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RyuLion · 08-04-2006, 06:06 PM

yeap, this is not good at all..

Martin · 08-04-2006, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Keyser Soze

Great idea dude.

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 08-04-2006, 06:18 PM

Didn't know that Paycom initiated the first suit...

AVN needs to dig deeper.

This is gonna be expensive $$$

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Well Dunn · 08-04-2006, 06:29 PM

wow this could either be huge, or end up not a big deal. I am having a hard time picking a side, because not all of the facts are out there yet.

mikesouth · 08-04-2006, 06:29 PM

Gee CCBill needs to forget suing paycom and implement direct deposit

thats my two cents...

BVF · 08-04-2006, 06:55 PM

Just make sure my wire keeps coming on time...

Rand · 08-04-2006, 07:25 PM

We were extremely disappointed with CCBill's mischaracterization of the facts and attempt to disparage Paycom's stellar reputation. There has been no corporate raiding. Paycom merely accomodated the requests of 2 employees looking to make a lifestyle change.

While their former employer tried to shackle them with onerous covenants not to compete legal counsel has determined that they are clearly unenforceable both in California and Arizona as the legal proceedings will confirm. Paycom has no interest in, or need for, any trade secrets. Paycom already knows all the players in the industry and our innovative technology such as the launch of our venture with MPA3 has no use for anything that CCBill has to offer. In compliance with applicable law, Paycom believes that every employee has a right to work wherever they want and when approached by talent such as Patrick Curran and David Salonic we are not willing to let draconian restraints on a person's right to work get in our way.

We believe that the best way to keep an employee is to have a great atmosphere, great product and a great company. We frankly cannot understand what it is that CCBill is really afraid of? Competition?

The Epoch Family

Daruma · 08-04-2006, 07:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rand

We were extremely disappointed with CCBill's mischaracterization of the facts and attempt to disparage Paycom's stellar reputation. There has been no corporate raiding. Paycom merely accomodated the requests of 2 employees looking to make a lifestyle change.

While their former employer tried to shackle them with onerous covenants not to compete legal counsel has determined that they are clearly unenforceable both in California and Arizona as the legal proceedings will confirm. Paycom has no interest in, or need for, any trade secrets. Paycom already knows all the players in the industry and our innovative technology such as the launch of our venture with MPA3 has no use for anything that CCBill has to offer. In compliance with applicable law, Paycom believes that every employee has a right to work wherever they want and when approached by talent such as Patrick Curran and David Salonic we are not willing to let draconian restraints on a person's right to work get in our way.

We believe that the best way to keep an employee is to have a great atmosphere, great product and a great company. We frankly cannot understand what it is that CCBill is really afraid of? Competition?

The Epoch Family

you almost sound like a lawyer

too bad this whole thing is only going to make a few lawyers more wealthy

and waste a lot of time of the good minds in both companies - it would be nice if all of this energy on both sides went to better ratios, features and developing more solid and innovative solutions for the upcoming years ahead of everyone

SteveLightspeed · 08-04-2006, 08:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rand

We were extremely disappointed with CCBill's mischaracterization of the facts and attempt to disparage Paycom's stellar reputation. There has been no corporate raiding. Paycom merely accomodated the requests of 2 employees looking to make a lifestyle change.

While their former employer tried to shackle them with onerous covenants not to compete legal counsel has determined that they are clearly unenforceable both in California and Arizona as the legal proceedings will confirm. Paycom has no interest in, or need for, any trade secrets. Paycom already knows all the players in the industry and our innovative technology such as the launch of our venture with MPA3 has no use for anything that CCBill has to offer. In compliance with applicable law, Paycom believes that every employee has a right to work wherever they want and when approached by talent such as Patrick Curran and David Salonic we are not willing to let draconian restraints on a person's right to work get in our way.

We believe that the best way to keep an employee is to have a great atmosphere, great product and a great company. We frankly cannot understand what it is that CCBill is really afraid of? Competition?

The Epoch Family

With all due respect Rand, I would bet that Epoch would react similarly if two of its senior managers left abruptly for CCBill.

Epoch and CCBill are both great companies. Both companies would be attractive places to work. If Epoch doesn't need Patrick's inside knowledge of CCBill and its operations, then why didn't Epoch choose the high ground and avoid hiring from your biggest competitor? Isn't that the ethical thing to do?

Surely you knew this would start a battle between companies. You must get dozens of qualified resumes weekly. So, in your own words, WHAT ARE YOU REALLY AFRAID OF?

Steve Lightspeed

Rochard · 08-04-2006, 08:48 PM

Very interesting!

OG LennyT · 08-04-2006, 08:51 PM

theres more to this than stealing trade secrets.. its personal

just my humble observation

SteveLightspeed · 08-04-2006, 08:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rand

We were extremely disappointed with CCBill's mischaracterization of the facts and attempt to disparage Paycom's stellar reputation. There has been no corporate raiding. Paycom merely accomodated the requests of 2 employees looking to make a lifestyle change.

While their former employer tried to shackle them with onerous covenants not to compete legal counsel has determined that they are clearly unenforceable both in California and Arizona as the legal proceedings will confirm. Paycom has no interest in, or need for, any trade secrets. Paycom already knows all the players in the industry and our innovative technology such as the launch of our venture with MPA3 has no use for anything that CCBill has to offer. In compliance with applicable law, Paycom believes that every employee has a right to work wherever they want and when approached by talent such as Patrick Curran and David Salonic we are not willing to let draconian restraints on a person's right to work get in our way.

We believe that the best way to keep an employee is to have a great atmosphere, great product and a great company. We frankly cannot understand what it is that CCBill is really afraid of? Competition?

