Why is it so hard to find a decent PHP programmer.... - GoFuckYourself.com

Degenerate · 07-11-2006, 02:48 AM

Located in the USA?

I have a tiny job to finish up something, and the only people that contact me are from Russia, Croatia, etc....

Disappointing.

Alky · 07-11-2006, 02:53 AM

because they make more doing shit on their own, instead of being devalued.

Degenerate · 07-11-2006, 02:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Alky

because they make more doing shit on their own, instead of being devalued.

That is most likely the case.

OG LennyT · 07-11-2006, 02:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alky

because they make more doing shit on their own, instead of being devalued.

true true

emthree · 07-11-2006, 02:58 AM

I dont know, I guess coding is a pasttime in some areas.

V_RocKs · 07-11-2006, 03:42 AM

I can code my own shit... I can break into just about any server... I can clean and stop break-ins...

I used to make a lot of money doing all three... I made more than my brother in law who went to school to be a database designer (databases need a designer?) and he is at the peak of his career...

Now that I stopped coding my own shit and have others do it, and I stopped doing a lot of things in other areas and focussed on having others make ME money, I quadrupled my income... go figure...

Click my sig...

sickbeatz · 07-11-2006, 04:16 AM

email sickbeatz at gmail.com

he's good, ask Soul Rebel. from Canada too

accepts epassporte.. gets shit done quick.. i should stop talking about myself from third person perspective... but yea, i'll help you mang

d00t · 07-11-2006, 04:48 AM

www.pimpincoders.com

no shady eastern european coders here

testpie · 07-11-2006, 04:58 AM

I'd like to class myself as a not-too-bad PHP programmer, but technically i am located in Europe (the UK - but seeing as most of us Brits hate mainland Europe...).

I think the problem with finding a decent programmer is that, as you mentioned, there are those in developing countries who can do the same job for $0.02 - and seeing as $0.02 isn't even going to buy me a slice, let alone a loaf, of bread, there's little basis to compete on other than quality; and far too often people think with their wallets instead of their heads.

fris · 07-11-2006, 05:22 AM

ya tough to find one, still looking for one too

Tdog · 07-11-2006, 05:29 AM

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Originally Posted by d00t

www.pimpincoders.com

no shady eastern european coders here

Im sorry but the best coders that I have found are in the Ukraine area. All are professionals.

gooddomains · 07-11-2006, 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Tdog

Im sorry but the best coders that I have found are in the Ukraine area. All are professionals.

Do you have some contacts that you can share ? Would be really kind.

I can be reached at [email protected]

teksonline · 07-11-2006, 07:35 AM

We are around, we just don't freelance, only when looking for new fulltime jobs..

See this is how it works,, you want to hire us for a custom program
and pay piddly squat... $300-$700 or some crap... Well any custom program is going to consume time, there's planning, design, code, lots of tedious bullshit that goes on and of course when working with someone, communication is also a time waster...

Then after the script is done, there's the little tweaks and bug fixes that all take time.. Hour here, hour there, that shit adds up and days go by quickly.

We have rent to pay, $1200/m for crackjack apartments, then utilities, then car, then insuarance, then health insuarance, then we have to eat, and smoke and a little would help to have a good time. Did I forget to mention the kids? Should I go on or have you gotten the point?

Tdog · 07-11-2006, 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by gooddomains

Do you have some contacts that you can share ? Would be really kind.

I can be reached at [email protected]

Let me post it here so others can use his service. This guy was hard to find but is the best.

Grigori Kochanov Studio
http://grik.net/

Tdog · 07-11-2006, 07:44 AM

Im not sure what it is with the Ukraine, chezh guys but they are great programmers and designers.

paterson3713 · 07-11-2006, 07:47 AM

Degenerate, leave your contact info. Or hit me up on ICQ I should be able to help you.

StuartD · 07-11-2006, 07:49 AM

I wish I could find a good php programmer

paterson3713 · 07-11-2006, 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by StuartD

I wish I could find a good php programmer

Drop your ICQ StuartD...

StuartD · 07-11-2006, 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by paterson3713

Drop your ICQ StuartD...

s'ok man, I was only kidding. The only thing I want to find a php programmer for is to do my work for me

bknoob · 07-11-2006, 08:07 AM

It really depends what you are willing to pay the programmers. I know a couple of excellent US php coders but charge a minimum rate of 75 an hr (coded a full featured myspace-like site from scratch in 1 month). If you are trying to find a good but less expensive programmer, overseas would be a much better bang for your buck.

jayeff · 07-11-2006, 08:08 AM

In Europe and the US, C++ is about as close as you can get to what you might call "small-business" progamming and still earn decent money. I was an IT consultant/project manager for several years before getting into this business and I saw there was very little demand for php and the like. If such skills are needed, they are usually for minor tasks which you expect to find someone already on the team able to handle.

So most pro programmers will choose other languages and the majority of php coders are essentially hobbyists. There are some good ones, but overall the standards are very inconsistent and that, more than their origin, is the reason so many fail to do a good job. If you offer jobs at low rates, obviously more people will come forward from eastern Europe and Russia and they have many excellent programmers. But when the really cheap work is offered, they won't be the ones coming forward.

munki · 07-11-2006, 08:09 AM

We all hide like bugs under rocks when you lift the stone...

s9ann0 · 07-11-2006, 08:49 AM

maybe people that are good don't want to work for low prices because they can do better on there own and its far less stressfull than doing stuff for other people

Violetta · 07-11-2006, 08:52 AM

Hit me up on icq if you are still looking! I'm not a russian!

And I am cheap!

