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Old 07-17-2006, 11:59 AM   #1
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Interesting Facts Bout The Middle East.

"INTERESTING MIDDLE EAST FACTS"


ISRAEL AND JERUSALEM FACTS

1. ISRAEL BECAME A STATE IN 1312 B.C., TWO MILLENNIA BEFORE ISLAM;

2. ARAB REFUGEES FROM ISRAEL BEGAN CALLING THEMSELVES "PALESTINIANS" IN 1967, TWO DECADES AFTER (MODERN) ISRAELI STATEHOOD;

3. AFTER CONQUERING THE LAND IN 1272 B.C., JEWS RULED IT FOR A THOUSAND YEARS AND MAINTAINED A CONTINUOUS PRESENCE THERE FOR 3,300 YEARS;

4. THE ONLY ARAB RULE FOLLOWING CONQUEST IN 633 B.C. LASTED JUST 22 YEARS;

5. FOR OVER 3,300 YEARS, JERUSALEM WAS THE JEWISH CAPITAL. IT WAS NEVER THE CAPITAL OF ANY ARAB OR MUSLIM ENTITY. EVEN UNDER JORDANIAN RULE, (EAST) JERUSALEM WAS NOT MADE THE CAPITAL, AND NO ARAB LEADER CAME TO VISIT IT;

6. JERUSALEM IS MENTIONED OVER 700 TIMES IN THE BIBLE, BUT NOT ONCE IS IT MENTIONED IN THE QUR'AN;

7. KING DAVID FOUNDED JERUSALEM; MOHAMMED NEVER SET FOOT IN IT;

8. JEWS PRAY FACING JERUSALEM; MUSLIMS FACE MECCA. IF THEY ARE BETWEEN THE TWO CITIES, MUSLIMS PRAY FACING MECCA, WITH THEIR BACKS TO JERUSALEM;

9. IN 1948, ARAB LEADERS URGED THEIR PEOPLE TO LEAVE, PROMISING TO CLEANSE THE LAND OF JEWISH PRESENCE. 68% OF THEM FLED WITHOUT EVER SETTING EYES ON AN ISRAELI SOLDIER;

10. VIRTUALLY THE ENTIRE JEWISH POPULATION OF MUSLIM COUNTRIES HAD TO FLEE AS THE RESULT OF VIOLENCE AND POGROMS;

11. SOME 630,000 ARABS LEFT ISRAEL IN 1948, WHILE CLOSE TO A MILLION JEWS WERE FORCED TO LEAVE THE MUSLIM COUNTRIES;

12. IN SPITE OF THE VAST TERRITORIES AT THEIR DISPOSAL, ARAB REFUGESS WERE DELIBERATELY PREVENTED FROM ASSIMILATING INTO THEIR HOST COUNTRIES. OF 100 MILLION REFUGEES FOLLOWING WORLD WAR 2, THEY ARE THE ONLY GROUP TO HAVE NEVER INTEGRATED WITH THEIR CORELIGIONISTS. MOST OF THE JEWISH REFUGEES FROM EUROPE AND ARAB LANDS WERE SETTLED IN ISRAEL, A COUNTRY NO LARGER THAN NEW JERSEY;

13. THERE ARE 22 MUSLIM COUNTRIES, NOT COUNTING PALESTINE. THERE IS ONLY ONE JEWISH STATE. ARABS STARTED ALL FIVE WARS AGAINST ISRAEL, AND LOST EVERY ONE OF THEM;

14. FATAH AND HAMAS CONSTITUTIONS STILL CALL FOR THE DESTRUCTION OF ISRAEL. ISRAEL CEDED MOST OF THE WEST BANK AND ALL OF GAZA TO THE PALESTINIAN AUTHORITY, AND EVEN PROVIDED IT WITH ARMS;

15. DURING THE JORDANIAN OCCUPATION, JEWISH HOLY SITES WERE VANDALIZED AND WERE OFF LIMITS TO JEWS. UNDER ISRAELI RULE, ALL MUSLIM AND CHRISTIAN HOLY SITES ARE ACCESSIBLE TO ALL FAITHS;

16. OUT OF 175 UNITED NATIONS SECURITY COUNCIL RESOLUTIONS UP TO 1990, 97 WERE AGAINST ISRAEL; OUT OF 690 GENERAL ASSEMBLY RESOLUTIONS, 429 WERE AGAINST ISRAEL;

