Etelegate takes a page out of the iBill play book - GoFuckYourself.com

Slipstream · 07-12-2006, 11:51 AM

I started with etelegate for tangibles processing several months before they took over processing iBill accounts. It seems that they had just lost their merchant account and had acquired a new one for the iBill take over.... I have yet to see a single cent of the $4660 they have owed me since April. I am attaching the email I received from them. If you can believe it, they are trying to get me to come back and continue even though they never paid me anything.

On top of that, I received another email from them, it appears they integrated one of my old iBill accounts and started billing cancelled customers again. Approx $1300 worth before I got a chance to go and cancel everyone. With this kind of practices it won't be long before they loose this merchant account too. Anyone who is actually processing with them right now needs their head examined.

Run for the hills folks.. the writing is on the wall.

[From Etelegate.com]

Hello,

I have been given your contact details by my assistant. I understand
that you processed originally through a bank that has not paid us and
now our reliable bank which I trust everything is fine with this bank
and you are getting paid twice each month now. We are working to
resolve your past money owed to you and will let you know when the funds have been released. In the meantime your account is live and running and your payments should be like clockwork payed two times each month.

Please feel free to contact me if you have any further questions and
know that we are trying to resolve the past pay issues with the old bank
as soon as possible.

Thanks,

Scott Price

scardog · 07-12-2006, 11:55 AM

You will not get much pity here if you use etelegate or Ibill and lose money. In fact most will laugh and point at you. Many of us know how you feel though.

TheLegacy · 07-12-2006, 11:57 AM

sorry. no pity here - we all have been warning webmasters and newbie's about Etelegate and IBill for a long long time. Good luck with whatever happens

Slipstream · 07-12-2006, 11:57 AM

And so they should...

Sadly though, I started with etelegate well before there ever was an iBill connection.

Slipstream · 07-12-2006, 12:00 PM

Guys READ THE FUKIN POST... I started BEFORE they were connected with iBill.

The interesting thing here is that they had ALREADY LOST their banking relationship... Then bang.. all of the suddent they are processing iBill's crap? That makes the already fucked up story even that more fishy..

scardog · 07-12-2006, 12:31 PM

This begs the question "why would you go with etelegate, when CCbill and Paycom are the gold standard of ISPSs?"

Manowar · 07-12-2006, 12:34 PM

yeah tons of warnings about them

gooddomains · 07-12-2006, 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scardog

This begs the question "why would you go with etelegate, when CCbill and Paycom are the gold standard of ISPSs?"

may be you should really read the posts then you know why ccbill or paycom is no option......

directfiesta · 07-12-2006, 12:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scardog

This begs the question "why would you go with etelegate, when CCbill and Paycom are the gold standard of ISPSs?"

if you understood or read his post, he said:

TANGIBLE GOODS

CCbill and Paycom don't do that ... neither Verotel ( used to with Verza ) ...

scardog · 07-12-2006, 01:22 PM

You are correct, and I was wrong. However, when a post is that long, I admit, I skim it.

Sorry, but Etelegate went into business with Ibill. Expectation would be you are not going to get paid. Like I said, many of us know how you feel. Let's hope you will never bill with them again.

I had never heard of Etelegate until they hooked up with Ibill. I thought it was a fake company set up for further shenanigans. Who is a reputable tangible processor?

David - PG · 07-12-2006, 02:28 PM

If you do tangible then it's a lot easier to secure your own merchant account. Do a search on the board. Often times the minimums and due diligence for tangible accounts are a lot lower than for higher risk accounts.

Slipstream · 07-17-2006, 11:28 AM

Not for a Canadian company... It is practically impossible for us to get a merchant account for anything adult...

Scardog: etelegate was in operation on its own long before they ever partnered with iBill. They were advertising on YNOT.

I would hardly consider PAYCOMM a gold standard.... infact after being in the business for 8 years now, personally going thru the collapse of atleast 4 billing companies I wouldn't consider anything gold standard. It is a marginalized business, and as a result it is and always will be volatile.

