Hal was the man .... RIP .

Here is hat I posted a few months ago, in respect o a previous post ... but I am just an idiot ...

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/newrep...eply&p=9054130

Do they have a defense fund set up yet? I want to contribute. Thanks.

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To Bobby and Tony404 Thanks Guys

to newbreed
yep you are a moron...anyone knows me knows I pay more than you indicated, I dont "cruise" anywhere and most of all I dont allow drug or alchohol on a set AND if you appear to be intoxicated to me, even a little you will be sent home, even if you are the girl.

You wanna start a new thread on this fine...this is my last reasponse to you here.

This will be interesting to see how it plays out.

That is one of the reason why last feb I sold my Condo in Pompano ... Can't do business there, at least not this type ... and also as reason the falling $$$$ and topping of real estate market ...

Naturally, there was a few kids here with the one liners:

-- woowoohoo, the sky is falling
- tinfoil hat man
-- why do you hate america..

and so on ...

This board will soon follow the " business hours" of kindergarden ...

That's the question I have. I'm guessing they propostioned the wrong waitress.

Forgive my ignorance, but how do we check the laws in our community? Call up the county clerk and ask if it's legal to perform various sexual acts including anal, oral etc?

:1orglaugh No, not quite. The easiest way is to hire a very knowledgeable attorney (best to have one on retainer if you can afford it) and consult with him (let him do the research). If not, you can do the research yourself but I will warn you, it is a LOT of research and not easy or fun in the least bit. However if you must do the reasearch yourself, you can start by looking up state and local statutes and laws online or by going down to your local law library (if there is one in your area) and doing the research there. At the very least, you want to look for viable loopholes or similar cases in your area that may have set precedents in your favor.

prostitution: the act or practice of indulging in promiscuous sexual relations especially for money

I don't think you have to check the laws...this is a no-brainer.

I do believe it's legal only in some parts of Nevada.

I hope that was sarcasm ....

That is the problem : you cannot rreally check, because it is kept vague on purpose ...

If you drive a car at 70 mph on a highway, you KNOW that you are breaking the law.
If you allow minors in a bar, you know you are breaking the law. The ages are specified when you get your license.

But for porn, it is left to the prosecutors ... So you end up having to defend yourself, pay for it and possibily get acquitted... and right after, they charge you on another similar vid ... but since it is not identical, your back in court ...

That is a broad definition though that would require further definition to show how it pertains to each individual case. Filming, however, is a different story entirely with different limits and standards (well, if you have actually applied for a filming permit that is). Like I said, if you are not willing or able to retain highly effective or knowledgeable counsel on the matter, you really need to have studied law yourself or at least be very well versed in legal matters.

I would really, really enjoy hearing a recording of someone calling their local government and asking them these questions in a serious manner.

It is not an unreasonable request after all, even though they intend it to be.

dammm, this sucks for them..I hope they work this one out..


Mr. Romance

That's the $64,000 question!!

Just as ignornance is bliss....thank God we have GFY to edumacate us.

OMG, I would totally do it, I think we even have the equipment, only I know with my luck, I'd post it, then get busted under some stupid wiretapping or recording of phone conversation between pornographer and government employee law.

Yup thats what really sucks all these laws that are directed at us are very fucking vague. I would love a black and white law then I know what I can do and cant.

I have been on some of Mikes shoots, know some of the people he works with, and even sent talent to him before. NEVER ONCE have I heard or seen anything about drugs on the set or angry models. I've also yet to meet a model how spoke bad about him. :2 cents:

But lord only knows what male talent will say and do, or try to use as a tool to pull pussy. It could be possible that there is someone from the bukkake shoots using Mikes name to get somewhere.

Thank you Sir! I was actually trying to be kinda funny in a very serious thread, though I know there are a lot of producers out there who haven't done that. Luckily we have a model who's husband is an entertainment lawyer, and he's on top of it as we speak.

In Florida, they have 2 things against them. Number 1 Bible belt. number 2 the eacketeering is 2 or more people conspiring to commit a crime, and the terminology of that has "Knew or should have known" and that will cover the commision of the crimes.

and we all know MODELS NEVER LIE or twist the truth, or start rumors, or light other models hair on fire with a cigarette....bla bla bla...

I've got to go now, thank you everyone for your input on this matter, it just goes to show that after a while, we become complacent, let things slip and when we think noones paying attention or watching...BLAM...we're in trouble. I do believe we all need to become better educated, thank God for lawyers.

I have to go shoot some porn now....

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh Oh man I want to see that!

seriously...

Yeah but you still have to be carefull about what you're doing. Law is Law and government no mater how much money they collect indirectly form Adult, don't want them or the community to be associated with it :2 cents:

They abuse RICO and they abuse the MANN act, but they'll never, ever, ever abuse the PATRIOT act.

Right 12clicks?

nm, I see directfiesta already covered that sarcastic remark pretty well :thumbsup

Crappy situation for the COHF people.

Sorry to hear about RayGun .. I love the guys .. and I know they will kick ass .. and I am sure this will all just be a little hicup in the days endevours ...

But this is exactally why everyone and I mean absolutly EVERYONE in the states should contact me for all their content requirerments ... I worked and produced content for the infamous "Sweet entertainment" for almost 8 years and we/sweet single handedly destroyed the "Obsenity" laws here in Canada so OHHHH-YAAAA I am on my own now and I can shoot just about anything you need or want ..up here in super safe CANADA... and of course the highest quality and now even HD ...

