The guys from COHF are well ready for this kind of fight, they have been preparing for it for years. It was just a matter of time before this happened and I am sure they have the best legal, money can buy...

COHF guys, if you need ANYTHING at all please call Magnus or myself, we're in your corner bros. :)

DH

Very Good Point.

That was totally un-fucking-called for.

#1. Whether I vote or not has nothing to do with it. I would still have a right to get pissed at what the "powers that be" do with tax dollars.

#2. Doesn't matter who you vote. They're all crooked and doing what is in their own best interest. Right now a war on porn is in their best interests so they go after people in our line of business.

#3. I'm not from the USA. I'm in Canada. So me voting an american government in/out/etc has no bearing.

I am concerned for the industry as a whole and how "powers that be" and holier than thou goodiegoodies think we are all criminals.

So would you tell me to fuck off if I was a US citizen and didnt vote? Saying I would have no right to even comment on anything I am involved in in any form?

I know you're pissed at what your administration is doing, but don't bark up the wrong tree. It's not voters fault. it's people in general who won't let people run their own personal lives for themselves.

It's not Votes that change governments. it's your dollar and legal powers.

I wish a lot of you people would realize that.

Everything that happens in this world that involves the US or is in the US gets blamed on who voted who in. It's the people who live next door, down the street and across town from you who have different opinions, not voters.

and bush thinks all porn is child porn

The power of government is granted ny the people at the ballot box, if you leave it for others to decide then you get what you get. You may not like this fact but thats the way it is.

If everyone who said I'd have voted but my vote really doesn't count had voted for donald fucking duck...donald fucking duck would be president.

You want things to change...get up off of your ass and help change them instead of whining about how things cant be changed.

Did he actually say that? I can't image anyone being that stupid.. well, it is Bush tho lol//

The general public that thinks child porn is part of the adult entertainment business... now THAT gets me boiling.

mikesouth's comments are great considering he specializes in bukkakes and trolling for strippers and escorts openly in Ohio...lol

Get your obscenity law quotes straight rather than trying to make a huge deal out of nothing in other states and/or municipalities. You are in Ohio enough, you should know the laws here and community standards that are enforced.

Your ads and and shit up here cause more problems for everyone and makes it tougher for those of us trying to stay low key and legit. That's likely the same thing that happened in Florida. Enough posts on Craigslist and the local rag papers will bring heat the rest of us don't need.

Oh, and don't piss off the girls you work with, they are another good source of snitch information. Just a little heads up....

Definately worth watching - hard to say at this stage, but it could be *the* biggest significant case since the "commerical net" started in 95 and may affect many folks - depending on how they wish to present any indictments and what laws are backing them up.



PS Agree on the difference between Ray and Rob Black

stuff like that only happens in the land of the free, home of the brave... :(

good info mike!

I'm also very curious about who is running in mid term elections down in Pensacola and around Florida - has Jeb Bush or any state officials commented?

I'm also curious about the neighbors complaining bit... I wonder if they truly pissed neighbors off or if someone wanted to get back at them for something, so they tipped off the police. Either way, I think Ray Guhn & Co. will be getting out of Florida as soon as they can, once this thing is over! but that will probably be years

How could I vote for or against your government, Im a canadian citizen. Learn to read.

Anywho... Do you see me here whining about how things cant be changed?

I actually said they can be changed. With the almighty dollar.

Your vote comments are so fucking idiotic I don't even want to talk about it anymore.

You seem very eager to get deep into it and start insulting people asuming if they voted or not. What are YOU doing besides voting to change it.

umm i dont know where you got your information but i dont advertise in any print media nor do I advertise on craigslist In Dayton and believe me I do know the laws up there.

matter of fact I dont advertise anyplace except in forums and groups where people have voluntarily signed up.

almost all of my girls in that area come to me via word of mouth...from other girls I have shot...

so if you are going to take a slap at me at least get your fucking facts straight so that you dont come off like a moron...

I actually thought Ray had already moved to Canada ....so much for that...

As far as the neighbors coplaining the more I read that article the more it seems sensationalized to me...this may very well be a local tinhorn politician trying to get headlines at Ray's expense

OK Im out for the night....this is one to watch for all of us...cept you Canadians...

Riiiiiight, when was the last time you cruised Dixie? Everyone around here knows you and of you. Almost EVERY girl I meet here asks me if I know you or of you, and if the shoot will be a dug induced cum swapping tally-ho for $300.00 or less. Over and over, you and that other group out of Columbus, forget the name right now, but you guys make the same kind of waves whenever you come around with you banter. I can't beleive how hard it is sometimes to convice models that we are all not like you and some of these other who do all that shit with no regard for the law.

Most of the girls I run into who have worked with you I turn away, I don't want the heat or stereotype associated with my company.

If it were not you posting on CG then it's one of your recruiters. Your site name was specifically mentioned at the time.

I'm just saying, on the issue at hand with that case, you have done plenty in this are to start the same ball rolling. It's a community standards issue, and loose lips sink ships.

You have a boat full of loose lips :error

This will be interesting to see what happens. Best of luck to the COHF crew

We are talking about rayray here right?

These guys should hire Fred Levin and get these charges dropped :(

Think about it this way compared to their shoots yours look wholesome lol Mike treats girls very nice, I have shot for him many a time. Always with the utmost respect for the model they know before hand exactly whats going to happen but he is loud and if he has been there his presence is known lol.

That's kind of my point though. The "loose lips" part of it, and all the shit that gets passed on from producer to producer feeds the problem. Once the right person tells the wrong person, the charade falls apart, and people start talking about obscenity and abuse.

