Yes and No if you decide to shoot in a uptight area and advertise. Your painting a target on your back. These guys were doing well, they could of shot in LA or miami for that matter but people by nature like to take least painful path when work is concerned then it turns into the most painful path. I wish them all the best and if they start a fund we will be kicking in.

Is it just me or they took the site down.

The connection has timed out

The server at www.cumonherface.com is taking too long to respond.

The obscenity law is very vague, but the penalties are severe. In an article by an attorney I recall him saying that the practical/ average sentence for a 1 count obscenity conviction is... 5 years!!!!! Smoke that in your pipe!

The law has not kept pace with technology.

How can community standards even be applied to the internet?

The adult webmaster is in real jeopardy when 35 year old rules are mistakenly applied to new media.

How can a federal law make something that is undefined a crime? How can the legal standard of what constitutes a violation vary in every single town and city in the country? That is sheer madness!

My *opinion* is that the thing I will call the "internet community standard" is very high, and that anything goes, except child porn and non-consensual/ forced acts. But, that is just my opinion on how the world should work, and nothing more.

The bottom line is that virtually anybody in this business could be charged.

If you don't want that to happen, you need lots of well thought out defenses:

1. Think proactive, identify your weaknesses
2. Locate in a good jurisdiction (Los Angeles --not Polk County, FL)
3. Don't push the limits!! No scat, pee, fisting, animals, violence, etc..
4. Comply with all other laws so they can't add on Mann Act, RICO, etc.. Don't pay models to travel, avoid multiple bad acts, avoid conspiracies in all forms.
5. Have good lawyers on retainer
6. Include artistic elements to leverage Miller
7. Be 2257 compliant
8. Don't make enemies

I am not a lawyer and this is not legal advice.

I wonder how many sigh ups they brought in today.. the server is slamed with traffic

No one can make a good faith effort to comply with the obscenity law, because it is too vague and because the standard varies everywhere you go.

That is true insanity!

I think part of the appeal to the site was that they were not always using all the same girls as everyone else. :2 cents:

I'm tellin you its the man @ work!

I talked to someone tonight who is from pensacola, it is illegal to sell adult movies there cant buy them. Its like duh maybe not a good place to do porn productions.

Kind of odd how they didn't get charged with any drug related offenses, though. The "drugs" were probably Viagra.

why do children prattle on about things they don't know.
child, just because you don't agree with the law does not mean its abused.

seems like the whole site was taken offline...which means that the billing company will refund ALL their customers. That's fucked...I've learned that you aren't supposed to live in the same place that you get your content from.

damn thats not good at all, fuck.

is it illegal in his county to film porn, or in all of florida?


....fuck i really need to read up on these laws :(

Correct.

Tampa has more strip clubs and bookstores per sq mile than any place on earth.

Miami is an international city... so it has L.A., Vegas, NYC style enforcement.

Florida is huge... and as you go north the laws get tighter and tighter. Conversely the incest and molestation laws loosen.

Oh damn, I didn't know that was there site. Do they even have a chance at coming back up?

Bad news. :(

I hope they can solve their problems.

I have 2 checks from them...The question is: do i put it in my bank account ? Will they be honored ?

what about affiliates who have COHF content on their sites? is it ok to keep the content online?

also, i wanna know how one becomes a multimillionaire when a business that grosses 300k according to the article. Many years, alot of savings and no personal expenditures i reckon

You are basicly calling a bunch of big program owners morons right now ... and you make what ? 35k a year ?

If they want to handle the heat, more power to them. There are so many compagnies outside of LA now...

Tell that to Stalin, Hitler, and all the great war leaders of this world.

I think we need to take a step back here and give it a few days to play out further.

It is very common for the police themselves to not even know the inner workings of the laws and how they can be enforced.

The Florida panhandle, correctly labeled above as "Lower Alabama", is a classic example.

Just one or two counties over back in 2003 the local cops arrested the crew from Girls Gone Wild and called it a huge Child Porn bust because some of the girls flashing boobs at Spring Break happen to be just 15, 16 or 17 years old...

Cops went wild, media went wild, cops seized condos, camcorders, computers, tapes and even a jet if I recall correctly.