18. THE U.N. WAS SILENT WHEN THE JORDANIANS DESTROYED 58 SYNAGOGUES IN THE OLD CITY OF JERUSALEM. IT REMAINED SILENT WHILE JORDAN SYSTEMATICALLY DESECRATED THE ANCIENT JEWISH CEMETERY ON THE MOUNT OF OLIVES, AND IT REMAINED SILENT WHEN JORDAN ENFORCED APARTHEID LAWS PREVENTING JEWS FROM ACCESSING THE TEMPLE MOUNT AND WESTERN WALL.
THESE ARE TRYING TIMES. WE MUST ASK OURSELVES WHAT WE SHOULD BE DOING, AND WHAT WE WILL TELL OUR GRANDCHILDREN ABOUT OUR ACTIONS DURING THIS CRISIS, WHEN WE HAD THE CHANCE TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE.

START NOW! SEND THIS MESSAGE TO 20 FRIENDS, AND ASK EACH OF THEM TO SEND IT TO 20 MORE. JEWISH OR NOT, IT DOES NOT MATTER.
TRUTH AND PEACE ARE VALUES COMMON TO ALL OF US. EVERYONE MUST KNOW!
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Additionally:
For what it is worth.

The Global Population is around 6,600,000,000
The breakdown of religions is roughly as follows:
Christianity 33%
Islam 21%
Non Religeous 16%
Hinduism 14%
Primal-indiginous 6%
Chinese Traditional 6%
Buddhhism 6%
Sikhism 0.36%
Judaism 0.22%

Today there are approximately 14,000,000 Jews globally.
This is after the Holcaust when about 6,000,000 were killed.
After a UN Resolution 58 years ago, the nation of Israel was established and now has a population of around 6,000,000 Jews. They also have a population of Arabs who prosper there better than they do in neighbouring countries. That is a problem for the neighbours.

Of necessity, Israel has a strong military organization with one of the worlds best trained and equipped air forces. It should be noted that their air force is comprised of mostly defensive aircraft. Also, it should be noted that the Israeli Military Industries received its greatest impedus to growth after France reneged on the deliivery of paid for Mystere aircraft. Israel has under contract with the US Dept of Defense developed and co developed several very important Missile Defense Systems, one of the latest being a "sensing shield" to protect armored vehicles, troop carriers, and tanks. It has been proven and approved by the US Dept of Defense and as I understand, is being deployed to protect our troops. They also advanced the technology on the computer software for the Patriot Missile Defence System, and the Theatre High Altitutude Defense (THAD) System. Israel has consistently been the United States closest ally in that part of the world.
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Old 07-17-2006, 12:02 PM   #2
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If I don't foward this to ten of my friends will my foreskin grow back?
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Old 07-17-2006, 12:04 PM   #3
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If I don't foward this to ten of my friends will my foreskin grow back?
LOL....It was too late for me buddie... save urself.
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Old 07-17-2006, 12:08 PM   #4
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Old 07-17-2006, 12:11 PM   #5
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Old 07-17-2006, 12:15 PM   #6
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Old 07-17-2006, 12:23 PM   #7
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"INTERESTING MIDDLE EAST FACTS"
2. ARAB REFUGEES FROM ISRAEL BEGAN CALLING THEMSELVES "PALESTINIANS" IN 1967, TWO DECADES AFTER (MODERN) ISRAELI STATEHOOD;
Bullshit.

Can't take the rest of them seriously with this one being a blatant lie.
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Old 07-17-2006, 12:25 PM   #8
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damn felt like i just went through history class, great facts!
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Old 07-17-2006, 12:26 PM   #9
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If anyone is looking for an example of "spin", this is a damn good one.
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Old 07-17-2006, 12:33 PM   #10
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Bullshit.

Can't take the rest of them seriously with this one being a blatant lie.

And the correct answer is ....... ?
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Old 07-17-2006, 12:34 PM   #11
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Why did they kill Jesus? Where is the holy grail? Why are people always so pissed off? Who is the Holy Ghost?
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Old 07-17-2006, 12:36 PM   #12
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Bullshit.

Can't take the rest of them seriously with this one being a blatant lie.
Wait... why is that bullshit? It doesnt say that Arabs started calling themselves Palestinians after 1967... Its says that Arab refugees did.
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Old 07-17-2006, 12:43 PM   #13
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Old 07-17-2006, 12:55 PM   #14
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If anyone is looking for an example of "spin", this is a damn good one.
These are concrete facts man.
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Old 07-17-2006, 01:28 PM   #15
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oh well... i thought ppl would continue this thread but i guess not... one last bump
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Palestinians were there before 1967. The place was called Palestine before 1948. Therefore anybody living there would be a Palestinian.