The point of my post was not to piss and moan about a measly $5000 (its about 1/10th of what iBill still owes me)

The question I was trying to bring to light was how a billing company - after having lost its own merchant account - is even able to take on processing iBill transactions..

samo · 07-17-2006, 02:02 PM

Slipstream, I understand your postion totaly. I for one have lost tons of money with IBILL, and later with Etelegate. IM now working with the goverment to get those bastards in jail. Beleive me, the wheel of justice has been turning for a while now. Each night I dream they are locked up and getting it up the ass by other cons. Soon it wont be a dream anymore.

yngone · 07-18-2006, 10:55 PM

it is my under standing that ibill was going to loose MC in like 9 days so they scrambled to make a deal with another processor in order to save there rev stream. I have been told that that the entire ibill data base would be tranfered to Etelegate ( Which is totaly illeagal) and Etelegate would give them a 50% cut of every thing processed and ,check this out, Etelegate would intern allow ibill to keep all current and future end user info inorder to continue to spam them to drive traffic to ther two sites : gspotnews.com and gamingspotnews.com.
in the end , after getting the intire data base migrated over, Etelegate told ibill to screw and wouldnt even return an e-mail let alon a phone call.Etelegate basiclly robed ibill for every thing. Now ibill has suckered in some investors , grabed some more money and is now trying to push unknowing web masters into somthing called Grid with this new product called CARD STREAM. you all need to beware of this new sceam of theres as i am sure it will be the same old bull shit of late or no pay outs and hard working , unsuspecting web masters being taken advantage of. my only advice is to diversify you risk by using more then on processor and make sure you do your due diligence and reseach who is holding your hard earned money. dontt let any more of these fucking scum bags take any more of your hard earned money. pesonaly i like MY VIRTUAL CARD , best support on the planet , ask for Brian Liqonick (i may not have speeled his name correctly) but as a rep he is the greatest. Good luck all , and please stay sharp so these assholes dont hurt you again.

dcortez · 07-18-2006, 11:10 PM

Etelegate seems to be the latest closet invented/secured by iBill to shed their last batch of debts to webmasters.

I have yet to see a single penny of reserves held by iBill for their (new twice improved, safe, theft-from-ibill-proof) gKard sales - they have virtually abandoned webmasters to whom they owe reserves (recent - not from years back) by putting all their focus (spin) on Etelegate and dropping them from their lists.

The amazing thing is that, as far as I understand, noone has yet been criminally prosecuted in relation to iBill's fraudulent vapour trail.

It's one thing for webmasters to know that iBill/Etelescam/and any new variation they choose to hide behind next are almost guaranteed to burn webmasters' revenues, but did the hurricanes wipe out the fraud squads in that part of the country?

Even the FBI should have stepped up to the plate by now because the aggregate stakes are in excess of their minimum cover charge ($10-20K) to warrant a federal investigation.

Does anyone know of any iBill related criminal investigations, charges to date?

John69 · 07-19-2006, 12:33 AM

http://www.ibillowes.com/forums/index.php

pornprowler · 07-20-2006, 12:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yngone

it is my under standing that ibill was going to loose MC in like 9 days so they scrambled to make a deal with another processor in order to save there rev stream. I have been told that that the entire ibill data base would be tranfered to Etelegate ( Which is totaly illeagal) and Etelegate would give them a 50% cut of every thing processed and ,check this out, Etelegate would intern allow ibill to keep all current and future end user info inorder to continue to spam them to drive traffic to ther two sites : gspotnews.com and gamingspotnews.com.
in the end , after getting the intire data base migrated over, Etelegate told ibill to screw and wouldnt even return an e-mail let alon a phone call.Etelegate basiclly robed ibill for every thing. Now ibill has suckered in some investors , grabed some more money and is now trying to push unknowing web masters into somthing called Grid with this new product called CARD STREAM. you all need to beware of this new sceam of theres as i am sure it will be the same old bull shit of late or no pay outs and hard working , unsuspecting web masters being taken advantage of. my only advice is to diversify you risk by using more then on processor and make sure you do your due diligence and reseach who is holding your hard earned money. dontt let any more of these fucking scum bags take any more of your hard earned money. pesonaly i like MY VIRTUAL CARD , best support on the planet , ask for Brian Liqonick (i may not have speeled his name correctly) but as a rep he is the greatest. Good luck all , and please stay sharp so these assholes dont hurt you again.

