CCBill Suing Paycom, Curran - GoFuckYourself.com

MJ_AVN · 08-04-2006, 01:53 PM

TEMPE, Ariz. - Third-party processor CCBill is suing its chief competitor Paycom and former CCBill vice president of human resources Patrick Curran.

The lawsuit, filed on July 27 in Arizona Superior Court, alleges that Curran accepted a position at Paycom despite being under contract with CCBill. CCBill further alleges that Paycom was aware of Curran's employment agreement and a confidential disclosure agreement Curran signed with CCBill in 2001.

http://avnonline.com/index.php?Prima...tent_ID=273594

Sebastian Sands · 08-04-2006, 01:56 PM

I will park my sig right here

baddog · 08-04-2006, 01:56 PM

oh, now that is some drama there

baddog · 08-04-2006, 01:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sebastian Sands

I will park my sig right here

I knew I should have just said something like that to insure the sig spot.

More Booze · 08-04-2006, 01:57 PM

Sosa · 08-04-2006, 01:57 PM

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OG LennyT · 08-04-2006, 01:58 PM

see sig see sig

Mark_E4A · 08-04-2006, 01:58 PM

WOW, this could get dirty

go ccbill go

Mr. Soul · 08-04-2006, 01:58 PM

Interesting headline, but no real drama here. These kinds of lawsuits happen all the time in the business world. I'm glad to see it's something typical and nothing serious.

RRRED · 08-04-2006, 01:58 PM

Haha I heard about this.. Eeeesh

aico · 08-04-2006, 01:59 PM

Welcome to the world of Business, this shit happens all the time.

PSGuru · 08-04-2006, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by More Booze

haha

baddog · 08-04-2006, 02:00 PM

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CCBill alleges Curran stole their assets and trade secret information, an allegation stemming from a company-provided cell phone which Curran reportedly had transferred from the company's name to his.

If true (not saying it isn't), not very smart. I wonder what cell phone company would even let you do that.

Daruma · 08-04-2006, 02:00 PM

settlement for $$$,$$$.$$

CyberAgeGary · 08-04-2006, 02:02 PM

Wow.. This will be huge...

the Shemp · 08-04-2006, 02:02 PM

i love real corporate drama....

Michael O · 08-04-2006, 02:07 PM

SomeCreep · 08-04-2006, 02:16 PM

bump for sig views

baddog · 08-04-2006, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by LatinCashGary

Wow.. This will be huge...

OT: did you get the link I sent you on ICQ?

Magix · 08-04-2006, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by More Booze

The Ghost · 08-04-2006, 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Keyser Soze

RealityWife · 08-04-2006, 02:30 PM

Not good.

Mutt · 08-04-2006, 02:37 PM

keeping a cell phone? that's the modern day equivalent of taking home a box of pens and rubber bands.

sounds like making a mountain out of a molehill but who knows - maybe the guy walked away with more than a cellphone .

Furious_Male · 08-04-2006, 02:40 PM

Standard business legal maneuvering. Nothing out of the ordinary.

artman · 08-04-2006, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

If true (not saying it isn't), not very smart. I wonder what cell phone company would even let you do that.

all of them

OG LennyT · 08-04-2006, 02:43 PM

There might be some personal stuff going down here as Pat was with them since the beginning. (might explain the petty cell phone thing)

Drake · 08-04-2006, 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Keyser Soze

phatbiatch · 08-04-2006, 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sebastian Sands

I will park my sig right here

you should park it under my butt to support it

Stumps · 08-04-2006, 02:51 PM

sigspottttt

Rand · 08-04-2006, 02:55 PM

It's true that Patrick Curran has decided to join the Epoch family.

However, Epoch categorically denies the allegations against Patrick and we will defend his right to decide where he wants to work.

Many in the industry know Patrick and know that the accusations being alleged against him are simply not true.

We are flattered that Patrick decided to come work with Epoch.

baddog · 08-04-2006, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by artman

all of them

So, if I take your cell phone they will just transfer it over to my name because I asked them to?