The Epoch Family

So is this the official "ok" for Epochs employees to seek employment at CCBill without fear of legal repercussions? Epoch won't try to enforce any non-compete contracts or restrictions? IMO, this is an ugly can of worms that you are opening here.

Tom_PM · 08-04-2006, 09:02 PM

Well, their non-compete contracts are probably different. It's lawyers opinions and such.

As an affiliate who likes both parties, get it settled folks. Thanks

Bladewire · 08-04-2006, 09:16 PM

The stability of our industry is at stake here and terms like "corporate raid" are hinting at things that we don't know are going on behind the scenes.

As far as processing we mainly have Epoch, CCBill and Verotel. Is there really so little money to go around that things have to go this route?

I can't help but to think that greed & power is involved here where it clearly isn't necessary.

We are a small industry and we all know that not playing well with others can ruin a companies reputation.

V_RocKs · 08-04-2006, 09:36 PM

Why does someone need Patrick to see the CCBILL info?

Just hire a hacker...

s9ann0 · 08-04-2006, 09:37 PM

can't we all just get along?

xlogger · 08-04-2006, 11:12 PM

Damn, Paycom playing dirty? LOLOL, nice.

Forget all the ethical bullshit.

V_RocKs · 08-05-2006, 01:14 AM

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Originally Posted by xlogger

Damn, Paycom playing dirty? LOLOL, nice.

Forget all the ethical bullshit.

After all we are all in adult...

95% of the women in the videos you all shoot are fucked up douche bags on their last leg and doing the shoot for $300... oops, meant to say $180 after the "manager" takes his cut...

4Pics · 08-05-2006, 06:40 AM

holy cow!!!

Theo · 08-05-2006, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveLightspeed

So is this the official "ok" for Epochs employees to seek employment at CCBill without fear of legal repercussions? Epoch won't try to enforce any non-compete contracts or restrictions? IMO, this is an ugly can of worms that you are opening here.

lol dont expect a reply on this

Sebastian Sands · 08-05-2006, 04:40 PM

lol.. ofcourse you know who the players are, i think everyone knows this. I was trying to set up Epoch and you had the guts to tell me at Internext in Las Vegas that if I didnt process 50K per month through you (you have no clue what I own and process) , you had no time to talk to me.. No wonder you need the pro's from CC bill to get shit done.. I am still waiting for my email that was promissed the last time I mentioned this in a thread.

Sebastian Sands · 08-05-2006, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Sebastian Sands

lol.. ofcourse you know who the players are, i think everyone knows this. I was trying to set up Epoch and you had the guts to tell me at Internext in Las Vegas that if I didnt process 50K per month through you (you have no clue what I own and process) , you had no time to talk to me.. No wonder you need the pro's from CC bill to get shit done.. I am still waiting for my email that was promissed the last time I mentioned this in a thread.

Not to mention your rep jerked me around for 3 days and have me come back to your booth at least 8 times. It really left me with a bad taste in my mouth after this BS. Plus after seeing me 8 times the dude still couldn't say my name correctly even though he could have just taken it from my badge..

Can you tell I am frustrated with you and your "Family".. ?

xNetworx · 08-05-2006, 04:57 PM

I hope this can be settled out of court.

Rui · 08-05-2006, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Sebastian Sands

Not to mention your rep jerked me around for 3 days and have me come back to your booth at least 8 times. It really left me with a bad taste in my mouth after this BS. Plus after seeing me 8 times the dude still couldn't say my name correctly even though he could have just taken it from my badge..

Can you tell I am frustrated with you and your "Family".. ?

What I wonder is why did you wasted more time with them after beeing treated like shit...

Sebastian Sands · 08-05-2006, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Rui

What I wonder is why did you wasted more time with them after beeing treated like shit...

Hoping for an answer on things and at first I didn't let my personal feelings get in the way of maybe a good business oportunity.

Lykos · 08-05-2006, 06:47 PM

thats cool,

lol

jcsike · 08-10-2006, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Rand

While their former employer tried to shackle them with onerous covenants not to compete legal counsel has determined that they are clearly unenforceable both in California and Arizona as the legal proceedings will confirm.

You may have just set a disastrous precedence for your employees, don't they read this board?

Rand, you should consider working for CCBill, I bet they would take good care of you.

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Rand Industry Vet Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Santa Monica, CA Posts: 2,663	We were extremely disappointed with CCBill's mischaracterization of the facts and attempt to disparage Paycom's stellar reputation. There has been no corporate raiding. Paycom merely accomodated the requests of 2 employees looking to make a lifestyle change. While their former employer tried to shackle them with onerous covenants not to compete legal counsel has determined that they are clearly unenforceable both in California and Arizona as the legal proceedings will confirm. Paycom has no interest in, or need for, any trade secrets. Paycom already knows all the players in the industry and our innovative technology such as the launch of our venture with MPA3 has no use for anything that CCBill has to offer. In compliance with applicable law, Paycom believes that every employee has a right to work wherever they want and when approached by talent such as Patrick Curran and David Salonic we are not willing to let draconian restraints on a person's right to work get in our way. We believe that the best way to keep an employee is to have a great atmosphere, great product and a great company. We frankly cannot understand what it is that CCBill is really afraid of? Competition? The Epoch Family __________________ -- Rand Payment Industry - Communications - Quality Assurance

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08-04-2006, 09:36 PM	#65
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Sebastian Sands Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: ICQ: 211-417-740 Posts: 5,223	lol.. ofcourse you know who the players are, i think everyone knows this. I was trying to set up Epoch and you had the guts to tell me at Internext in Las Vegas that if I didnt process 50K per month through you (you have no clue what I own and process) , you had no time to talk to me.. No wonder you need the pro's from CC bill to get shit done.. I am still waiting for my email that was promissed the last time I mentioned this in a thread.

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