operating. The site says nothing more than the messages of "sorry, we are the greedy ones" in twenty differnt languages. The world is known, the cheaters are ruined by their own addiction to the gold pockets.

Jesus dies on the cross
The threads drop to the bottom of the interwbs. Off page one, the webmasters return to hard work and labours in the name of the son of Jesus.

Jesus is taken from the cross to be buried in Joseph of Arimathea's tomb
Forver known as 'cheaters' 'blackened hearts' and 'lucifers' the NR Media is banished. The sites in the webs are worth no more than the worth of two loaves of bread. Tainted, no one wants to re-build and the persons and websites fade away forever.

Greed has caused ruin. Allow yourselves to be open to the informations from the CCBILL and the NATS. You will be blessed and the lucifers will suffer in the wake of their actions of self-interest and greed of new levels.

Bless you all.

Jesus shall return. The disciples have promised new informations.

Maybe you shouldn't be quite so happy.

1. NATS followed up on one or more third-party reports. That is good, but by extension it means that they themselves had not caught the "discrepancies".

2. It means that although we can rely on NATS stepping in if discrepancies are spotted, their system in fact allows them to happen. A step in the right direction, but not perhaps the solid protection affiliates might have believed they were getting.

interesting thread

Seems Nutz to Me
 

To put out so much cash and then pull any form of stunt
to loose out in the end.

Don't know much about the situation to make any real
comment other than what is said here:

Company B buys license from Company A for a set
amount of dollars to play in the game and then
fumbles the ball at the 20 yard line, with little or
no chance of recovering the ball.

Can't win no games playing like that!

Nick

my impression was if program caught shaving nats would terminate the license not suspend it. in my thinking it's not 100% verified shaving, peeps around here too fast to jump into assumptions. dropping the phone call is suspicious though in the light of this event.

:thumbsup :thumbsup

YOu left out Company A tries to contact Company B about the issue and Company B refuses. Company A then does what it has to do to protect it's ass.

Suspicions are the beliefs of the closed minded children.

Open your hearts - Open your minds

Awareness shall bring increase in the thickness of the wallet.

Do not forgive or forget the sins of the greedy hearts.

Blessed is NATS for showing us the light. We will travel to the chosen lands.

I read it, and I stand by what I said. No announcement should have been made until NATS had the entire story.

Perhaps you don't read...if you did you would see people post things like "wow, glad I don't use them" etc. People are automatically assuming that there is shaving, whether the "announcement" said it or not. Therefore, I believe that they should have said NOTHING until they knew the entire situation.

NATS knew exactly what they were doing and what people would think when they made that announcement. They want to look like the sponsor police and get all the webmasters to insist that all the sponsors use NATS (cause nats cares!!!) Personally, I don't like to see that much power in ANY ONE companies hands.

I am not pointing any fingers here, well maybe I am, but what if Xclusiv was informed that there was a glitch that didn't allow anyone to recieve any rebill credit, and instead of making good with that decided to shun their former partners who were trying to be honest, and take all that rebill money and hope no one notices.....

No doubt. But should NATS sublimate their own interests because the mental age of many GFY posters is still in single digits?

They are picking up some (mainly) good PR and sending out a message that if we call you about an issue like this and you swear at us and hang up, this is what will happen. Good for them: this industry would be a whole lot healthier if more people had a few principles and stood by them.

Nats contacted us once about CCbill rebills not being posted to webmasters stats. We responded to them right away and they fixed the problem. I don't know why anyone would just curse and hangup on the company responsible for their affiliate software. Everyone was bitching about shaving and now finally a company stands up and people still bitch. I am sure Nats has exhausted all means to correct this problem before posting this thread.

Mark

So they are putting their foot down and saying "you better fucking learn who is boss around here...when we call you, you better be at attention, kiss our ass or we will make a post on GFY and ruin you, whether you did anything wrong or not"

Uhm, I don't like how that sounds. They might be impressing the hell out of webmasters right now...but I know for certain they have a few program owners shaking their heads. So these guys keep pulling this crap...don't you think completely honest programs are going to shy away from NATS simply because one day NATS just might make a mistake and ruin your company by making inappropriate comments on boards PRIOR to getting all the facts?

Where does it stop when NATS has such an iron fist on everything...do they keep uppping and upping their price and sponsors feeling forced into paying it because they don't want to give the impression they are leaving nats because of shaving?