Bro Media - BANNED FOR LIFE · 08-04-2006, 02:55 PM

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baddog · 08-04-2006, 02:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mutt

keeping a cell phone? that's the modern day equivalent of taking home a box of pens and rubber bands.

More like a rolodex

madawgz · 08-04-2006, 02:57 PM

now this is going to be a big fucking battle!

PSGuru · 08-04-2006, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

More like a rolodex

B-I-N-G-O!

Vitasoy · 08-04-2006, 03:02 PM

This one should be interesting

gecko · 08-04-2006, 03:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Keyser Soze

lol.....

tony286 · 08-04-2006, 03:06 PM

I was a headhunter , employment contracts don't hold up especially he was VP of personnel not R&D. You cant stop someone from earning a living in their profession.The point of employment contracts is to try to scare away potential job oportunities, most will not want the hassel of the legal mumbo jumbo.
I love CCBill but this is a company who still cant do direct deposit,I doubt he stole anything ground breaking lol.

2HousePlague · 08-04-2006, 03:11 PM

Best of luck to all parties.

2hp

Pornwolf · 08-04-2006, 03:20 PM

Drama? I think it it. Real drama!

The Captain · 08-04-2006, 03:20 PM

whoa aint that some shit

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 08-04-2006, 03:58 PM

The cell phone could be very significant and far beyond petty larceny, since if he called ccBill clients that were stored in it, while working on behalf of Paycom, that might buttress ccBill's claims.

Many employment agreements stipulate that client data is the property of the employer. Continuing to access that info in the form of stored phone numbers and possibly more (since sophisticated phones contain related database info far beyond phone numbers) could prove sticky and make Curran's case trickier than usual.

Corporate intrigue...

ADG Webmaster

DutchTeenCash · 08-04-2006, 04:00 PM

it happens

happens between lotsa companies, I had those rules as well long ago - you just know its gonna go to court if you do

SteveLightspeed · 08-04-2006, 04:23 PM

I personally find this heartbreaking. Everyone knows I'm a strong CCBill supporter, and that support includes Patrick. I hate it when my friends fight! I hope this can all be resolved soon in a professional and amicable way.

Steve Lightspeed

CCBillMKTG · 08-04-2006, 05:20 PM

Tempe, Arizona ? August 4, 2006 ? Today, AVN Online reported that CCBill is suing Paycom and its former employee, Patrick Curran. The truth is that management at Paycom, CCBill?s largest and most direct competitor, has apparently decided to compete with CCBill through corporate raids and attempts to mine CCBill?s trade secrets, rather than by offering superior products and pricing to the marketplace. CCBill was shocked to learn that two former CCBill employees, Patrick Curran and David Salonic, have departed for Paycom, and in Curran?s case without notice, taking with them knowledge of client lists and other valuable information, which they may be disclosing unlawfully to Paycom. Promptly upon Curran?s exit, Paycom launched litigation, suing CCBill in California. Paycom claims a non-existent legal right to receive CCBill?s high level employees and obtain CCBill?s confidential information with impunity. CCBill is attempting to protect itself from Paycom?s newly aggressive tactics.

CCBill, as do most successful companies today, takes all legal and appropriate steps to protect its business assets including its intellectual property, confidential information, trade secrets and competitive advantages. One of the mechanisms that companies employ to provide that protection is a written agreement with the employees that in essence says that for a period of time after leaving the company the employee agrees not to go to work with a competitor. Another is an agreement to not divulge any Company information to anyone outside the Company. With that stated, in the past 2 weeks, two of CCBill?s senior managers have chosen to violate their signed commitment to the Company and accept employment with Paycom.

CCBill advised Paycom immediately of the existence of the employment agreements which these individuals had signed. Rather than support CCBill?s right to prevent employees from taking Company confidential information to competitors, Paycom chose to race to the courthouse to file suit against CCBill. Thus, CCBill has taken legal action and responded appropriately.

CCBill recognizes that this response is a shift from their normal policy of not responding to rumors and innuendos, but believes it is important for the industry to know that CCBill is here for the long haul, and as always has done the right thing to protect its business and that of its clients.

