id hit it.

The truth will be revealed in due course but I KNOW that this was not the way NATS are making this out to be. Chris and Brandi have been nothing but honest and hardworking since the day they showed up. If a coding issue took place and NATS did the install then I guess we know where the blame lies and either way it will have to be resolved. I cant imagine that that could have gone on and no one would have caught it; they have been in business for 2 years. We are smart group and very little ever slips by. Eitherway, this is not a professional way to handle an issue under any circumstances.

ouch :Oh crap

Good work.

LOL.. that's cute.

how often does nats audit other programs? just curious?

does this get found a lot?

OOPS! that has to hurt

i was just wondering the same thing :1orglaugh

If they were shaving, I would hope that you would terminate the license and not just suspend it. Otherwise I get the impression that you think it's OK to abuse NATS as long as you fix it when you get caught.

I'm in total agreement. Highly unprofessional to post something like this before the verdict is out. This is America, and to shoot first without cause is completely rediculous.

And quite frankly, I question the motives of a company whose contract clauses give them full right to manage how another company is conducting business. It's like me buying a car only to find out the dealer stole it out of my garage because he's mad I missed an oil change. NATS works well -- we have 2 installations in fact -- but sometimes the management can be a little fucked up in its pursuit of providing a shaveless affiliate management backend. Perhaps one day they will learn it simply doesn't exist.

So you question the motives of Visa and Mastercard if they make sure that the people using their processing is doing something legit? Do you question an ISP takes down clients who put up CP?

In some instances, a company needs to know how a company is using their service. If people used NATS to shave, it would hurt the reputation of NATS as well as their business. If people don't like NATS checking in on their stuff, they should not use their service.

I'm not questioning the professionalism of their post, just the fact that they have a right to know how their service is being used.

I would hope that you are 100% proof positive that this was indeed something that involved premeditated tampering and not just a case of CCBiill and Nats not getting along together in the program for a short while.

If by chance you are not proof positive that something is haywire and they are responsible...then you could have completely ruined a programs reputation, something from which very few, if any programs survive.

Also, if it is found out that you did indeed "jump the gun" in your announcement, I would hope that every single sponsor that uses NATS drops you like a hot potato.

Yup, he danced and finessed his way around that touchy situation like a Russian in leotards.

http://www.ardani.com/Mal2.gif

To sum up every post above mine:

ONE of the two companies involved here will have their reputation destroyed by these events.

I give you 10000000 % credit for doing this John. Fianlly somebody standing up ;)

How do you want them to process signups if they don't have access to everything ? Off course nats has accesss to it. I don't think john would sneak up on affiliates, but I just don't see why anybody would take xclusive's cash side except if they are friends with the owners on this one (or some new data comse out).

Right now it seems someone is shaving and got caught.

Nah, there are people out there still processing with Ibill, people forget.

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :helpme

I understand your situation but nobody would react by telling john to fuckoff... they'd look at the numbers first. Any profetional people.

And this will definitly make webmasters trust nats programs more.

Jesus Knows All
 

Good Morning My Sons,

Through seeing, we have been shown the evil that is in thier hearts, but not in the heart of NATS. For it is them who have chosen to take a stand in this fight, the holiest of fights, against cheating affiliate programs who have cheated against my sons of porn.

It was told to me, but not to the others, by the brother of my disciple Peter, that by changing the login of CCBILL and not that of the holy NATS, the lucifiers of the adult webmaster world were able to affect the monies, mine and yours, which we should have been earning over the past several months.

Let us not forgive or forget about these sins.

Blessed is the NATS who have brought the light of the holy spirit forward, burning out the eyes of these cheaters.

Good Bless. I shall return!

Wow, which one of you faggots does this fake nick belong to? Lawd Mercy my gaydar blew up........

The whole point of using NATS is to let your affiliates know that you are honest and paying them %100 of what they earn. No more $175 signup promises and paying out on 1 of 15 joins. You know the deal when you sign up and you know what can happen if you try to get sneaky. This is what can happen.

Not saying that this is the exact situation with xclusive cash, just replying to the peanut gallery jumping on John for his post.

very interesting...hum

terminating the license seems like a more appropriate response than a publicity stunt / suspension if NATS really is about transparency etc etc

OK. So these guys are shaving, at least in theory. Then the NATS people shut them even tho they admit there's not a conclusive proof. Furthermore, they have all kind of info on your sales, what you do or stop doing and they've the power to shut your business.

Wow.

Double Wow.

Guess now I know 2 people I won't ever ever do bsuines with: Xclusivecash and NATS. But that's because I work hard to be shaved or to allow any sneaky or "bad mood" or whatever from somebody who I pay a lot of money. Not to mention providing them with all my finantial info.