Programs such as NATS are great, but they lost a whole lot of credibility in my eyes today by making a very premature announcement.

THAT scares the shit amount me when a guy with ONE POST says that.

Normally "one post wonders", have a point when they aren't just screwing around.

Mind telling us who you are?

nats is shave proof.. :winkwink:

crazy shit I tell ya!

You keep saying the same bullshit, they TRIED to contact them and get all of the facts. IF the honest program owner doesn't have a problem, then they would get it cleared up in private and TMM would not revoke their license. There are suspicions on their part, so they are protecting their brand just like any other company would.

well, I don't know shit, well maybe I do, but I seriously doubt that NATS would shut down a well known company if they didn't already have enough data and info to go public with

you don't shut an entire company down overnight unless you speak to your lawyers first ;)

Absolutely. If anyone reads anything into that, they are making assumptions.

Stop think with your tin foil hat ;)

NATS would not shut an entire operation down in a minute if they didn't have the necessary legal right to do so.

NATS jumped up in my credibility book today when they shut down a scamming program. If you like programs stealing from you and NATS doing nothing, then that is cool, but I don't ;)

I think it's safe to say Son Of Jesus is a fake nick that deserves to go into the hall of fame for Fake Nicks. Bravo.

I got "You want to fuck me" from reading your post. :pimp

Everyone should listen to this wise mans words :upsidedow

Everyone needs to go back and re-read every single one of Son Of Jesus' posts right now, and read it very carefully

VERY carefully

EVERY word

HINT HINT

I was being sarcastic.

Does it go good with a hot dog?

yes he seems like a good one..

who are you and what do you do in this business?
from your posts, you seem to be some low level employee trying to impress the board.
be quiet and pay attention. It will get you further than chirping like an uneducated bird.

Congrats to the winners!

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Son of Jesus is Wise.

The Hoff has spoken

Is this another all sizzle, no steak, thread???

I just skimmed through this thread, but I do not think I saw a response from Xclusive/Naked Rhino.

Looking at their numbers on Alexa, neither of the two sites in the Xclusive program (which has been in place over two years) seems to be doing well.

And look at this, Naked Rhino is launching a new partnership program with Falcon Foto this month - coincidence, I think prolly not...

NATS looks like they are outing a lone shaver, and is trying to give the impression that NATS is on the side of affiliates, and that the majority of NATS customers don't shave.

Keep in mind that many sponsor companies are strongly suspected to have shaved in the past, and so now claim to not be shaving since switching to NATS.

Even though they once shaved, they would never think of doing it again - yeah, right!

How convenient for NATS to attack a small player, and not have any response from that Sponsor (especially given that the Sponsor has a new program coming out, possibly under a different name).

What if this is all about NATS giving affiliates the false security that NATS is out to prevent shaving, when in fact it has to some extent proven that NATS Sponsors have at least one method to shave (that doesn't involve a kickback to NATS).

Not everything on GFY is as it appears...like several others, I find this method for communications by NATS highly suspicious.

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I agree, it doesn?t matter what happened, this has nothing to do on a public forum. I certainly wouldn?t be impressed of my software suppliers would pull something like this.

look, its someone who can't afford NATS.

really?
If I were an affiliate, I'd want to know that a program wasn't interested in working with their stats company to solve "discrepancies"

That's one hell of an "accusation".. :upsidedow

You didn't see a response from Naked Rhino because they won't respond until they figure out how to get out of this jam with their lawyers. NATS did the right thing here, and many are suprised it didn't come to the boards sooner. There was some high dollar theft going on. Re-read Son Of Jesus's posts again, he has more information than I do, and is DEAD on with his knowledge. XC isn't coming to the board because they have been trying to deflect this wrong doing for a few weeks now, and I imagine right now they are pretty much sitting at home, reading this exact thread, and shitting their pants trying to figure out what they did.

XC is no small player, don't trust everything you see on Alexa, this time I can say with 100% confidence that it is not accurate.

Once this all plays out, you can be sure that you will rethink your position on everything, NATS is 100% in the right here. If NATS had not figured this out and come forward you can be sure that XC would have continued to do what they are doing, and that is fucking affiliates out of rebills

So, software vendors shouldn't out cheaters in a public way? That is kind of fucked up and makes me think YOU are cheating and scared of getting caught

I'm disappointed that there are no updates from either side..