OG LennyT · 08-04-2006, 05:29 PM

see sig, this is getting interesting

Jace · 08-04-2006, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by dvd316

see sig, this is getting interesting

not really....

tony286 · 08-04-2006, 05:32 PM

Customer lists? Its only the two of you guys most of the big fish have both or know who the players are its not like its a big secret, you just got to the join page. lol Also why dont dont we have direct deposit yet,it would beat paying for postage. If your customers are as important you say its what most of them want.

tony286 · 08-04-2006, 05:44 PM

sorry for the spelling errors , laptop on my lap lol . I love ccbill but want my direct deposit lol

Daruma · 08-04-2006, 06:04 PM

certainly there must be more to the story - why did the 2 top management people leave in the first place?

$
or
$$
or
more $$
or
unhappy about some other shit?

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tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	I was a headhunter , employment contracts don't hold up especially he was VP of personnel not R&D. You cant stop someone from earning a living in their profession.The point of employment contracts is to try to scare away potential job oportunities, most will not want the hassel of the legal mumbo jumbo. I love CCBill but this is a company who still cant do direct deposit,I doubt he stole anything ground breaking lol.

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SteveLightspeed Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Lightspeedworld Posts: 7,940	I personally find this heartbreaking. Everyone knows I'm a strong CCBill supporter, and that support includes Patrick. I hate it when my friends fight! I hope this can all be resolved soon in a professional and amicable way. Steve Lightspeed __________________ Abra-cadabra!

08-04-2006, 05:20 PM	#45
CCBillMKTG Registered User Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 18	CCBill Repsonse to AVNOnline Article Tempe, Arizona ? August 4, 2006 ? Today, AVN Online reported that CCBill is suing Paycom and its former employee, Patrick Curran. The truth is that management at Paycom, CCBill?s largest and most direct competitor, has apparently decided to compete with CCBill through corporate raids and attempts to mine CCBill?s trade secrets, rather than by offering superior products and pricing to the marketplace. CCBill was shocked to learn that two former CCBill employees, Patrick Curran and David Salonic, have departed for Paycom, and in Curran?s case without notice, taking with them knowledge of client lists and other valuable information, which they may be disclosing unlawfully to Paycom. Promptly upon Curran?s exit, Paycom launched litigation, suing CCBill in California. Paycom claims a non-existent legal right to receive CCBill?s high level employees and obtain CCBill?s confidential information with impunity. CCBill is attempting to protect itself from Paycom?s newly aggressive tactics. CCBill, as do most successful companies today, takes all legal and appropriate steps to protect its business assets including its intellectual property, confidential information, trade secrets and competitive advantages. One of the mechanisms that companies employ to provide that protection is a written agreement with the employees that in essence says that for a period of time after leaving the company the employee agrees not to go to work with a competitor. Another is an agreement to not divulge any Company information to anyone outside the Company. With that stated, in the past 2 weeks, two of CCBill?s senior managers have chosen to violate their signed commitment to the Company and accept employment with Paycom. CCBill advised Paycom immediately of the existence of the employment agreements which these individuals had signed. Rather than support CCBill?s right to prevent employees from taking Company confidential information to competitors, Paycom chose to race to the courthouse to file suit against CCBill. Thus, CCBill has taken legal action and responded appropriately. CCBill recognizes that this response is a shift from their normal policy of not responding to rumors and innuendos, but believes it is important for the industry to know that CCBill is here for the long haul, and as always has done the right thing to protect its business and that of its clients. __________________ [email protected]

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08-04-2006, 05:32 PM	#48
tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	Customer lists? Its only the two of you guys most of the big fish have both or know who the players are its not like its a big secret, you just got to the join page. lol Also why dont dont we have direct deposit yet,it would beat paying for postage. If your customers are as important you say its what most of them want. Last edited by tony299; 08-04-2006 at 05:34 PM..

08-04-2006, 05:44 PM	#49
tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	sorry for the spelling errors , laptop on my lap lol . I love ccbill but want my direct deposit lol