Dirty Dane

50......

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then it should be a simple thing to come up with an example.

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pradaboy

I know what he wrote about, read several of his books. Don't worry he lists sources on every page, he's a respected writer and investigative journalist.

Even won some awards here in the Netherlands.

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DamageX

Watch 12clicks come back with a witty reply about your "3rd World country".

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we've got the same type of authors in the US. They rarely prove anything.
They just throw up half truths and then try to connect the dots.


oh, are you saying that jewish bankers *do* rule the world with the illuminati?

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Darrell

I searched using 'US books banned'. I don't know whether the information on the sites is accurate or not.

12clicks

better a witty reply than your useless divel.

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Deej

for instance, old forensic homocide books are not allowed. I have one at my mothers that is ..."banned"

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back peddling?

as I said, we don't ban books.

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pradaboy

BTW 12clicks...

What I've never understood about the US money system, why is the money that's being printed and used in the US not the property of the government? The government "loans" this money from the Federal Reserve bank which is privately owned.

Rothschild said himself:
"Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes the laws."

That family is exactly one of the few who take part in the Federal Reserve bank. Why would a government ever agree to such a strange arrangement?

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Who owns the Federal Reserve?
The Federal Reserve System is not "owned" by anyone and is not a private, profit-making institution. Instead, it is an independent entity within the government, having both public purposes and private aspects.
As the nation's central bank, the Federal Reserve derives its authority from the U.S. Congress. It is considered an independent central bank because its decisions do not have to be ratified by the President or anyone else in the executive or legislative branch of government, it does not receive funding appropriated by Congress, and the terms of the members of the Board of Governors span multiple presidential and congressional terms. However, the Federal Reserve is subject to oversight by Congress, which periodically reviews its activities and can alter its responsibilities by statute. Also, the Federal Reserve must work within the framework of the overall objectives of economic and financial policy established by the government. Therefore, the Federal Reserve can be more accurately described as "independent within the government."
The twelve regional Federal Reserve Banks, which were established by Congress as the operating arms of the nation's central banking system, are organized much like private corporations--possibly leading to some confusion about "ownership." For example, the Reserve Banks issue shares of stock to member banks. However, owning Reserve Bank stock is quite different from owning stock in a private company. The Reserve Banks are not operated for profit, and ownership of a certain amount of stock is, by law, a condition of membership in the System. The stock may not be sold, traded, or pledged as security for a loan; dividends are, by law, 6 percent per year.

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DamageX

Goes to prove that you can never actually use an argument to make your point, you just resort to insulting anyone who you *think* doesn't agree with you. You're so predictable.

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no, I insult children who with their idiot posts keep sceaming "notice me, notice me"

now go play with your blocks while I have a conversation with Prada.

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pradaboy

Chart of who owns the Fed:

http://www.save-a-patriot.org/files/view/whofed.html

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DamageX

You mean like you do, little boy?

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12clicks

http://www.federalreserve.gov/genera...faq/faqfrs.htm

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12clicks

a quick overview of ALL of your posts on this page:

yes child, you've been noticed. now go play.

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DamageX

Not all on THIS page, you dumb fuck.


And miss all this fun, talking to the village idiot? Nah.

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pradaboy

I read the FAQ but you don't expect them to share information they do not want public on their own site, do you?

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12clicks

no, I expect some half baked website to know the real truth.
The entire rest of the world are idiots.

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DX... he's not a fool, he has proven to be an intelligent conversational partner. I think it's just his way to weed out the attention whores.

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I love handing kids rope.

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also Prada, if we take what you think as fact, you still have this:
"The stock may not be sold, traded, or pledged as security for a loan; dividends are, by law, 6 percent per year."

"he Federal Reserve's ultimate accountability is to Congress, which at any time can amend the Federal Reserve Act. Legislation requires that the Fed report annually on its activities to the Speaker of the House of Representatives, and twice annually on its plans for monetary policy to the banking committees of Congress. Fed officials also testify before Congress when requested.
To ensure financial accountability, the financial statements of the Federal Reserve Banks and the Board of Governors are audited annually by an independent outside auditor. In addition, the General Accounting Office, as well as the Board's Office of Inspector General, can audit Federal Reserve activities."

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pradaboy

It's not just one website though. There are numerous websites and journalists claiming the same.

