No.. he might upgrade twice in 3 years because anyone that doesn't is semi retarded or doesn't need a decent computer in the first place.. I don't know.. some of us like to be efficient and get productivity out of their workers. You'd understand that if you actually ran a business. If i ran a mac office i'd upgrade every 18 months as well.. i'd like to see how the next 2-3 releases with incremental bloat of photoshop or whatever are running on ANY 3 year old machine.
At any rate i've probably used macs longer than you have, and have easily spent more on new hardware than you have... you are dismissed.

Can't read, too drunk to read (currently true), or, perhaps, don't feel like reading seven paragraphs when in browsing I see phrases like "dumb-nut" or "dumb mac fuckers".

Have fun with your next crash, your next spyware, your next upgrade. I'll be right here, enjoying my drink, with a perfect computer that works for 3+ years without any errors and without any maintanance. I bet I could piss on this machine, take a dump on the monitor, and when I wake up, it will have cleaned itself up and made me a cup of coffee. :thumbsup

The funny thing is...

...all windows users say "as long as you have the right anti-virus/anti-spy ware apps, you'll be fine"





errr... that's the point. Mac users don't need anti-virus software. I'm not a mac user either. I run a stripped winxp pc (fat content removed), which is BLINDINGLY quick, even at 1GB ram and a 3.0Ghz P4.

But. I would still prefer having a powermac. Can't wait for the new ones to come out with the conroe's in them.

Why? Because at least the OS I'm using is optimized to utilize the improvements of the chip(s). Whereas when Vista comes out, MS actually said it won't be natively optimized to run dual core processors.

So while Mac's OS is all set and ready to run 8 cores, Vista will weigh in at 2GB and not even be optimized to run 2? Why the fuck did I upgrade my hardware for then? Why buy conroe's if you can't use them to their fullest? Why spend hundreds of dollars on an OS that is as slow as the last version, and can't even maximize your hardware?

Sounds like A-B-C to me. Dunno about you guys. I'd rather have a poofta-mac at home knowing that I'm really making the most of out the money I spent on the hardware, and actually working, rather than spending 2 hours everyday trolling the net looking for that beta service pack, and then waiting another 3-4 hours total due to load times, thanks to all the memory being sapped by zone alarm, which is the ONLY way to go if you want security on a windows-based system.

Suck it up guys. Windows is beaten. Don't hate something just because you can't afford it. That's like me hating Ferrari's.

Wow, dismissed, how stupid do I feel? You sure showed me. I can tell because of the way you told me I was dismissed.

I don't think that's true... Microsoft has said there will be like seven fucking flavors of Vista, and not one of those will be optimized to use DC chips? I?m calling bullshit, much like I called bullshit when Calista Flockhart claimed she wasn?t a lesbian.

Probably pretty stupid, but hopefully thats just the alcohol... I can tell I "showed you" because you couldn't reply with a valid argument, so thanks for the acknowledgment, I appreciate it. :thumbsup

"Suck it up guys. Windows is beaten. Don't hate something just because you can't afford it. That's like me hating Ferrari's."


quoted because it's a quotable quote of quote greatness

Argument to someone saying I'm dismissed and told me I don't "actually run a business"? Sorry, it's been a while since grade school.

I'm rubber and you're glue, whatever you say bounces off my and sticks on you.


Better?

Pretty much the most illogical argument ever. Macs use the same components these days and aren't really that much more expensive - it's not 1996.. For example the top of the range Dell I bought a few months ago was only $100 less than the top of the range similar spec (but PC users had the faster specs before apple finally caught up) Mac but I got a much bigger screen thats not available to mac users... so basically i got a better ferrari without paying an idiot tax on top of it. But then again i tend to use dry logic rather than overly emotional decisions when buying hardware because i know it's mostly the driver that gets things done. And even back in '96 the macs being expensive argument was never that they were ferraris, it was that PC users got their ferrari's with even less idiot tax (ok ok marketing campaign investment/small user base cost inefficiencies/Rich monopoly of platform dependent design industries targetting). But once again you have to be able to step back from the argument to be able to see that rationally. Hard when you treat a computer like a religion instead of just a tool with yourself as god..

What the fuck, my mac just froze and I had to reboot.


hahaha, just kidding.

Keep talking about your "idiot tax". In my eyes, time=money. Every time you have to reboot, upgrade your virus software, close a popup, etc etc, that's YOU paying idiot tax. I'd rather pay more up front and not have to waste time.

Sorry i meant a real business with more than one person.. where your hardware decisions for that year run into 10's of thousands. Arguing that you use a 3 year old machine pretty much tells me you don't, or you just don't need a fast computer in which case the whole argument is moot because you can code in notepad on a 286 and still do whatever.. So take your pick.. you run a business with at least a few full time staff and you make them work on 3 year old machines.. or thats not a problem because you do SEO in notepad and arguing about machines running fast is a useless factor to your business..