Just how do u know this? Who is "grid" and how do u know this?

pornprowler · 07-20-2006, 02:22 PM

yngone,
you are fast to point fingers at ibill or grid or whatever they are called nowadays. Then you give props/cudos to Myvirtualcard. Not the first time you've done this. You either work for Myvirtual card or you are a reseller. But if Myvirtualcard is so great as you claim, then why don't you explain to me why they had to change their name to Paymonde? And using a bank in the Phillippines no less. Dude, when your processor has to go with an acquiring bank in a 3rd world country it's because there are no other options and the ship is sinking. Perhaps you are correct as bout IBILL or Grid or whatever they are called today. But trying giving props to a processor that may not be as questionnable but certainly under the VISA radar (MVC) makes you just as stupid as someone telling us to go with etelegate. Im' not trying to take attention away from what may be actual fact. But brotha, get your facts str8. Just my

directfiesta · 07-20-2006, 02:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pornprowler

yngone,
you are fast to point fingers at ibill or grid or whatever they are called nowadays. Then you give props/cudos to Myvirtualcard. Not the first time you've done this. You either work for Myvirtual card or you are a reseller. But if Myvirtualcard is so great as you claim, then why don't you explain to me why they had to change their name to Paymonde? And using a bank in the Phillippines no less. Dude, when your processor has to go with an acquiring bank in a 3rd world country it's because there are no other options and the ship is sinking. Perhaps you are correct as bout IBILL or Grid or whatever they are called today. But trying giving props to a processor that may not be as questionnable but certainly under the VISA radar (MVC) makes you just as stupid as someone telling us to go with etelegate. Im' not trying to take attention away from what may be actual fact. But brotha, get your facts str8. Just my

I just pulled out of your ass ....

On your knees to suck the shit of it, scumbag...

Ibill, Etelgate are CROOKS

End of discussion

pornprowler · 07-20-2006, 03:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by directfiesta

I just pulled out of your ass ....

On your knees to suck the shit of it, scumbag...

Ibill, Etelgate are CROOKS

End of discussion

HEY ASSHOLE,

DON'T U READ WHAT IM SAYING OR R U JUST ANOTHER STUPID ASS DUMB FUCK THAT DOESNT WORK AND LIVES WITH MOM WITH NOTHING BETTER TO DO EXCEPT SIT BEHIND YOUR COMPUTER AND POST DERRAGATORY COMMENTS ABOUT EVERYONE AND ANYONE. I AM NOT CONDONING IN ANY WAY WHAT THEY HAVE DONE. I AM MERELY STATING FACT. WATCH YOUR FUCKING MOUTH OR I WILL GO TO CANADA AND FIND YOU AND BEAT YOUR FUCKING ASS AND FUCK YOUR GIRLFRIEND AND YOUR MOM AT THE SAME TIME. THEN PUT U ON YOUR KNEES AND MAKE U SUCK MY BIG MUTHA FUCKIN COCK. OR MAYBE I'LL JUST LOOK FOR YOU AT INTERNEXT. CHOOSE YOUR WORDS WISELY YOU PUNK ASS BITCH...

directfiesta · 07-20-2006, 09:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pornprowler

HEY ASSHOLE,

DON'T U READ WHAT IM SAYING OR R U JUST ANOTHER STUPID ASS DUMB FUCK THAT DOESNT WORK AND LIVES WITH MOM WITH NOTHING BETTER TO DO EXCEPT SIT BEHIND YOUR COMPUTER AND POST DERRAGATORY COMMENTS ABOUT EVERYONE AND ANYONE. I AM NOT CONDONING IN ANY WAY WHAT THEY HAVE DONE. I AM MERELY STATING FACT. WATCH YOUR FUCKING MOUTH OR I WILL GO TO CANADA AND FIND YOU AND BEAT YOUR FUCKING ASS AND FUCK YOUR GIRLFRIEND AND YOUR MOM AT THE SAME TIME. THEN PUT U ON YOUR KNEES AND MAKE U SUCK MY BIG MUTHA FUCKIN COCK. OR MAYBE I'LL JUST LOOK FOR YOU AT INTERNEXT. CHOOSE YOUR WORDS WISELY YOU PUNK ASS BITCH...

You are an idiot ...

I repeat:

You are an idiot ... and a nobody ...

and with not on ounce of originality ...

yngone · 07-20-2006, 10:01 PM

ok, pornprowler how about ccbill ? I cant find a single thread that says MVC hasn't paid some one. But how about any other 3pp that pays on time or pays at all?????
Sorry to rain on your parade. Quick question , do you own any of the companys in question ? besides MVC of course. And you must be a real good fighter to talk the way you do so come by the MVC booth in miami , if your mother lets you go of course . Not that ill be there of course , i would just find it funny if you went by the booth. Try ccbill they pay too. Either way sorry for getting you a death threat direct fiesta . Usually some one that talks like the Prowler is so upset with life over his small dick or no tits.Its sad because i hear they have ways to fix that these days . Mrs.Prowler see a doctor soon , please.Before you hurt yourself or get cought near a school yard.

