Potential Fix for AdWords Keyword Pricing - Page 2 - GoFuckYourself.com

woj · 07-17-2006, 02:45 AM

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Theo · 07-17-2006, 02:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Soul_Rebel

what's the purpose of cloaking a landing page here? Isn't it possible to deliver the same data to googlebot without having to alter the look of your initial page?

hello hello

darksoul · 07-17-2006, 02:49 AM

so what do you guarantee ?
I've already got my bids pretty low, what could I use your cloaking for ?

studiocritic · 07-17-2006, 02:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Soul_Rebel

what's the purpose of cloaking a landing page here? Isn't it possible to deliver the same data to googlebot without having to alter the look of your initial page?

google recently implemented some changes to the adwords program, which is their pay-per-click system (sorry, don't mean to act like you're ignorant.. i'll just explain this in lay terms so everyone can get it. don't want there to be any misunderstandings about what this does/doesn't do)

basically, when you make a new ad.. a landing page bot comes out and checks the "quality" of your landing page.

well, they evaluate it by the relevancy to your ad text, keywords, and regular SEO strengths.

which is very lame.. what if your landing page is just a big image splash? sucks for you, is basically google's response.

darksoul · 07-17-2006, 02:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Soul_Rebel

hello hello

ofcourse it is, but you got all this clueless dudes that
got their min bids bumped to $10 a click because of shitty landing
pages and I guess they rather do some cloaking instead of fixing
their landing pages.

joshll · 07-17-2006, 02:55 AM

refering to gatorB's sig;
i clicked it!!!
Just save the seal!!!
also, intresting thread.
Bump@ C'est Genial Thread

Theo · 07-17-2006, 04:11 AM

thanks studiocritic.

darksoul, got my point. In most cases it's better imho to play safe and just work on your initial landing page. I don't see why you won't achieve equally good results. We both know if google wants to see which advertisers cloak the landing pages they can do it within few minutes by adding an extra IP appearing as browser and compare results.

studiocritic · 07-17-2006, 04:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Soul_Rebel

thanks studiocritic.

darksoul, got my point. In most cases it's better imho to play safe and just work on your initial landing page. I don't see why you won't achieve equally good results. We both know if google wants to see which advertisers cloak the landing pages they can do it within few minutes by adding an extra IP appearing as browser and compare results.

soul rebel.. i cant/wont get into the details of how i detect google's bots and their employees, but suffice to say its proprietary and i've built it off a few years of data gathering.

i addressed way above in the 1st page why it wouldnt be realistic for them to figure it out even if they knew you were using it.

basically, they have no way of knowing what googlebot saw.. noarchive prevents googlebot from storing it, and the landing page bot discards its results anyway, only storing aggregate scoring data. (got this info from adwords team)

studiocritic · 07-17-2006, 04:19 AM

some people have tweaked their landing pages for the highest conversions possible, and that doesnt match what google's landing page bot wants to see.

there are threads upon threads of this over at tabke's mainstream forum beginning with a W.

like i said before, what if your landing page is heavily reliant on images.. or its flash?

studiocritic · 07-26-2006, 01:31 PM

bump for the interested people, go ahead and icq me now to get started

rayzor · 07-27-2006, 01:14 PM

what's so special about your cloaker? it isn't hard show a different page if the googlebot goes to crawl...

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