Funny fact... JFK decided to kick out the Federal Reserve and start making his own bills through the Treasury. JFK gets his head blown off and Johnson's first official act is reversing that exact change. Not saying it is the reason, but it does make you wonder... at least it makes me wonder.

Also funny when you think about it. The US alone has more debt than all of Africa together, still Africa is fucked and the US isn't (yet).

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12clicks

so now you'd have to have congress in on the plot.
Not all of congress, just a majority so around 270 people plus the president. You'd also have to always pay off the new members coming in to keep things in order and then pay the departing members for their silence in perpetuity.

to say nothing of the baby sacrifices going on under the vatican. j/k

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Evil Chris

This conspiracy theory is laughable. It's a bad joke.

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12clicks

none credible. do you know how many "flat earth" websites there are in google? over 46 million.

this should be simple to prove with real websites. can you?

This is no different than people. If I make a million dollars a year, and carry a 100k a year debt, I'm better off than the guy making 30k a year carrying 3k of debt.

the poor are always fucked.

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Here a nice call script with someone at a Fed Bank... something to read while i dig up that JFK stuff:

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part two of the script

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I'm quite convinced, for example, that if shit ever becomes valuable,

the poor will be born without arseholes.

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Myth #9: President Kennedy was assassinated because he tried to usurp the Federal Reserve's power. Executive Order 11,110 proves it. (Last updated 9/4/2000)

Presidential Executive Order 11,110 is quite infamous among conspiracy buffs. Jim Marrs, author of Crossfire: The Plot that Killed Kennedy, writes that the order instructs the Treasury secretary to issue about $4.2 billion in silver certificates as a form of currency in place of Federal Reserve Notes.1 Written by John F. Kennedy, Marrs also speculates this order was part of a larger plan by Kennedy to reduce the influence of the Federal Reserve by giving the Treasury more power to issue currency. The order wassigned June 4, 1963. A few months later, of course, Kennedy was killed, and conspiracy theorists hypothesize a link between the murder and E.O. 11,110. They argue that the Federal Reserve was somehow involved in the assassination to protect its power over monetary policy.
The executive order modifies a pre-existing order issued by Harry Truman in 1951. E.O. 10,289 states "The Secretary of the Treasury is hereby designated and empowered to perform the following-described functions of the President without the approval, ratification, or other action of the President..." The order then lists tasks (a) through (h) which the Treasurer can now do without bothering the President. None of the powers assigned to the Treasury in E.O. 10,289 relate to money or to monetary policy. Kennedy's E.O. 11,110 then instructs that


SECTION 1. Executive Order No. 10289 of September 9, 1951, as amended, is hereby further amended (a) By adding at the end of paragraph 1 thereof the following subparagraph (j):
'(j) The authority vested in the President by paragraph (b) of section 43 of the Act of May 12, 1933, as amended (31 U.S.C. 821(b)), to issue silver certificates against any silver bullion, silver, or standard silver dollars in the Treasury not then held for redemption of an outstanding silver certificates, to prescribe the denominations of such silver certificates, and to coin standard silver dollars and subsidiary silver currency for their redemption,' and (b) By revoking subparagraphs (b) and (c) of paragraph 2 thereof.

SECTION 2. The amendments made by this Order shall not affect any act done, or any right accruing or accrued or any suit or proceeding had or commenced in any civil or criminal cause prior to the date of this Order but all such liabilities shall continue anymay be enforced as if said amendments had not been made.
John F. Kennedy, THE WHITE HOUSE, June 4, 1963.
To understand exactly what Kennedy's order was trying to do, we must understand the purpose of the legislation which gave the order its underlying authority. The Agricultural Adjustment Act of 1933 (ch. 25, 48 Stat 51) to which Kennedy refers permits the President to issue silver certificates in various denominations (mostly $1, $2, $5, and $10) and in any total volume so long as the Treasury has enough silver on hand to redeem the certificates for a specific quantity and fineness of silver and that the total volume of such currency does not exceed $3 billion. The Silver Purchase Act of 1934 (ch. 674,48 Stat 1178) also grants this power to the Treasury Secretary subject to similar limitations. Nowhere in the text of the order is a quantity of money mentioned, so it is unclear how Marrs arrived at his $4.2 billion figure. Moreover, the President could not have authorized such a large issue because it would have exceeded the statutory limit.2
As economic activity grew in the fifties and sixties, the public demand for low denomination currency grew, increasing the Treasury's need for silver to back additional certificate issues and to mint new coins (dimes, quarters, half-dollars). However, during the late fifties the price of silver began to rise and reached the point that the market value of the silver contained in the coins and backing the certificates was greater than the face value of the money itself.2