Go read a history book....
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Old 07-17-2006, 01:37 PM   #17
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1. ISRAEL BECAME A STATE IN 1312 B.C., TWO MILLENNIA BEFORE ISLAM;

err, 1312?! more like 1948...
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Old 07-17-2006, 01:41 PM   #18
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i have man... that is exactly why it says that arab refugees from israel didnt consider themselves palestinians until 1967... meaning palestinians did already exist... the refugees just didnt consider themselves to be until that time.
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A lot of those "facts" are open to interpretation. Check out any unbiased history book and check out things like the Balfour declaration......I'm not saying it's all false, but the area is full of "facts" of both side and their both bloody. Neither side is cut and dry like these "Facts" insinuate.
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Old 07-17-2006, 01:48 PM   #20
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err, 1312?! more like 1948...
Well... israel was declared as a state by the UN in 1948, recognizing it as a state.

But, and this is a quote from wikipedia, a very trustful source, "For over 3,000 years, Jews have regarded the Land of Israel as their homeland, both as a Holy Land and as a Promised land"

Israel was occupied by jewish kingdoms and states for more than a millenium starting at around 1200 BC. Than they got fucked over by other rulers.
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These are concrete facts man.
Ok... obviously you don't know what spin is.
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err, 1312?! more like 1948...
from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel#History

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The earliest known mention of the name 'Israel', probably referring to a group of people rather than to a place, is the Egyptian Merneptah Stele dated to about 1211 BCE. [4] For over 3,000 years, Jews have regarded the Land of Israel as their homeland, both as a Holy Land and as a Promised land. The land of Israel holds a special place in Jewish religious obligations, encompassing Judaism's most important sites ? including the remains of the First and Second Temples, as well as the rites concerning those temples. [5] Starting around 1200 BCE, a series of Jewish kingdoms and states existed intermittently in the region for more than a millennium.
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Well... israel was declared as a state by the UN in 1948, recognizing it as a state.

But, and this is a quote from wikipedia, a very trustful source, "For over 3,000 years, Jews have regarded the Land of Israel as their homeland, both as a Holy Land and as a Promised land"

Israel was occupied by jewish kingdoms and states for more than a millenium starting at around 1200 BC. Than they got fucked over by other rulers.
So....if I lived in a house 5000 years ago, left, then came back I can kick out whomever is living their now and say "this is my house, I was here first?"

Again....there are multiple sides to this conflict and it isn't cut and dry....
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Ok... obviously you don't know what spin is.
I thought u ment spin as in "spin off"... right?
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So....if I lived in a house 5000 years ago, left, then came back I can kick out whomever is living their now and say "this is my house, I was here first?"

Again....there are multiple sides to this conflict and it isn't cut and dry....
Well, I dont think that's a justifiable analogy, because one person living in a house and coming back is way different than a whole culture and an established state/kingdom.

Not that Im justifying anything by saying this... but just to show the mentality of the situation.
America took the land from the Indians, plain and simple. Of course America gave them special privileges and what not. But do u see any Indian suicide bomber?
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i have man... that is exactly why it says that arab refugees from israel didnt consider themselves palestinians until 1967... meaning palestinians did already exist... the refugees just didnt consider themselves to be until that time.
Well you obviously have an agenda and believe your own propaganda. But nonetheless I will humour you and ask you how you could poissibly know what people living there before 1967 considered themselves to be? If they lived in Palestine they would consider themselves to be Palestinian. You seem to think that they thought they were something else, so what did they think they were?
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Not all palestinians are refugees... and not all palestinians are of the islamic religion. Believe it or not there are Palestinian jews.
I was referring to the refugees who left israel. That specific group. Im not following my own agenda, although I admit Im pro Israel. But im trying not to rant on about how they should die.
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I have read very similar facts to these in a historical encyclopedia... You also forget the assassination of the Egyptian President Sadat who had been killed BY ARABS (his own people) for "standing in the way an Islamic state and for being the first Arab leader to sign a peace treaty with Israel, in 1979."

He was assassinated by Muslim extremists, who were opposed to his peace initiative with Israel. Now instead of being at peace, avoid a war, other attacks and also get more of their so-called territory, they prefer killing their own political figure. Stop me if im wrong, but this doesnt sounds right to me.

Then again, politics are complex. I base myself on historical written facts. There's always seem to be another side to the medal no matter what...

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