I'm glad their sites are still alive. I blogged about it yesterday on my webmaster blog. http://www.smutpeddlerblog.com/archives/00000082.htm

Northern Florida is very conservative. The charges seem so far fetched.

I believe the Bang Bros are playing with fire. They have gotten in trouble with the cops before with shooting in the van, but the cop let them go after the model flashed him.

Yep.

The 3 most westernmost counties in the Panhandle which are also the 3 largest counties by population in the Panhandle.

Escambia County(Pensacola)
2004 Bush 65% Kerry 34%
2000 Bush 63% Gore 35%

Santa Rosa County( next county over )
2004 Bush 77% Kerry 22%
2000 Bush 72% Gore 25%

Okaloosa County( next county over from Santa Rosa, Destin, Ft Walton Beach area)
2004 Bush 78% Kerry 22%
2000 Bush 74% Gore 24%

good goddam.... can you guys take this to another thread?

That sucks.

I wonder if they will get the cashtitans aff. list

in the article:

RICO and Mann are *never* off the table when it comes to the adult biz. :winkwink:

Nothing would be a surprise on the Patriot Act - any act with a grand title like that is designed to push buttons for anyone who will listen. Who knows at this stage, but would be interesting to see if warrants for entry/search/seizure were issued for every set of premises visited by all law officers involved in the investigation.

Only my :2 cents: worth, but always thought since 95/96 that the US side of the net was very lucky in that there has been very few prosecutions (apart from a well-known few that were sitting ducks anyway) for "normal porn" and don't think RICO was ever invoked in respect of "normal porn" re the net.

Can't say for certain, but think the last time a noteable RICO case arose over porn was prior to the "commerical net" and re video sales from California with eg.. a US Postal Inspector ordering adult videos from places like Utah knowing this would result in an issue of "community standards".

That case always did give rise to the possibility of .. eg a US website in Virginia, transmitting content to eg Utah where there is a more than reasonable prospect of offending community standards.

The location and background to Ray's incident and the current climate re political background (elections), smells like another Utah. Doubt that has gone unnoticed by the Florida State Attorney - or any defense trial lawyers.

Bottom line folks - whatever is published on websites, either in text, graphics or video, is open to any law agency within that jurisdiction to lay claims of "obscenity". Obscenity is illegal. The precise definition and any community standards may vary - but the final decider is a jury.

It costs a lot of time, money and resources to defend "obscenity" and, depending of a prosecutors strategy, it is often easier to prosecute ten "small fish" and know that the majority will simply enter guilty pleas and set precedents for attacking "large fish".

Ray is not a "small fish", but the results of any future trial may have an effect on many "small fish" as well as bigger species - it may be a clue to monitor his case and give support where needed.

Yes that is what you do. If you don't and something happens then you say what was I supposed to do ???????? They will not say o'sorry we should have told you first.

Gotta love this one:

http://www.cumonherface.com/tour3/im...sole13_big.jpg

We should build a very large, very tall wall that seperates Flordia from the rest of the United States and then have very large ovens melt the polar ice caps.

That might be a little harsh.

I mean, Dade and Hillsborough counties (i.e. Miami and Tampa) are certainly civilized regions. There might be a couple of others too, not really sure.

As for the rest of the state......yeah, your solution would seem to be in order.

we should outsource our porn like every other big business, have a young indian girl who calls herself Barba Streisand sucking you cock.

There was nothing obscene about COHF just as there was nothing obscene about Max Hardcore when he was raided many times just as there was nothing obscene about Sweet. The motives behind these prosecutors need to be exposed to the fullest extent for public view and open public forum. These are laws that have serious, addressable flaws. North America needs to band together to root out these problems that are attacking our own citizens. That is why I fully praise the efforts of Gov. Schwarzenegger to point out and condemn failures within the Republican government. Politicians must realize preserving liberty in your country is not about winning the most votes before an election by committing heinous acts. How much longer are we going to be made examples of? THe politicians are meant to be the puppets, not the people conducting legitimate affairs and business. I am sick and tired of hearing about 7 and 12 year old girls found strangled and raped in the country. I am sick of hearing about those sickos. More resources, more prosecution, more moeny from the war effort needs to be devoted to preventing them in the first place and hunting those sick bastards down. THe furthest step from the solution ever possible would be to target pornography and devote our tax dollars to telling us what to do with our bodies. I have not seen one forced act within the COHF site nor underage girls performing against their will. COHF even features an age system that puts you under penalty of perjury. This is a feature even alot of the cleanest mainstream adult sites don't even possess. I doubt those racketeering or prostitution charges will ever hold up either. Porn is an artform, one that I'm very proud of. I have yet to stumble across one porn site that has diminished that notion of perfection. The only site that could ever change my mind would have to be a child porn one. Nuff said.

It is illegal to shoot adult content everywhere except LA.

Yesssss fucking way. :(

makes me sick seeing those percents!!

that shit sucks. Unfortunate.

This thread deserves to be bumped back to page one

good luck.

if they seized drugs they are in TROUBLE on that one and will probally get a record for it.


I hope they beat all other charges. good luck guys.

if there's anything I can do to help please let me know.

yay...anybody from COHF or cashtitans?

150..........

Scary shit to be in adult in the US.

scary, scary shit