When girls show up at our place and expect drugs, alcohol, and whatever else they are accustomed to ("because that other guy has it, I did 4 rails beofe 12 guys came on my face just so I could get through the shoot"), and then talk about the illustrious career that certain producers got them involved in, it all starts to add up.

Right person, wrong time - rinse and repeat. Next thing you know the heat is on, and questions get raised.

I have heard it around here for months, and most of the time it's embarrasing for me to even hear, especially considering people come here and tout as if they are not guilty of the same damn thing that likely got the cat's down in FL busted.

The other point, is for some one with mike's reputation (here locally) to come in here like he's a God damn angle, is just hilarity. Your day is coming too man, loose lips...

:2 cents:

You know... anyone who would do porn outside of California is a moron...

IMHO...

Mike has never had drugs or booze on any shoot we have done, in fact that one of his biggest rules.Why is my day coming too? Please explain

by "do porn", do you mean produce content?

anyway, im worried about just being a webmaster in the pensacola area. What if my bus license/dba is tied to adult domains, webpages, etc...would I be considered running a "criminal enterprise"

Because you don't start with a million dollars and moving and shooting in LA cost more that doing it locally.

All this shit hurts the US economy. Good news for other contries such as the Czech Republic, Netherlands, Canada etc.

May have to check Florida off the places I wanna be. South Florida looked inviting. Just not an LA person here. All those earth quakes. Fuck, it's just a different place. I would like to be near the Keys. Hurricanes would be so much more fun. At least there is some warning.

:P Things are getting ugly.

From Spain MM?? :winkwink:

I've said for awhile that Florida is one of the biggest piles of shit in our country. Bible-thumping seniors control most of the state and the law enforcement and judges will do anything in their power to appease them. Remember, this is the state that couldn't count fucking ballots properly.

It's no surprise that this state dominates the headlines year after year in child molesters and such. They have their priorities in the wrong places.

Define adult? I know that seems general but is it based on penetration or what? Shooting glamish nude shots of a girl?

I met Ray.. he was a nice guy... it's a shame he's getting shit on. I also used to work in the media and reporters tend to get spoon fed sensationalism by the authorities and pump it up larger just to get awards.

I swear, some states it's like a fucking controlled state ... makes me sick ... adults can do what the fuck they like ... how the hell can some fucking twat head governor think he/she can get away with taking rights from people ... free land my ass...

It is just a shake down. All cops are criminals.

Florida is the most misunderstood state - people think Miami and spring break and vacations and parties when they think 'Florida' - the born and bred Floridians don't call it L.A. (Lower Alabama) for nothing - it IS the Bible Belt and the Deep South.

that is shitty

heard he comitted sucide in jail .

You would want to have some real concrete proof of this now that you have just posted that remark.

5,000 members?? lol... you guys arent kidding when you told me adult is shit nowadays

Would you just fucking go away?

Yeah, a 150k T.O a month isn't bad at all!

This thread is about the COHF guys. I think you guys need to open a new thread Mike South vs. Newbreed and discuss it there. It is off the topic here. :2 cents:

I been to many Mike South shoots. As a matter of fact i was there at the 1st bukkake he ever shot years years ago as a participant. Since then i havenot seen any drugs or alcohol during his shoots.

Oh shit! :winkwink:

I gave up on all that crap years ago - used to live in Florida (nice place - pity about the laws and govt), but saw it coming a long while back and moved out.

Since 9/11 suppose I'm doing the same as a lot of folks and avoiding going near the place - it's too much hassle even in transit.

Only had one "incident" tho - sent a friend some money (not much) and she got ... not sure if she was actually arrested, but was "detained" while collecting her child from school and questioned at length. I asked what kinda problem they had to detain her - replied, "I'm not playing their silly games - I'm not there for a discussion or interrogation". Basically said nothing and they quit the "interview". Ironically she is a govt law officer - but that was never disclosed - it was considered not on the need-to-know list and none of their biz :)

Who knows... but smell there may be more of "incidents" similar to Ray's - it's a prime time with elections on the horizon.

Agree bobby - there are other more important elements than squabbling over shit. Same applies to all the one-liner clueless trolls who would piss their frilly panties at the thought of an actual indictment.

nope, he is canadien

Wonder if Free Speech is becoming involved in this ?

i was recently in pensacola. producing porn there was not a very good decision. but weve all made a few of those....

best of luck in the courts guys i hope nothing but the absolute most favorable outcome.

Wow, this is shitty indeed. Thanks to those who helped clear up some of the legalities of producing adult content.

I learned something.

*bump for the uninformed*

later
c-lo

2257 information wasn't easy to find on the site, they didn't use the specific wording the law requires .... hopefully that will be overlooked

1 mill is not all profit

oouuuch! that's:Oh crap

I'm confused, are the people in this thread stating it is illegal to shoot porn in Florida? Uhm Noooooooo fucking way. The biggest online adult companies shoot in Florida, including Bangbros, Nastydollars, and Score-cash.

Mmm.. don't think they care much whether it's "legal" to shoot porn in Fla..

So far the charges are racketeering - namely, "conducting a criminal enterprise by engaging in prostitution and the manufacture and sale of obscene material."

RICO always was an act that was used fairly liberally - in many ways it's much like conspiracy.

PS.. Basically anything can be "obscene" till a jury decides otherwise.

Consenting adults creating content for other consenting adults.

That's what right winger want to make illegal.

Because they want "less government". :1orglaugh

I hope these guys have good lawyers.