But that's just me, pls continue with this thread

if NATS is 100% sure about it, than posting this in public is the only correct way.

a.) NATS doesn't loose its reputation
b.) Webmasters are warned
c.) Every program will think twice if they will shave/cheat

For everybody who brought up the argument that such issue should be handled private btw. NATS and the program in question, you seem to forget that her are 3 parties involved. The Affilate Program, NATS and 1000's of Webmasters and i think the 100's or 1000's of webmasters have the biggest right to be informed as it's THEIR money that is taken away and they have been shaved. Seems NOT everybody thinks much about their affilates.
How i said at the beginning, it must be 101% proofed first.

lol this is funny. although jesus in the bible doesnt have son and if he has i don't think your father disciples are your disciples lol :thumbsup :1orglaugh

Time to send your traffic to me :winkwink:
On a serious note : WOW ---

Good PR for NATS it shows us that when these kind of things happen, accident or someone trying to outsmart the system, they wont let it go on.

The Son has Returned!
 

My son, please open your heart to my teachings and wisdom. In the past I have taught men to fish, now they can eat for life.

The evil hearts of NR Media were spoken to by the CCBILL, asked to change the login for the admin portion. Listening to the words, the evil hearts changed the passwords of the CCBILL, but chose not to be honest in actions by updating this same jargon of letters and numerals into the NATS system. The greed consumed the honesty, the greed consumed the souls of the man in charge and his partner. The suffering of my people is caused by their greed; For many months the billings of the honest system NATS was tricked into tracking, recording, analyzing, only the billings from other processors. The purchases of the holy porn done by the sheep of the internet as made through the systems of systems, CCBILL, were not added into the payments.

Let us not forget or forgive the sins.

NATS has burned out the eyes of the lucifiers with the revealling information. As brothers in porn and my sons in the eyes of the Lord Jesus, we shall boycott the sham artist. Shun him and her as we have shunned those who suffer from the lepercy.

Christ has risen. Christ will come again. AMEN.

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Give a man a fish, he eats for a day.

Teach a man to fish and he will spend the rest of his life sitting in a little boat drinking beer.

:thumbsup :1orglaugh

good stuff john.... hit me up on ICQ... glad to see tmm does not support cheaters....

Bless you JMM.

Embrace my teachings and you will be fulfilled with the wisdoms and informations about the cheaters of the interwebs.

As the son of our Lord I have been chosen. I will not allow the sham to continue. In your wallets, money will be full because of my teachings.

Bless you all.

Wow this is a Heavy Thread

People are always whining and complaining about not having an industry watchdog to deter sponsors from suspicious activity. TMM steps up, sees possible suspicious activity going on with their software (something they highly used in marketing), seeks additional information, gets turned away, temporarily bans until further notice, and everyone has a cow.

LOL.

I don't know anything about Xclusive Cash so my response has absolutely nothing to do with them. I'm just amused how people will complain about an issue regardless of the outcome.

And if NATS did not turn off and shaving info became public at a later time (i dont know how, but lets assume) then every one will be bashing NATS.

You have to love GFY

Jay

this benefits us all. the integrity of the product is paramount.

duke

Exactly! :thumbsup
I think people just like to complain. :Oh crap

Nothing is shave proof, that's why when TMM gets a report they look into it. For all of you who seem to be demanding the truth, TMM said they tried to contact Xclusive Cash to figure out the situation. They replied with profanity and a hang up. TMM has always said that they want their software being used above board, so they have full rights to pull their license in this case.

And this just doesn't go for TMM, the creator of whatever software always has certain provisions to pull their license. If it is all above board, then I'm sure we will be told that.

I'd just like to say that if XclusiveCash was up to no good I respect TMM's stand against wrongdoing in the industry, however I'm not sure if they jumped the gun on the public statement. I'm on the fence with this one and will watch how it plays out.

The only problem I have is them taking it to the public BEFORE they are proof positive something nasty is going on that they are PURPOSELY doing. It is the old "innocent until proven guilty".

How would you like it if I made an announcement on the boards that the hosting company was padding the bandwidth charges and when I demanded to see all of their books I was turned away...so everyone should cancel NOW because you are theives. Then a few days later I say "ooops, i sort of miscalculated there...they didn't do anything wrong"...but by then the damage is done.

If someone is proof positive shaving, then outing them is a very good thing...but you better be 100% POSITIVE of it BEFORE you make an announcement to basically the entire webmaster community.

Hit me up, will you?

Got PIB?

PIB? Are you referring to PIB Cash?

all my traffic are belong to you! :)

Actually, was more talking about http://www.shavebucks.com/ :)

YEPPERS!

I hate to see it since I have made a nice chunk of change with Xclusive over the years but if this is true id rather not make anymore and rid the scum.. so we just have to wait and see what happens and I respect the stance TMM has made in the situation!

I thought you were talking about PIB the Soda! :Oh crap