Or you're a one man show on a nice mac running out of a room in your house, slightly drunk and got nothing better to do.

anywho.. last employee has gone.. no replies here.. time to go home and spend time with the wife... my days of churning my evening pissing for entertainment on gfy are well over ;) ciao

hmm, my almost three year old computer is a 64 bit Powermac G5, dual 2.0 ghz processors, and 8 gigs of ram. I guess in your mind that is slow. I do not have in house employees for whom I have to supply hardware.

And, I'm totally drunk, and sitting in the den of my apartment (I nkow, sounds cheap to people in the flyover area, it's not).

Let's see first what those flavors are.

Honestly, don't you think the fact that there are "flavors" speaks volumes?

So... vista lite, vista home, vista server, vista xp, vista...

Why? What for? So we have to pay $800 for the flavor that's optimized for multi-cores because we're part of the "hardcore" segment?

C'mon guys, seriously now. I'm not even thinking with any emotion here. I'm happy with my stripped WinXP right now, because it's optimized to run with my P4, and with the fat stripped away, its bleeding quick.

...but when the time comes and I need to upgrade sometime next year, I don't think it would hurt to take a real serious look before repurchasing a windows-run machine again.

You're just a sigwhore hater who wants page views for his sig. We all know Macs are superior because they're *nix based. :)

jeez, this is so useless..

I like using both, Mac and PC.. they both have their pro's and cons..
I like PC coz it's cheap, has shitloads of soft and i can get my hands dirty building better systems as a hobby..

I like MAC coz the OSX rocks! it looks awesome and feels chique and less amateuristic than XP..their hardware looks awesome as well.

To be honnest, i dont really see why i should choose a side..i like both..
hell, i even love my Amiga :-)

This discussion is soo deja vu ;-) it's been happening since the 1980's..

looks like the jock just threw me up against the locker!

thanks for proving my point! :thumbsup

My sig does '0wnZ', doesn't it?

Admit it, you clicked it. :glugglug

too funny. just be thankful for some variety. i love osx, but i have no problem with others using windows.

i also love oralsex.

You're an ignoramous.

Tell me why POWER USERS still prefer a pc? Cost vs performace as well as the fact they have complete control over their system and hardware and aren't bombarded with idiotic "widgets". Mac is an expensive crutch to stupidity. Mind you they have good pieces of hardware, but not as expandable until just recently.

You're also too stupid to own a computer.

I only have to upgrade every 3 years. I crash maybe once a year. Last time my PC froze up was literally over a year ago. Regular minimal maintenance keeps a PC running smooth. It's morons who mess around with poorly coded applications that end up corrupting their windows operating systems. I abuse my system badly.. I have melted motherboards and CPU's in my time from the abuse I give systems. I'm still going strong 8 months into my last upgrade. Solid as day one. It will remain that way until I retire this thing aboyt 28 months from now. Bonus is, I only paid 600 for the damn thing because I built it myself and shopped smart.


Now.. lets say you want to blame windows for your computing issues in the past. That does not make a MAC better. It only makes the MAC OS better for YOU because you are too computer illiterate and lazy to configure a good install on a PC. Lets say it's windows that is the hinderance. In many ways it is, due to the applications that are built for the thing being coded poorly and relying on OLD MS technology from operating systems way back.. so blame the developpers and the user for instability. Ok, so that doesn't help anyone to know that fact, it's still an issue for some to keep a windows OS running smooth. All the windows OS glitches have workarounds. Seek them out.

Or go to Linux. I've ran a few 'nix boxes, I didnt really care too muhc for the interfaces. So I went back to windows and customized and streamlines my os.

the mac os is based off unix. So what's making the MAC better than the PC? Nothing but status.

People who insult people in saying they "can't afford a mac" being the only reason they are against MACS is like saying that people don't buy $250 bottled water because they cant afford it. it's just stupid, can get the same performance out of something much much much cheaper if you just get that dreamer logic out of your heads....

Which explains your current sig :winkwink:

Once I tried to have wintel box, my dog desagreeded
http://futureisbeta.free.fr/peedog.jpg

Did you get married yet?

no but we had sex, don't tell dad

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Its funny because I was involved in a discussion something along these lines on another board last week because I posted that funny anti-Mac photochop of the PC guy pulling a gun on the Mac guy from those mindless Mac commercials.

Ultimately it comes down to what works for the user and gets the job done quickly and best for them. I've owned both and used both over the years and I prefer PC.

I would buy a Mac again just as much as I would buy a PC. But the dick measuring contest about which one is better is laughable. Better is based on what you're using it for.

macs are for pedos

Funny timing of this article today. :1orglaugh

LAS VEGAS?Wi-Fi-enabled computers are sitting ducks for code execution attacks because of gaping flaws in wireless drivers shipped on both Mac and Windows systems, security researchers warned at the Black Hat Briefings security conference here.

A pair of hackers?David Maynor and Jon Ellch?demonstrated such a break-in on an Apple MacBook laptop fitted with a wireless card that was broadcasting its presence to another computer set up as an access point.

During the demonstration, the researchers were able to take complete control of the MacBook via a specific vulnerability in the device driver code that sits between the operating system and the wireless card.