Months later the GGW lawyers finally got it in front of a real judge. The judge reviewed the actual law on the books and realized the cops had it all wrong.... Bare boobs on a model under age 18 IS NOT illegal under Florida law (or most other states) unless the girl is being fondled by another person, and its not illegal at all under Federal law.....

XBix article from 2003 here:

http://www.xbiz.com/news_piece.php?id=2311

But, my point is that cops often run in charging all sorts of wild shit, and stand on the courthouse steps reading it all off for the media to consume, spin and reproduce..... In the GGW case, and others, the cops themselves didn't even know the law / read the law -- They just "assume" they know whats right and wrong and act on it....

I don't know about this case, but I think we should all give the lawyers and others time to sort it out.

Jimmy

Weclome to the USSR version 2.

P.S. Now to be serious. I don't really understand where that celebrated freedom is? Mr. Bush says: "freedom", "freedom", "freedom" again again and again. Do you think, how many times he must say "freedoms" to make you americans feel free for real? Just wonder...

Cashtitans is back online...with all their sites. I hope he won't make us pay for his days in court...but surely i hope he moves to "safer" territory. I know he don't pay taxes in Florida, but it's no worth staying around any Bush's inquisitors.

Yep, I'm glad to see they're back online.

Yes, they are back online. Shane sent me an email from Cash Titans yesterday.

I wonder if they moved their servers out of florida or even out of USA? Would that be the reason why they were down for a day or so?

Yes, I think they gone to The Netherlands.

http://www.cumonherface.com/2257.html

Good for them. :thumbsup

Yikes! This is why I got out of porn, and why I will probably stay out. I guess I am the poster child for the Bush regime, out of porn for good. What the repubs don't realize is, all they will do though is drive porn overseas to countries like NL (be there next week myself) where even beast is legal.:mad:

But you guys are all kidding yourselves. Anywhere in the US, including LA, you can be arrested at any time for any involvement in porn. Sure your odds of beating it are good. But meanwhile, you'll have about $1 Mil of legal fees, you'll have feds in the bushes, and it will be a nightmare.

Tons of money to be made in the U.S. in non adult; I am doing better than ever. No regrets so far; but I do miss the girls. :thumbsup

Points to consider ........

All levels of law enforcement tend to be overworked, on limited budgets.

Seldom are investigations started from scratch. They wait for someone to give themselves up. The dumb-asses that begged to be arrested. Starts with LOW level crime bust, then the ball starts rolling, usually UPHILL ...!

Driving at 2-am with only one tail-light. (Dui, drugs, guns, etc)

Advertising escort or massage services. (just call a number for vice bust)

Domestic problems that escalate. (jealous boyfriends)

Obvious drug use and activity.

Now prosecutors have the groundwork (immunity testimony) for bigger and more profitable (seizure) investigations. They have first-hand, elaborated knowledge of crimes. Witnesses. How business is done.

THIS ALL CAME TO THEM, WALKED IN THE POLICE STATION DOOR.

This particular county is offended. Elected officials want to keep their jobs. Laws are on the books.

wtf... seriously 30 years in prison?!? Retarded... I still dont see what the crime is here

i am not too familiar with the case.

but, if what i read is true (videotape created in public outdoor areas) then these guys begged to be busted.

for all you guys that want to defend this stuff you need to understand something.

"porn" should NOT be foisted on folks that have no desire to see it.

and as a family man, if my children were hiking in a public game preserve and came across a bukkake scene production, and i sat on a jury guess how i would vote.

and i am a libertarian.

same goes for porn related UCE. i am not a prude, but responsible business people SHIELD those who don't want their sexually related product with warnings, ICRA, etc.

because if you don't shield the unwanting, or the innocent, expect the wrath of the general public to put your ass in a sling.

end of sermon for you kids.

I agree with you, and i should think that the metatags should serve a better purpose in that area. Although the banner proposition of the US might not be a bad idea...depends on how it's implemented. Usually the US have prooven to apply their law proposition like fanatical christians when it comes to porn. I would prefer that the ICRA would be free,or less costly, and that we would be obligated in putting their small banner. But i am pretty sure that most politians don't even know what is the ICRA.

Amazing how republicans always claim they are libertarian ...

