That is totally illogical.

So giving everyone in town a key to my house makes my house LESS likely to being robbed?

Um different flavors for different needs. A basic home user doesn't need the same version of Vista that a business needs or that someone that does a lot of video editing and other shit with. A person witha basic computer doesn't or can't use the same version someone who has the latest CPU and 4 GB of PC2-5300 RAM uses.

Do cars come in ONE flavor? I'm talking about the SAME make and model? No you have a basic version and then you have options depending on what you need or want. Some people want the best stereo system with satelite radio. Some are happy with a basic system with just a plain AM/FM radio and not even a CD player.

I don't understand why people feel the need to include childish insults when people are trying to talk about something like computers. I pee myself? My mommy's money? I don't have real world experience? lol, what grade are you in again?

You could probably chip in with your 5 best friends and you still wouldn't be able to afford to rent a small one bedroom in my neighbourhood, so your school girl insults really aren't hurting my feelings.

You seem to have some serious insecurity issues.

I'm not saying mac's are the fastest computers on the planet. I'm saying that, from my experience of having owned at least a dozens pcs over the years, macs are far more reliable, last way longer, keep their original speed without maintanance, don't require extra security software, and generally cause a lot less headaches. You may disagree, but I've never heard someone bitching about their mac fucking up, but people bitching about windows is basically an institution. I don't like wasting time upgrading, installing security software, doing maintanace, and I definetly hate having to replace my computer, move all my files over, etc. Personally I've been lucky enough not to really loose any important data due to pcs, I'm smart enough to back up anyway, but many people I know have lost data. You can't tell me you've worked in a computer related industry for years and have never heard of anyone loosing data due to windows or pc failures.

I don't see how anyone is arguing that point. I sort of understand why this lyn charector resorts to name calling.

Lyn, if you'd like to continue this discussion, I'll give you my 6 year old's email address. You two can "debate" on the same level.

wrong thread

hmm, I always wondered if my PC was getting slower, figured it was my imagination.. I don't use it enough to get nutz about it, since I'm always on my glorious macs (I have 3)..

i dont know anything at all about Macs. But here's a little story...

A couple years ago my boyfriends dad called and said his "internet was acting funny" and could I please come look at it. For some reason Im tech support for everyone within a 10 mile radius even though I just know the basics.

So I go over there and he has a Mac. One of those colored ones. I sit down and turn it on, it takes forever and a day to boot up. Finally I'm sitting there looking at things and I realize I can't click on anything. NOTHING. Pretty soon it starts making all these weird beeping sounds and error messages start popping up everywhere. At this point I tell him "Im sorry but I can't fix it"

So later on, we're all sitting on the couch, no one near the computer at all, and a box pops up on the Mac and starts trying to dial into the net, all on its own. My boyfriend says "what the hell?" and goes over to stop it. As soon as he clicks "cancel" or whatever, the machine freezes. Can't do anything at all. So he wrestles the thing out of it's little cubby in the computer armoire, and gets a paper clip. Im thinking "what the fuck?"

he puts the paper clip in a tiny little hole, and the Mac reboots.

This happened over and over til they got rid of the computer.

True story.

those imacs sucked,the paper clip reboot deal was fucking rediculous.

never heard of ANY adware or hijacks on a mac though, what was happening was they had AOL or some other shitty dialup deal on there, and it'll try and get the network time and connect whenver you boot the computer.

very well put

I own both, Macs (5) and Windows (2). Within 8 years I have never caught a virus, had spyware installed, or a system crash on a Mac. My husband runs Macs since 1987. He had one virus in 20 years. The only problems we have with the Macs is that the suckers don't bite the dust, wich gives people like me a very bad conscience, when I go out and spend 2k on a new Laptop while the 1998 Power Book is still running.

Now, our two Windows machines are our problem kids. It's a constant battle to keep them virus- and spyware free.

Also, Macs make me horny. They are so slick and avantgarde. Especially those aluminum Power Books feel so badass when I touch them. It's a shame that nobody has ever made dildos out of Mac Aluminum, I just can't manage to get this fucking Laptop up inside my puss.

Thread closed.

keep your harddrive in the microwave

Yes, but you could do the same with OS X. All you have to do is remove bits of it, even prior to installation. NO need for some flavor-of-the-month bull. You just buy one software, and that's it. Up to you to fiddle with it.

That's what I did with my winXP. All MS needs to do is make it easier to do that with Vista. Which of course they won't, because giving us "flavors" lets them make more money.

Seriously. As you say. It's sort of like cars with different options. If you'll take the discussion there, then what MS is really doing is the same thing that the VW/Audi group are doing. Do you know that the VW Golf's chassis is the same underneath the Audi A3, and the Seat Leon, and the Skoda Fabia? Did you also know that the Audi A4's chassis is originally a stretched version of the Golf's? The same applies to the Skoda Octavia.

Now, say Windows Vista is just like that. A basic chassis with different options on it.

Simply put, if the basic "chassis" isn't equipped to run mutli-core processors natively, neither will any of the flavors. The very "base" of the OS cannot change that much just because of "flavors". You don't build an OS from the top layer down (i.e. options to kernel), you build it from the bottom layer up.

