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FATPad · 05-31-2002, 12:38 PM

I saw that saying "You get what you pay for" about hosting again, and it made me wonder...

At what point does "You get what you pay for" turn into "You're getting hosed like a newbler"?

The prices at Sextracker's hosting got me thinking about this. They're a lot more expensive than everyone else, so getting what you pay for isn't really applicable. At some point, you're just getting fucked. What point is that for you?

pipp · 05-31-2002, 12:44 PM

when you pay more for a service at one place then you would do for a service just as good elswhere then your gething fuckt. The hard part is finding a service that is god and not gething fuckt

05-31-2002, 12:46 PM

Sextracker's pricing on the website is ridiculous ~ I'm 100% sure that you could setup a custom deal for a better price though.... just like anywhere else.

No hosting company is downtime-proof, just like we saw yesterday when WS, EP, Elephantlist and Sleazy were down. But once you pay $2 per gig and you're down 3 hours a day, you *might* wanna start thinking about gettin a new host.

Rocco · 05-31-2002, 12:47 PM

When you will test like 8-10 hosting company you will know which one are the best :-)

Rocco

salsbury · 05-31-2002, 12:50 PM

how much bandwidth would you be using? their prices might not be as high as you think. in any case.. i don't think you're necessarily fucked just by paying more for one service than another, if all other things are equal. i guess it depends on what you'd end up saving by being at another place. if you're only doing 100gb a month and the other place is 50 cents cheaper a gig you're only saving $50. i dont call that fucked.

Brad Mitchell · 05-31-2002, 12:52 PM

I think you're right, there is a delicate balance between 'getting what you pay for' and simply paying too much.

What would I look out for?

1) Lengthy contracts with lots of legal jargon. I feel that if you're not happy with your host you should be able to pick up and go and they should even HELP you with that (as long as you've paid your bills)! Some of the companies out there will sue you for the remainder of your hosting contract..... ouch!

2) There is a real wide spectrum of hosting prices out there. Before writing a host off as being too expensive it's always a good idea to look at 5-10 hosts. It seems like a select few super cheap hosts taint perception for everyone. Look at my other thread, there's already two people bitching about my prices. Yet, when I developed my price matrix I shopped myself against about two dozen adult hosts to develop those prices which I thought were a good value.

3) Look for hidden fees! Some hosts out there will not only charge a premium but also nickel and dime you for every damned thing. Me, for example, everything is on OUR dime when something goes wrong for one of our dedicated clients. And, small script installs or troubleshooting is always free.

I always like the honest approach. If a hosting company seems too expensive get those guys on the phone and ask them what's up! Say, "look! these X companies are charging Y and you're so much more then that". See if they can give you a price justification that makes sense AND makes you want to give them your business. Many won't be able to do that or you'll feel like you're seeing right through them when they get on the phone.

Equinox is right! No company is downtime proof. Go to Candid's site and they say they have 0.00% downtime. What about those threads a few weeks ago about their network being down? LOL Was everyone imagining that?

For me, any host that says there is never the potential for downtime is a liar and I'd never give him the business. Conversely, any host that experiences frequent downtime is someone you want to switch from!

I agree with Salsbury too... Saving $50 bucks per month is negligable to any serious webmaster. I'd even venture to say that the margin of savings could be much wider depending on your volume without really mattering as long as the host is doing a super job.

Lastly, I find Pipp's comment funny. "when you pay more for a service at one place then you would do for a service just as good elswhere then your gething fuckt" - You're not getting fucked, you just never did your research and shopped it before signing up. That puts you at fault, not the host. Everyone has the right to set their own pricing.... basic business! Low pricing = High Volume, High pricing = Low volume.... Probably somewhere in the middle is the sweet spot.

That's my

Brad

Smegma · 05-31-2002, 01:33 PM

"newbler".. you made that up...

dats funny

newbler...

wired1 · 05-31-2002, 01:38 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by FATPad
I saw that saying "You get what you pay for" about hosting again, and it made me wonder...

At what point does "You get what you pay for" turn into "You're getting hosed like a newbler"?

It really all depends upon the hosting company itself.

I have paid for midrange and high-end hosting/servers and gotten horrible service. I have also gotten killer deals with some smaller companies and gotten great service, network uptime, ect..,

Your getting reamed when your support doesnt respond to your emails or your server is more down than up. It can happen with $1000 Sun or a $100 cobalt raq. More often than not its not just the Mack daddy Datacenter and the gold plated Bandwidth that counts, its the Poeple who are Adminstering and managing it...

just another

salsbury · 05-31-2002, 01:42 PM

yep it comes down to the people. the places you want to be at have sysadmins that are protective of "their" servers - the ones that are proud of their uptime and get upset when shit goes south. they're the ones that care about your sites (tho they might also be a bit abrasive at times "what the hell script did you install that pegged the CPU"

)

Brad Mitchell · 05-31-2002, 01:42 PM

Right on Wired1!

