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Validus · 06-26-2006, 08:18 PM

Sorry for the duplicate...

Maybe you guys and girls can give me some pointers. Whenever I shoot outside the pictures turn out extra bright. Any tips? Also, should I always be using the flash unit as a fill in?

johnnyhey · 06-26-2006, 08:24 PM

shoot in open shade for starters. or use a silk.

Validus · 06-26-2006, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by johnnyhey

shoot in open shade for starters. or use a silk.

Ah okay, so, sunny is good but never in the sun, shoot in shade?!

Noted! Thanks!

LiveDose · 06-26-2006, 08:30 PM

Pick up a handheld light meter.

Get someone to hold reflectors for you or like Johnny said shoot more in the shade.

Also try & shoot early or late not in the middle of the day.

Nice looking girl btw...

chase · 06-26-2006, 08:30 PM

Are you using any of those reflector things? They will keep you from getting so many shadows. Probably a gold one will give a more natural skin tone.

Validus · 06-26-2006, 08:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LiveDose

Pick up a handheld light meter.

Get someone to hold reflectors for you or like Johnny said shoot more in the shade.

Also try & shoot early or late not in the middle of the day.

Nice looking girl btw...

Thanks! I will need to learn how to use one of the handheld light meters things...

She is a gem. LOL, she made my learning experience really easy and painless. Great girl!

Validus · 06-26-2006, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by chase

Are you using any of those reflector things? They will keep you from getting so many shadows. Probably a gold one will give a more natural skin tone.

No, I didn't use any reflectors. Just had the flash going for most of the pictures. I didn't point the flash at her but used the white thingy (not sure what it is called).

Validus · 06-26-2006, 08:34 PM

czarina · 06-26-2006, 08:34 PM

no, don't exactly shoot in the shade or the pics will come out too dark. Simply have the model at an angle fromt he sun

LiveDose · 06-26-2006, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by czarina

no, don't exactly shoot in the shade or the pics will come out too dark. Simply have the model at an angle fromt he sun

He said 'open shade', there is a difference...

Validus · 06-26-2006, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by czarina

no, don't exactly shoot in the shade or the pics will come out too dark. Simply have the model at an angle fromt he sun

Alright, I will have to experiment there

Validus · 06-26-2006, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by LiveDose

He said 'open shade', there is a difference...

Well, okay. What is open shade?

chase · 06-26-2006, 08:44 PM

Here, this should help.

http://olympusdigitalschool.com/phot...ait/index.html

johnnyhey · 06-26-2006, 08:59 PM

here's some "open shade" samples for ya:

Validus · 06-26-2006, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by chase

Here, this should help.

http://olympusdigitalschool.com/phot...ait/index.html

Oh hey! Thanks a lot for the link!

LiveDose · 06-26-2006, 09:01 PM

Hey Validus, open shade is reflected light where you are not shooting in direct sunlight but still have enough reflected light for an exposure. Another good lighting condition is shooting on an overcast/cloudy day.

Hope this helps a little.

johnnyhey · 06-26-2006, 09:01 PM

Validus · 06-26-2006, 09:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LiveDose

Hey Validus, open shade is reflected light where you are not shooting in direct sunlight but still have enough reflected light for an exposure. Another good lighting condition is shooting on an overcast/cloudy day.

Hope this helps a little.

Thanks, every bit helps. I am just making notes and will just need to give it another try

LiveDose · 06-26-2006, 09:02 PM

Johnny your stuff is awesome btw.

MaddCaz · 06-26-2006, 09:03 PM

looks fine to me but what do I know?

johnnyhey · 06-26-2006, 09:04 PM

you can always backlight as well:

Validus · 06-26-2006, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by johnnyhey

Ah okay. So, it is kind of like bouncing the flah of the ceeling.. just that it is the sun, not the flash?!

johnnyhey · 06-26-2006, 09:06 PM

more backlit with NO refelctors

johnnyhey · 06-26-2006, 09:07 PM

backlit window light shot in hotel:

johnnyhey · 06-26-2006, 09:10 PM

shot available light in a hotel bathroom:

chase · 06-26-2006, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Validus

Oh hey! Thanks a lot for the link!

You are so welcome..I take all my own pics with a remote and friggin work lamps from Walmart, so I read everything I can on how to make what I have work better for me until i can afford a proper light kit.