If you would believe that, there is no republican on this board .. but if you look at previous post from this nick, you will see the obvious clues that REPUBLICAN it is ...

Yep your right... insane... I dont care who you are 30 years is overkill as a punishment

I don't get you, are you saying there is a specific ordinance that allows for the filming of adult material in Cali, or that it's allowed because the community standard says it's okay?

Plus, since it's legal to pay for sex in some counties in Nevada, I'm pretty sure it could be filmed there as well.

I think its legal because the Courts have set precidents saying it is.

some news there?

Yes .. I have not been paid by them

hmmmmm shit :mad:

Has anyone recieved payment since they got into problems ???

Yeah this is prolly the first crackdown of many more to come similar to this.
The goverment here in the US is getting more controling everyday , they can pretty much do what ever they want and get away with it.
It's only a matter of time til people get fed up with thier bullshit , i would love to see the entire adult industrie in the US just stop paying taxes.
The goverment would suffer and waste alot of thier resources on trying to prosecute everyone , it would put a pretty big size dent in our goverment.
I would also bet if the adult industrie ever did that alot of other people would follow who the US has pissed off in the past.Maybe even major motion picture companys who knows , but i think somthing like this would be a great start to show the goverment we are not gonna take thier shit anymore.

That'll be the day...

Don't you think there is more to be thinking of than expecting a sponsor to be paying out funds when they may be facing a long jail term for possible obscenity convictions and you are a possible participant in the alleged crimes?

Little doubts Ray will deal with this in his own time.

Is there something bad I want my money? I just noticed he updated his site. He even still runs webmaster affiliate program! I am still sending him traffic (I can not change all galleries) and I am still making him money on rebills.

Certainly nothing wrong with not wanting your money janosik. You tried emailing and asking for payment?

Can't say.. maybe others will know, but there is some serious shit going on in the background and who knows what the status is on funding or updating (this could be automatic?).

Till Ray or any others involved are in a position to say much it's a closed door. OK.. that don't help you right now and it's prob a matter of doing what you need to at a biz level.

Technically speaking it is ILLEGAL to shoot commercial porn outside of Los Angeles, CA and the shoot just like any mainstream (square) film must have the proper film permits as well (California v. Freeman, 46 Cal. 3d 419, 758 P.2d 1128, 250 Cal. Rptr. 598.).

http://www.avnonline.com/index.php?P...tent_ID=232071


Nevada's brothels-

Under Nevada law, any county with a population of fewer than 400,000 is allowed to license brothels if it so chooses (NRS 244.345). As of January 2005, Clark County (which contains Las Vegas) is the only county in Nevada with a population of over 400,000, but Washoe County will soon reach that point as well [1]. Incorporated towns and cities in counties that allow prostitution may regulate the trade further or prohibit it altogether.

As of July 2004, brothels are illegal in Carson City, Washoe County (which contains Reno), Douglas County, and Lincoln County. Eureka County neither permits nor prohibits brothels and does not have any. The other 11 counties permit licensed brothels in certain specified areas or cities.

The precise licensing requirements vary from county to county. License fees for brothels range from an annual $100,000 in Storey County to an annual $200 in Lander County. Licensed prostitutes must be at least 21 years old, except in Storey County and Lyon County, where the legal age is 18.

State law requires that registered brothel prostitutes be checked weekly for several sexually transmitted diseases and monthly for HIV; furthermore, condoms are mandatory for all oral sex and sexual intercourse. Brothel owners may be held liable if customers become infected with HIV after a prostitute has tested positive for the virus (NRS 041.1397).

Nevada has laws against engaging in prostitution outside of licensed brothels, against encouraging others to become prostitutes, and against living off the proceeds of a prostitute. All of these behaviors are quite common, however. Brothels are also not allowed to advertise their services in counties where brothel prostitution is illegal.

Bump! Bump!

is there any news from the cohf guys? i was told that one of them is no longer connected to the cohf guys.

There was a post from Rose4u on GFY recently saying that Prodigy Affiliate Services is no longer handling payouts for Cash Titans, that they don't have our money, and that we should contact CT directly for owed payments.

I've been promoting COHF for six years, Iwouldn't mind getting an update on this situation from someone "official".

Here's the thread: http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=630111

I'm a bit surprised it didn't receive more attention.