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07-12-2006, 11:51 AM	#1
Slipstream Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 5	Etelegate takes a page out of the iBill play book I started with etelegate for tangibles processing several months before they took over processing iBill accounts. It seems that they had just lost their merchant account and had acquired a new one for the iBill take over.... I have yet to see a single cent of the $4660 they have owed me since April. I am attaching the email I received from them. If you can believe it, they are trying to get me to come back and continue even though they never paid me anything. On top of that, I received another email from them, it appears they integrated one of my old iBill accounts and started billing cancelled customers again. Approx $1300 worth before I got a chance to go and cancel everyone. With this kind of practices it won't be long before they loose this merchant account too. Anyone who is actually processing with them right now needs their head examined. Run for the hills folks.. the writing is on the wall. [From Etelegate.com] Hello, I have been given your contact details by my assistant. I understand that you processed originally through a bank that has not paid us and now our reliable bank which I trust everything is fine with this bank and you are getting paid twice each month now. We are working to resolve your past money owed to you and will let you know when the funds have been released. In the meantime your account is live and running and your payments should be like clockwork payed two times each month. Please feel free to contact me if you have any further questions and know that we are trying to resolve the past pay issues with the old bank as soon as possible. Thanks, Scott Price

07-12-2006, 11:57 AM	#3
TheLegacy SEO Connoisseur Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Brantford, Ontario Posts: 17,259	sorry. no pity here - we all have been warning webmasters and newbie's about Etelegate and IBill for a long long time. Good luck with whatever happens __________________ SEO Connoisseur Microsoft Teams: Robert Warren SEO Telegram: @TheLegacy54 RobertWarrenSEO.com

07-12-2006, 01:22 PM	#10
scardog Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 886	You are correct, and I was wrong. However, when a post is that long, I admit, I skim it. Sorry, but Etelegate went into business with Ibill. Expectation would be you are not going to get paid. Like I said, many of us know how you feel. Let's hope you will never bill with them again. I had never heard of Etelegate until they hooked up with Ibill. I thought it was a fake company set up for further shenanigans. Who is a reputable tangible processor? Last edited by scardog; 07-12-2006 at 01:23 PM..

07-12-2006, 02:28 PM	#11
David - PG Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 767	If you do tangible then it's a lot easier to secure your own merchant account. Do a search on the board. Often times the minimums and due diligence for tangible accounts are a lot lower than for higher risk accounts. __________________ perfectgonzo.com

07-17-2006, 02:02 PM	#13
samo Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 179	Slipstream, I understand your postion totaly. I for one have lost tons of money with IBILL, and later with Etelegate. IM now working with the goverment to get those bastards in jail. Beleive me, the wheel of justice has been turning for a while now. Each night I dream they are locked up and getting it up the ass by other cons. Soon it wont be a dream anymore. Last edited by samo; 07-17-2006 at 02:03 PM.. Reason: spelling error

07-12-2006, 11:55 AM	#2
scardog Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 886	You will not get much pity here if you use etelegate or Ibill and lose money. In fact most will laugh and point at you. Many of us know how you feel though.

07-12-2006, 12:00 PM	#5
Slipstream Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 5	Guys READ THE FUKIN POST... I started BEFORE they were connected with iBill. The interesting thing here is that they had ALREADY LOST their banking relationship... Then bang.. all of the suddent they are processing iBill's crap? That makes the already fucked up story even that more fishy..

07-12-2006, 12:31 PM	#6
scardog Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 886	This begs the question "why would you go with etelegate, when CCbill and Paycom are the gold standard of ISPSs?"

07-12-2006, 12:34 PM	#7
Manowar jellyfish Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 71,528	yeah tons of warnings about them

07-17-2006, 11:28 AM	#12
Slipstream Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 5	Not for a Canadian company... It is practically impossible for us to get a merchant account for anything adult... Scardog: etelegate was in operation on its own long before they ever partnered with iBill. They were advertising on YNOT. I would hardly consider PAYCOMM a gold standard.... infact after being in the business for 8 years now, personally going thru the collapse of atleast 4 billing companies I wouldn't consider anything gold standard. It is a marginalized business, and as a result it is and always will be volatile. The point of my post was not to piss and moan about a measly $5000 (its about 1/10th of what iBill still owes me) The question I was trying to bring to light was how a billing company - after having lost its own merchant account - is even able to take on processing iBill transactions..