Maynor and Ellch did not release details or exploit code for the flaw, which affects a wide range of Wi-Fi card manufacturers. The researchers have notified the affected companies and are working closely to identify the vulnerable code.

"This is not a big problem today. But, it should be something to take seriously now before it becomes a big, big problem a year or two from now," said Maynor, who works as a senior researcher at Atlanta-based SecureWorks.

"The OS vendors have been hardening the operating system a lot, so now attackers have two choices. They can go up to the application level, or they can go lower to the device driver level," Maynor said, warning that Wi-Fi drivers present an easy-to-exploit target.

"You've got to keep in mind that [malicious] people with an unlimited amount of time can spend a lot of time looking at these things," he added.

Ellch, a well-known security expert who uses the hacker moniker "Johnny Cache," made it clear that the issue is not specific to Apple's Mac computers. "This isn't an Apple problem or a Microsoft problem. This is something that's problematic across the industry," he said.

Microsoft plans to showcase Vista as its "most secure operating system ever" at Black Hat. Click here to read more.

However, Maynor said the MacBook was used in the demo as a retort to the latest Apple commercials. "We don't want to bash Mac. I'm a big fan of Mac. But those commercials are just [annoying]," he said.

Ellch, a creator of wireless hacking tools, also used the Black Hat stage to discuss design flaws in the 802.11 link-layer wireless protocol. He described 802.11 as an "overly complicated" protocol that has not been implemented securely by many vendors.

He also showcased a new Wi-Fi fingerprinting technique that can be used by attackers to spy on target systems.

The presentation comes just days after chip giant Intel released a trio of security patches for critical vulnerabilities affecting its Centrino product line.

Maynor said the Intel patches, which cover code execution holes in Centrino drivers and Intel Pro/Wireless network connections, were not related to the Black Hat speech. "It's pretty interesting, the timing of the [Intel] patches, but it's not something that we were responsible for," he said.

Intel said in an alert that the most serious flaw in the Centrino wireless driver line can be exploited to launch remote code execution attacks. "[These flaws] could potentially be exploited by attackers within range of the Wi-Fi station to execute arbitrary code on the target system with kernel-level privileges. These flaws are due to a memory corruption while parsing certain frames," Intel said.

The bugs could also lead to information disclosure and privilege escalation attacks.

Funny thing about that though is they had to use a 3rd party external network card to get this to work.. if you have a macbook and are using the internal airport card, you are fine. This vulnerability actually spans all OS's (except FreeBSD, and OpenBSD *i think*).. Mac, Windows, Linux.

Anyways, on the topic.. For laptops, I go with Mac... for Desktops I build my own and install Linux. The mac/pc debate for me has never been about the hardware really.. I love the fact I have a fully functional BSD OS, with a Bash Promt, w/ one of the slickest user interfaces on top of all that. When I want to be lazy I can point and click.. and when I need to do important stuff, I have all the tools I need already.

My peeve with Windows has always been the fact that you dont get a functional computer out of the box... You dont even have the software thats necassary to keep the system functional for an extended period of time. You cant even call it a working machine unless you spend hundreds of dollars on extra software (or tons of time hunting down pirated copies and serial numbers). Mac is much better in that regard and most linux distros are even better. Most Linux distros come with just about every peice of software you will need, right out of the box...

anyhow.. :2 cents:

I wake up in the morning, I run over to my new G5 I jerk off over it and then it licks me clean. We are in love and I plan on popping the question soon..

my commodore 64 is un hackable

That is extremely funny

Mitch

I have been using both Mac and PC for many eyars and I think this pic sums up better than words how I feel.


http://brassknuckletherapymusic.com/macpc.jpg

Care to put your money were your mouth is? :)

I got a $1200 a64 system and $100 says it will smoke your $8,000 G5 in benchmark tests :winkwink:
http://www.cinebench.com Is a good cross platform bench tool. Or fill free to name other tests. :)
Our if you prefer we can make it a sig bet.


And as far as security, well.......
http://software.silicon.com/os/0,390...9157023,00.htm

They arn't "more" secure. The thing is, nobody uses them so noone programs virus's or tries to find holes for them. If they ever became mainstream people would hack them just like they hack windows.

IIRC, that wasn't the whole story, was it? Something to do with a file or folder being created by the person who had access to the mac, or something to that nature?

Not sure. Just something I remember off the top of my head.

Thanks for repeating what I said.

By the sounds of it, you are experienced at pissing yourself.

Next time live up to your above statement and piss on your mac. At the end of the day, you'll be better off. And, when you have to purchase a pc to replace your Mac dinosaur that runs faster and more efficiently at a quarter of the price, you will think that maybe I should have fully read and understood all the GFY threads from people who have a job, real world experience running computer based operations and who don't dislike Macs...just the fuckheads who don't want to realise they have spent all this money for antiquated equipment.

Lyn

PS...I can understand you guys never having to upgrade the antiquated Macs. Development is soooooooooooooooo slow, there is nothing new to upgrade too. Or is it because you have spent your mummies last cent, that you can't afford to upgrade. Isn't it nice to have a high powered job and make real money. LS

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Windows, because anyone can look into your computer.