Ferrishyn · 07-11-2006, 02:17 PM

I'm a Decent US Programmer.

qwe · 07-11-2006, 02:26 PM

whats wrong with Russia, Croatia ? infact they will make a better program then usa programmers (doesn't apply to everyone, but in general)

goldrush · 07-11-2006, 02:27 PM

I don't understand the bias... provided that you can communicate with the programmer, it doesn't matter where they're from. Code is code, as long as it does what it's supposed to do you may as well go for the cheapest option!

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Degenerate Confirmed User Join Date: May 2006 Location: USA Posts: 1,294	Why is it so hard to find a decent PHP programmer.... Located in the USA? I have a tiny job to finish up something, and the only people that contact me are from Russia, Croatia, etc.... Disappointing. __________________ .

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sickbeatz The Hustler Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 4,993	email sickbeatz at gmail.com he's good, ask Soul Rebel. from Canada too accepts epassporte.. gets shit done quick.. i should stop talking about myself from third person perspective... but yea, i'll help you mang __________________ GalleryFeeder.com

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testpie Mostly retired Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: UK Posts: 3,231	I'd like to class myself as a not-too-bad PHP programmer, but technically i am located in Europe (the UK - but seeing as most of us Brits hate mainland Europe...). I think the problem with finding a decent programmer is that, as you mentioned, there are those in developing countries who can do the same job for $0.02 - and seeing as $0.02 isn't even going to buy me a slice, let alone a loaf, of bread, there's little basis to compete on other than quality; and far too often people think with their wallets instead of their heads. __________________ Affiliates: DogFart ~ Domain parking: NameDrive ~ Traffic broker: Traffic Holder

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fris Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 55,382	ya tough to find one, still looking for one too __________________ Since 1999: 69 Adult Industry awards for Best Hosting Company and professional excellence. WP Stuff

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Alky Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Houston Posts: 5,651	because they make more doing shit on their own, instead of being devalued.

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V_RocKs Damn Right I Kiss Ass! Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Cowtown, USA Posts: 32,422	I can code my own shit... I can break into just about any server... I can clean and stop break-ins... I used to make a lot of money doing all three... I made more than my brother in law who went to school to be a database designer (databases need a designer?) and he is at the peak of his career... Now that I stopped coding my own shit and have others do it, and I stopped doing a lot of things in other areas and focussed on having others make ME money, I quadrupled my income... go figure... Click my sig...

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d00t Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: In your mind Posts: 3,766	www.pimpincoders.com no shady eastern european coders here

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teksonline So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: At My Desk Posts: 2,904	We are around, we just don't freelance, only when looking for new fulltime jobs.. See this is how it works,, you want to hire us for a custom program and pay piddly squat... $300-$700 or some crap... Well any custom program is going to consume time, there's planning, design, code, lots of tedious bullshit that goes on and of course when working with someone, communication is also a time waster... Then after the script is done, there's the little tweaks and bug fixes that all take time.. Hour here, hour there, that shit adds up and days go by quickly. We have rent to pay, $1200/m for crackjack apartments, then utilities, then car, then insuarance, then health insuarance, then we have to eat, and smoke and a little would help to have a good time. Did I forget to mention the kids? Should I go on or have you gotten the point?

07-11-2006, 07:44 AM	#15
Tdog Confirmed User Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 2,707	Im not sure what it is with the Ukraine, chezh guys but they are great programmers and designers.

07-11-2006, 07:47 AM	#16
paterson3713 Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Edmonton, AB Posts: 190	Degenerate, leave your contact info. Or hit me up on ICQ I should be able to help you. __________________

07-11-2006, 07:49 AM	#17
StuartD Sofa King Band Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Outside the box Posts: 29,903	I wish I could find a good php programmer

07-11-2006, 08:07 AM	#20
bknoob Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 1,610	It really depends what you are willing to pay the programmers. I know a couple of excellent US php coders but charge a minimum rate of 75 an hr (coded a full featured myspace-like site from scratch in 1 month). If you are trying to find a good but less expensive programmer, overseas would be a much better bang for your buck.

07-11-2006, 08:08 AM	#21
jayeff Confirmed User Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 2,944	In Europe and the US, C++ is about as close as you can get to what you might call "small-business" progamming and still earn decent money. I was an IT consultant/project manager for several years before getting into this business and I saw there was very little demand for php and the like. If such skills are needed, they are usually for minor tasks which you expect to find someone already on the team able to handle. So most pro programmers will choose other languages and the majority of php coders are essentially hobbyists. There are some good ones, but overall the standards are very inconsistent and that, more than their origin, is the reason so many fail to do a good job. If you offer jobs at low rates, obviously more people will come forward from eastern Europe and Russia and they have many excellent programmers. But when the really cheap work is offered, they won't be the ones coming forward.

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munki Do Fun Shit. Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OC Posts: 13,393	We all hide like bugs under rocks when you lift the stone... __________________ “I have the simplest tastes. I am always satisfied with the best.” -Oscar Wilde

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s9ann0 Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Boston Posts: 4,873	maybe people that are good don't want to work for low prices because they can do better on there own and its far less stressfull than doing stuff for other people

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Violetta Affiliate Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 28,735	Hit me up on icq if you are still looking! I'm not a russian! And I am cheap! __________________ M&A Queen

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Ferrishyn Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 28	I'm a Decent US Programmer.

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qwe Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 2,109	whats wrong with Russia, Croatia ? infact they will make a better program then usa programmers (doesn't apply to everyone, but in general)

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goldrush Will trade SE hits for CJ hits Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 661	I don't understand the bias... provided that you can communicate with the programmer, it doesn't matter where they're from. Code is code, as long as it does what it's supposed to do you may as well go for the cheapest option! __________________ 217303611