07-18-2006, 10:55 PM	#14
yngone Registered User Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Check out my signiture for some good stuff Posts: 32	it is my under standing that ibill was going to loose MC in like 9 days so they scrambled to make a deal with another processor in order to save there rev stream. I have been told that that the entire ibill data base would be tranfered to Etelegate ( Which is totaly illeagal) and Etelegate would give them a 50% cut of every thing processed and ,check this out, Etelegate would intern allow ibill to keep all current and future end user info inorder to continue to spam them to drive traffic to ther two sites : gspotnews.com and gamingspotnews.com. in the end , after getting the intire data base migrated over, Etelegate told ibill to screw and wouldnt even return an e-mail let alon a phone call.Etelegate basiclly robed ibill for every thing. Now ibill has suckered in some investors , grabed some more money and is now trying to push unknowing web masters into somthing called Grid with this new product called CARD STREAM. you all need to beware of this new sceam of theres as i am sure it will be the same old bull shit of late or no pay outs and hard working , unsuspecting web masters being taken advantage of. my only advice is to diversify you risk by using more then on processor and make sure you do your due diligence and reseach who is holding your hard earned money. dontt let any more of these fucking scum bags take any more of your hard earned money. pesonaly i like MY VIRTUAL CARD , best support on the planet , ask for Brian Liqonick (i may not have speeled his name correctly) but as a rep he is the greatest. Good luck all , and please stay sharp so these assholes dont hurt you again.

07-18-2006, 11:10 PM	#15
dcortez DINO CORTEZ™ Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Vancouver Island Posts: 2,145	Etelegate seems to be the latest closet invented/secured by iBill to shed their last batch of debts to webmasters. I have yet to see a single penny of reserves held by iBill for their (new twice improved, safe, theft-from-ibill-proof) gKard sales - they have virtually abandoned webmasters to whom they owe reserves (recent - not from years back) by putting all their focus (spin) on Etelegate and dropping them from their lists. The amazing thing is that, as far as I understand, noone has yet been criminally prosecuted in relation to iBill's fraudulent vapour trail. It's one thing for webmasters to know that iBill/Etelescam/and any new variation they choose to hide behind next are almost guaranteed to burn webmasters' revenues, but did the hurricanes wipe out the fraud squads in that part of the country? Even the FBI should have stepped up to the plate by now because the aggregate stakes are in excess of their minimum cover charge ($10-20K) to warrant a federal investigation. Does anyone know of any iBill related criminal investigations, charges to date?

07-19-2006, 12:33 AM	#16
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07-20-2006, 02:22 PM	#18
pornprowler Registered User Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 21	yngone, you are fast to point fingers at ibill or grid or whatever they are called nowadays. Then you give props/cudos to Myvirtualcard. Not the first time you've done this. You either work for Myvirtual card or you are a reseller. But if Myvirtualcard is so great as you claim, then why don't you explain to me why they had to change their name to Paymonde? And using a bank in the Phillippines no less. Dude, when your processor has to go with an acquiring bank in a 3rd world country it's because there are no other options and the ship is sinking. Perhaps you are correct as bout IBILL or Grid or whatever they are called today. But trying giving props to a processor that may not be as questionnable but certainly under the VISA radar (MVC) makes you just as stupid as someone telling us to go with etelegate. Im' not trying to take attention away from what may be actual fact. But brotha, get your facts str8. Just my

07-20-2006, 10:01 PM	#22
yngone Registered User Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Check out my signiture for some good stuff Posts: 32	ok, pornprowler how about ccbill ? I cant find a single thread that says MVC hasn't paid some one. But how about any other 3pp that pays on time or pays at all????? Sorry to rain on your parade. Quick question , do you own any of the companys in question ? besides MVC of course. And you must be a real good fighter to talk the way you do so come by the MVC booth in miami , if your mother lets you go of course . Not that ill be there of course , i would just find it funny if you went by the booth. Try ccbill they pay too. Either way sorry for getting you a death threat direct fiesta . Usually some one that talks like the Prowler is so upset with life over his small dick or no tits.Its sad because i hear they have ways to fix that these days . Mrs.Prowler see a doctor soon , please.Before you hurt yourself or get cought near a school yard.

07-20-2006, 10:25 PM	#23
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