To conserve the Treasury's silver needs, the Silver Purchase Act and related measures were repealed by Congress in 1963 with Public Law 88-36. Following the repeal, only the President could authorize new silver certificate issues, and no longer the Treasury Secretary. The law, signed by Kennedy himself, also permits the Federal Reserve to issue small denomination bills to replace the outgoing silver certificates (prior to the act, the Fed could only issue Federal Reserve Notes in larger denominations). The Treasury's shrinking silver stock could then be used to mint coins only and not have to back currency. The repeal left only the President with the authority to issue silver certificates, however it did permit him to delegate this authority. E.O. 11,110 does this by transferring the authority from the President to the Treasury
Secretary.2

E.O. 11,110 did not create authority to issue new silver certificates, it only affected who could give the order. The purpose of the order was to facilitate the reduction of certificates in circulation, not to increase them. In October 1964 the Treasury ceased issuing them entirely. The Coinage Act of 1965 (PL 89-81) ended the practice of using silver in most U.S. coins, and in 1968 Congress ended the redeemability of silver certificates (PL 90-29). E.O. 11,110 was never reversed by President Johnson and remained on the books until 1987 when there was a general cleaning-up of executive orders (E.O. 12,608, 9/9/87). However, by this time the remaining legislative authority behind E.O. 11,110 had been repealed by Congress with PL 97-258 in 1982.2

In summary, E.O. 11,110 did not create new authority to issue additional silver certificates. In fact, its intention was to ease the process for their removal so that small denomination Federal Reserve Notes could replace them in accordance with a law Kennedy himself signed. If Kennedy had really sought to reduce Federal Reserve power, then why did he sign a bill that gave the Fed still more power?

Marrs also makes some other factual errors in his conspiracy tale that suggest he is not very familiar with the Federal Reserve or the financial system. He writes that a source of tension between the Federal Reserve and the Kennedy Administration was the Treasury's desire to allow banks to underwrite state and local government bonds, thereby weakening the "dominant" Federal Reserve banks. However, such a move, which was later permitted by Congress, would not have affected the Federal Reserve system because it had never been involved in underwriting bond issues. Marrs also claims that Kennedy signed a bill that changed the backing of small denomination currency from silver to gold to "add strength to the weakened U.S. currency." This is completely false. U.S. currency has not been on the gold standard since 1934, and silver certificates, as their name suggests, had never been redeemable in anything but silver. In addition, U.S. currency was not "weak" during Kennedy's time: There had not been any significant inflation since the late forties, and the exchange rate value of the dollar was fixed according to the Bretton Woods agreement.

In the introduction to his book, Marrs advises the reader not to trust his book. This appears to be good advice.

References:

1. Marrs, Jim (1989), Crossfire: The Plot that Killed Kennedy, New York: Carroll & Graf Publishers.

2. Woodward, G. Thomas (1996), "Money and the Federal Reserve System: Myth and Reality," Congressional Research Service.

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Please educate me and provide the quote where JFK said he was going to eliminate the Federal Reserve. I do not want a quote where someone else said what JFK said, but a quote from JFK.

pradaboy

Ok, looks like I was fooled by that one. My bad, you're right on this point.

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GoodGuy

You are pretty retarded in the way you receive news...

This was already known 4 years ago..

LOL... DAMN OLD NEWS...

We already know Bush planed 9/11.. I can't believe usa fat bald losers came now and say "I thin bush planed 9/11"

What a bunch of retarded losers you are in usa... assholes.

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Speak Engrish!

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DaddyHalbucks

Governments (including our own) are often corrupt, but this theory of the US government destroying the WTC makes no sense.

If you watch the imminent collapse of the WTC frame-by-frame, you can virtually see the exact point where the trusses buckled from the strain caused by the fire.

These professors treaching this theory are crackpots who are advancing a political agenda.

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MyNameIsNobody

aliens exist and abduct people, the whole american government is run by giant alien lizards in clever disguises and 9/11 was all planned by them!

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minusonebit

So have I. It was obvious that they allowed it to happen. Had they not allowed it to happen, it would not have happened. Obviously. I still think Bush and his good ole boys had some people directly involved.

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Wow and Stalin was the bad boy Hitler the good

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fear fear fear! they want you under control!