And, as the Vista betas have shown, and as MS has been saying, Vista won't be optimized to run dual core processors. Throw in the fact that Vista weighs in at 2GB, without all the other basic software that you need to run "Windows" (i.e. anti-viruses, anti-spyware, registry cleaners, etc.), how "fast" do you think your PC will actually be with that hippo running it?

I'm not trying to jump the gun or anything. I'm just saying: It doesn't hurt to look around now, since the alternatives are real quality now. The brand shouldn't be a reason not to buy.

P.S. I do have the beta Vista. I'm not pleased with it, not by a country mile.

Nope.. the quiet rational kid that doesn't play sport or adhere to any group looks on and laughs as the emo kid ghost fights with imaginary jocks because they need to re-confirm their own sense of "the world being, like, so against them"..

Well yee doggy son! Yew aur not tickeled pink wif a beta version of a piece of softwrrr? Well kiss my grits! I am glad ta see that dat der beta piece of softwrrr has some issues, cus yew know dat is totally unusual fer beta softwrrr. YEEEEEEEEE HAAAAAAAAW

Most people that buy computers are idiots. I'm no expert, but I can get my way around and I usually refered to as the local "expert" because everyone else is so stupid. So idiots don't want to "fiddle" and its better that they don't.

Were do you get your info? In a few years most computerd will be dual cores. Hell quad cores will be out by then. If you have at least 1 Gig of RAM you should be fine. Hell most computers come with that much now.

Linux has always been free yet has never been adopted by the masses. Think about that. And don't say it's because of MS brainwashing because that hasn't stop people from defecting from IE to FireFox.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/TECH/ptech/0....ap/index.html

Microsoft made a test version of Vista available to about 3,000 security professionals Thursday as it detailed the steps it has taken to fortify the product against attacks that can compromise bank account numbers and other sensitive information.

"You need to touch it, feel it," Andrew Cushman, Microsoft's director of security outreach, said during a talk at the Black Hat computer-security conference. "We're here to show our work."

Microsoft has faced blistering criticism for security holes that have led to network outages and business disruptions for its customers. After being accused for not putting enough resources into shoring up its products, the software maker is trying to convince outsiders that it has changed.

"They're going directly to the bear in the bear's lair," says Jon Callas, the chief technology officer at PGP Corp., which makes encryption software and other security products. "They are going to people who don't like them, say nasty things and have the incentive to find the things that are wrong."

Due early next year, Vista is the first product to be designed from scratch under a Microsoft program dubbed secure development life cycle, which represents a sea change in the company's approach to bringing out new products. Instead of placing the addition of compelling new features at the top of engineers' priority list, Microsoft now requires them to first consider how code might be misused.

Really, who cares?

I've used PC's pretty much all my life, I've built them, repaired, upgraded, etc, etc, and I've never had a problem maintaining a healthy pc. The current pc I'm on I built two years ago, I haven't had one virus, adware, malware, problem, but then again it's not rocket science to keep your pc working and running.

As for whether a mac can outlast a pc, lol, I can go into my basement, pull out a commodore 64 and have it up and running in about 10 minutes. Computer components rarely fail, it doesn't matter if it's a mac or pc.

Mac's are decent, I think OSX is pretty nifty, but I like to be able build my system from scratch, get the best components for what I need, etc, and I can't do that with macs. Also, in time, like Stuart pointed out, more security flaws will be found with macs as they get a bigger share of the market and when it does heaven help the poor mac user who's ill prepared to repair anything.

So, to each his own.

If I find the article again, I'll pm it to you. Right now I just have way too much work on hand to bother with it.

I'm not doubting current PC hardware, but it's one to have a 2GB OS folder, as compared to something that doesn't even really scratch 600mb. Linux is even smaller.

What's worse is having a 2GB OS folder, of an OS that can't maximize the expensive hardware you bought because it wasn't optimized for it. What's the point, right?


Linux is great if you run servers, not if you're designing stuff like I do. They may have a photoshop alternative, but it's still not as thorough, and they still lack a lot of crucial design tools.

You know what

Never have had a Mac/Apple computer

very true, the flaws arnt exposed because nobody wants to hack it yet, or create viruses...

Congratulations on not reading the article, and stating to complete opposite of the facts. :thumbsup

It is easier to rootkit a mac =\ Truth is nobody just gives a flying fuck about less than 10% of computer users :1orglaugh

Makes sense that only 10% of the people have Macs, that's right around the same percent of people who are considered rich... hmmm, go figure. :pimp

a guy offer 1000USD to get a demo---> http://deepquest.code511.com/blog/co...?id=P395_0_1_0

10%? try 3% About the same % that are gay. not saying there is a connection.

true around 3 -2.5%...

nerdiest thread EVER!

Aww... thanks, I'm honoured :glugglug

f34r!!!!

Uptime: 83 days

I'd like to see windows even try to compete with that.

WOW is that all?

Not very bright are you?
I've had 2k servers up for over a year without problems.

2 1/2 months on any OS is nothing to brag about. Well, except for maybe WinME :1orglaugh