Fletch XXX · 05-31-2002, 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rocco
When you will test like 8-10 hosting company you will know which one are the best :-)

Rocco

Havent hit 10... but you're right. These guys can talk figures all day, all I know is what I see when I surf it, and how my sites on different hosts are.

05-31-2002, 12:38 PM	#1
FATPad Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 6,693	Hosting question I saw that saying "You get what you pay for" about hosting again, and it made me wonder... At what point does "You get what you pay for" turn into "You're getting hosed like a newbler"? The prices at Sextracker's hosting got me thinking about this. They're a lot more expensive than everyone else, so getting what you pay for isn't really applicable. At some point, you're just getting fucked. What point is that for you? __________________ <a href="http://www.adultcontent.co.uk">Adult Content UK - Great British Content</a>

05-31-2002, 12:50 PM	#5
salsbury Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Seattle Posts: 1,070	how much bandwidth would you be using? their prices might not be as high as you think. in any case.. i don't think you're necessarily fucked just by paying more for one service than another, if all other things are equal. i guess it depends on what you'd end up saving by being at another place. if you're only doing 100gb a month and the other place is 50 cents cheaper a gig you're only saving $50. i dont call that fucked. __________________

05-31-2002, 12:52 PM	#6
Brad Mitchell Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Southfield, MI Posts: 9,812	I think you're right, there is a delicate balance between 'getting what you pay for' and simply paying too much. What would I look out for? 1) Lengthy contracts with lots of legal jargon. I feel that if you're not happy with your host you should be able to pick up and go and they should even HELP you with that (as long as you've paid your bills)! Some of the companies out there will sue you for the remainder of your hosting contract..... ouch! 2) There is a real wide spectrum of hosting prices out there. Before writing a host off as being too expensive it's always a good idea to look at 5-10 hosts. It seems like a select few super cheap hosts taint perception for everyone. Look at my other thread, there's already two people bitching about my prices. Yet, when I developed my price matrix I shopped myself against about two dozen adult hosts to develop those prices which I thought were a good value. 3) Look for hidden fees! Some hosts out there will not only charge a premium but also nickel and dime you for every damned thing. Me, for example, everything is on OUR dime when something goes wrong for one of our dedicated clients. And, small script installs or troubleshooting is always free. I always like the honest approach. If a hosting company seems too expensive get those guys on the phone and ask them what's up! Say, "look! these X companies are charging Y and you're so much more then that". See if they can give you a price justification that makes sense AND makes you want to give them your business. Many won't be able to do that or you'll feel like you're seeing right through them when they get on the phone. Equinox is right! No company is downtime proof. Go to Candid's site and they say they have 0.00% downtime. What about those threads a few weeks ago about their network being down? LOL Was everyone imagining that? For me, any host that says there is never the potential for downtime is a liar and I'd never give him the business. Conversely, any host that experiences frequent downtime is someone you want to switch from! I agree with Salsbury too... Saving $50 bucks per month is negligable to any serious webmaster. I'd even venture to say that the margin of savings could be much wider depending on your volume without really mattering as long as the host is doing a super job. Lastly, I find Pipp's comment funny. "when you pay more for a service at one place then you would do for a service just as good elswhere then your gething fuckt" - You're not getting fucked, you just never did your research and shopped it before signing up. That puts you at fault, not the host. Everyone has the right to set their own pricing.... basic business! Low pricing = High Volume, High pricing = Low volume.... Probably somewhere in the middle is the sweet spot. That's my Brad __________________ President at MojoHost \| brad at mojohost dot com \| Skype MojoHostBrad 71 industry awards for hosting and professional excellence since 1999

05-31-2002, 01:42 PM	#9
salsbury Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Seattle Posts: 1,070	yep it comes down to the people. the places you want to be at have sysadmins that are protective of "their" servers - the ones that are proud of their uptime and get upset when shit goes south. they're the ones that care about your sites (tho they might also be a bit abrasive at times "what the hell script did you install that pegged the CPU" ) __________________

05-31-2002, 01:42 PM	#10
Brad Mitchell Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Southfield, MI Posts: 9,812	Right on Wired1! __________________ President at MojoHost \| brad at mojohost dot com \| Skype MojoHostBrad 71 industry awards for hosting and professional excellence since 1999

05-31-2002, 12:44 PM	#2
pipp Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Where the sun don't shine Posts: 1,185	when you pay more for a service at one place then you would do for a service just as good elswhere then your gething fuckt. The hard part is finding a service that is god and not gething fuckt

05-31-2002, 12:46 PM	#3
X37375787 Guest Posts: n/a	Sextracker's pricing on the website is ridiculous ~ I'm 100% sure that you could setup a custom deal for a better price though.... just like anywhere else. No hosting company is downtime-proof, just like we saw yesterday when WS, EP, Elephantlist and Sleazy were down. But once you pay $2 per gig and you're down 3 hours a day, you might wanna start thinking about gettin a new host.

05-31-2002, 12:47 PM	#4
Rocco Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 30	When you will test like 8-10 hosting company you will know which one are the best :-) Rocco

05-31-2002, 01:33 PM	#7
Smegma Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 1,751	"newbler".. you made that up... dats funny newbler...