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12clicks

did they start planing this in Texas while he was governor or did he pull this giant consiracy off in his first 6 months of office?

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Man, if you doubters would only sit down and read one well researched 700 page book, you would know EVERYTHING you need to know about 911 and geopolitics. This books EXPLAINS IT ALL and I defy anyone to find even a single innaccuracy amongst it's 1,000 carefully researched and annotated footnotes. It will blow your mind:




Crossing the Rubicon: The Decline of the American Empire at the End of the Age of Oil
by Michael C. Ruppert

This is a detective story that gets to the innermost core of the 9/11 attacks. It places 9/11 at the center of a desperate new America, created by specific, named individuals in preparation for Peak Oil: an economic crisis like nothing the world has ever seen.

The attacks of September 11th, 2001 were accomplished through an amazing orchestration of logistics and personnel. Crossing the Rubicon discovers and identifies the key suspects and persons of interest - finding some of them in the highest echelons of American government - by showing how they acted in concert to guarantee that the attacks occurred and produced the desired result.






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On learning of Rubicon's addition to the Harvard Business School's library, Mike Ruppert commented, "For as much as FTW has written negatively about Harvard and its impacts, it remains an educational powerhouse. The "bad guys" who went there, the leaders that have and will be coming from Harvard, don't go there for bad education. What Harvard does is teach the elites how to manage the world without changing it. That Rubicon has been selected for their library does not surprise me in the least. I hope it will have some influence on Harvard's graduates to see that major changes are inevitable. They and all the rest of the world are going to be confined together on a very troubled planet for a long, long time."

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Nookster

This just proves that there really are truly stupid and ignorant people in the world. Not only were the planes seen by eye witnesses but people also caught it on video tape, pictures, etc. Fucking liberals I swear.

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Lets find more spin for that five year old news piece and stir up a bunch of idiots in our wake.

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wonton

You're way off base. The vast majority of credible individuals in the 911 Truth movement do NOT dispute that planes hit the buildings. Of course planes hit the buildings!! The mainstream press would have you believe that most of the scholars for 911 truth are kooks who believe in aliens and all sorts of nonsense. The mainstream media absolutely refuses to discuss the REAL issues - like NORAD running no less than 15 DIVERSIONARY drills on 911 that effectively froze interceptor response. See the book I reference above. Read it! Arguing about facts you know nothing about is counter productive.

And as to your comment about "liberals" - the vast majority of people in 911 Truth are actually hardcore, gun-toting conservatives that would even make Bush and Cheney look like liberals. That's another fact the mainstream media is too afraid to acknowledge.

Matt 26z

Did any of you see that guy from debunking911myths.com (opperated by Popular Mechanics) on Bill O'Reilly on Monday night?

He tried the debunk the cellphones not working in the sky theory by stating that he called the airlines and they all told him that cellphones do work. That's actually because they RECENTLY installed equipment to make this possible. Prior to 9-11 cellphone call success rates on planes were extremely low....

http://www.qualcomm.com/press/releas...estflight.html

July 15, 2004

"Even though commercial availability of cell phone use in flight is approximately 24 months away..."


He also lied about the size of the hole the plane left. He stated that a 100+ foot plane could have fit into the 90 foot wide hole. In reality, photos taken BEFORE the section collapsed show a hole only 15-17 feet across. He left out that bit of info.

Matt 26z

When people say that planes did not hit the WTC or Pentagon, they do not mean it in a literal sense. The idea (and not all conspiracy theorists believe this exactly) is that the government dolled up a military plane to look like a commercial jet and then loaded it with a missile to cause maximum damage.

Many try to debunk this by stating that four real jets are in fact missing. You may want to read this interesting info that briefly touches on the subject...

http://www.rense.com/general68/911h.htm

anarchy

Are you a demolition expert, or did you watch fox news?

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BuggyG

ok.. so tell me.. why would they be pissed about this""

"These men aren't uneducated junk scientists: Barrett will teach a class on Islam at the University of Wisconsin this fall, over the protests of more than 60 state legislators"

why would they protest about it? I mean.. teaching/knowing Islam does not make you a terrorist. Just a religion. Maybe to broden the minds of people goes against their beleifs and the sheep will get to know something and the politicians are more afraid of that then anything else

someone mind explaiing it to me? I'll get flamed for it.. but who cares.. sheep do as sheep see