.

johnnyhey · 06-26-2006, 09:11 PM

uno mas:

it's about SEEING light. takes some time, but you'll get it.

johnnyhey · 06-26-2006, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Validus

Ah okay. So, it is kind of like bouncing the flah of the ceeling.. just that it is the sun, not the flash?!

similar, it's about the light filling in an area with no actuall direct sunlight.

johnnyhey · 06-26-2006, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by LiveDose

Johnny your stuff is awesome btw.

thanks

Validus · 06-26-2006, 09:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnnyhey

similar, it's about the light filling in an area with no actuall direct sunlight.

Ah, ok. Good... I will need to try

butterflybucks · 06-26-2006, 09:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LiveDose

Pick up a handheld light meter.

Get someone to hold reflectors for you or like Johnny said shoot more in the shade.

Also try & shoot early or late not in the middle of the day.

Nice looking girl btw...

what he said

Validus · 06-26-2006, 09:34 PM

johnnyhey · 06-26-2006, 09:38 PM

the only problem with open shade is that it can cast a blue light (like your example), you may want to warm up the skin tones in post.

Validus · 06-26-2006, 09:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnnyhey

the only problem with open shade is that it can cast a blue light (like your example), you may want to warm up the skin tones in post.

yea, that I can do

. Thanks to photoshop... What light meter would you recommend?

johnnyhey · 06-26-2006, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Validus

yea, that I can do

. Thanks to photoshop... What light meter would you recommend?

while many may cringe here (including dean) i don't use a light meter. haven't since i've gone digital. that's been about 4 years+. learn how to trust your LCD preview and how it translates to your desktop machine and a real monitor.

if you need a light meter get the minolta auto meter IV.

johnny o

Mr. Romance · 06-26-2006, 09:48 PM

nice eyes...

Mr. Romance

E$_manager · 06-26-2006, 09:48 PM

small dinamic diapason and low down the exposition.
or change your camera.

Anya · 06-26-2006, 09:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chase

Are you using any of those reflector things? They will keep you from getting so many shadows. Probably a gold one will give a more natural skin tone.

Yep Chase, gold does help warm up skin tones. I shot these with a gold reflector last year. Johnny knows the place well

Still learning, but experimenting does help

Anya

Rattlehead · 06-26-2006, 10:23 PM

Nice shots Anya! Love the background too.

E$_manager · 06-26-2006, 10:27 PM

what about the gold? What is it?

BV · 06-26-2006, 10:35 PM

I have a bitch of a time shooting outside as well. PLus I don't have anyone to hold reflectors, nor do I want to if I can get away with it.

I'm using a canon d30 with a canon 550ex flash for fill.
Shadows are a problem for me sometimes. Especially when the sun is straight up.

I find that the canon 550ex flash with TTL (Through The Lens) auto light metering does a pretty good job in auto mode.

gandalfuy · 06-26-2006, 10:48 PM

u should cover the sun with something...
r use a nice shadow to take the pics.

Validus · 06-27-2006, 06:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BV

I have a bitch of a time shooting outside as well. PLus I don't have anyone to hold reflectors, nor do I want to if I can get away with it.

I'm using a canon d30 with a canon 550ex flash for fill.
Shadows are a problem for me sometimes. Especially when the sun is straight up.

I find that the canon 550ex flash with TTL (Through The Lens) auto light metering does a pretty good job in auto mode.

So you use a catch light with the flash or just "hit her" with the flash straight on?

Validus · 06-27-2006, 06:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anya

Yep Chase, gold does help warm up skin tones. I shot these with a gold reflector last year. Johnny knows the place well

Still learning, but experimenting does help

Anya

Yea, those are some great shots!

Grapesoda · 06-27-2006, 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by johnnyhey

uno mas:

it's about SEEING light. takes some time, but you'll get it.

how about seeing the shot in focus?

chase · 06-27-2006, 07:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anya

Yep Chase, gold does help warm up skin tones. I shot these with a gold reflector last year. Johnny knows the place well

Still learning, but experimenting does help

Anya

Wow, girlie, those are fantastic! A whole bunch of beautiful shots in this thread.

gooddomains · 06-27-2006, 07:21 AM

interesting reading

Validus · 06-27-2006, 07:23 AM

Hm, I think photoshop does wonders!

Validus · 06-27-2006, 07:56 AM

johnnyhey · 06-27-2006, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Wanton

how about seeing the shot in focus?

lol, as an experienced shooter, i thought you know the difference between out of focus and camera blur. this is camera blur, shot around 1/60th sec.

there's an aesthetic value to it not being tack sharp but that eludes some. i shoot plenty of images for my own site/use and am granted the freedom of being my own AD. to each his own.

johnny o

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