GGWCASH Low Productivity Email - Anybody Else Get This From Them? - GoFuckYourself.com

looky_lou · 06-24-2006, 04:58 AM

Got this email from GGWCASH today. Anybody else been hit up with this?

Dear Webmaster:

Please be advised that the vast majority of your sign-ups have been canceling within the first 3 days of their memberships. This cancellation rate is well below our acceptable productivity levels. Your revenues-due is not in jeopardy and will be paid, but changes are needed.

Please reply with an explanation of how you are promoting GGW. We do want you to be successful with the program and perhaps certain advertising modifications may correct the problem.

Sheldon, Accounts Management

gooddomains · 06-24-2006, 04:58 AM

yep, seen that one before

Jace · 06-24-2006, 05:12 AM

good for them, at least they are willing to work with you

ever seen their members area? is there a reason on their end people aren't sticking around? if not, it might be time to work on your traffic...is it tgp traffic or something?

chodadog · 06-24-2006, 05:36 AM

Are you perhaps promising the surfer too much in your sales pitch? It's one of the most common mistakes i see.

Manowar · 06-24-2006, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by gooddomains

yep, seen that one before

doubt it somehow

georgeyw · 06-24-2006, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Jace

good for them, at least they are willing to work with you

ever seen their members area? is there a reason on their end people aren't sticking around? if not, it might be time to work on your traffic...is it tgp traffic or something?

Jace - I think they've sent this email out to a SHITLOAD of affiliates. I got the email and I can tell you that my traffic rebills nicely on other programs. I've seen in the members of GGW and well there's alot but there's not. I personally can't find where updates are if any have been made ever. The pic quality is appaulling at best.

I don't know about them being all that willing to 'work' with people. They asked for an *explanation*. I talked to their aff rep and I got the impression that alot of emails had been sent out. There are NO TOS or anything at all on the site with respect to conversions to full membership.

Personally i'm willing to work with them BUT I do think it's an internal problem rather than an affiliate problem. I think they should have a look at how many affiliates this email has been sent out too (that is if they already have not).

Also the email IMO was pretty damn rude and focusing the problem on the affiliate. Not real happy at the treatment thus far.

Jace · 06-24-2006, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by georgeyw

Jace - I think they've sent this email out to a SHITLOAD of affiliates. I got the email and I can tell you that my traffic rebills nicely on other programs. I've seen in the members of GGW and well there's alot but there's not. I personally can't find where updates are if any have been made ever. The pic quality is appaulling at best.

I don't know about them being all that willing to 'work' with people. They asked for an *explanation*. I talked to their aff rep and I got the impression that alot of emails had been sent out. There are NO TOS or anything at all on the site with respect to conversions to full membership.

Personally i'm willing to work with them BUT I do think it's an internal problem rather than an affiliate problem. I think they should have a look at how many affiliates this email has been sent out too (that is if they already have not).

Also the email IMO was pretty damn rude and focusing the problem on the affiliate. Not real happy at the treatment thus far.

oh wow, if the quality of the members area is anything like you say, I think the fault of members not carrying over to full is not the affiliates fault

it never ceases to amaze me the amount of shitty members areas out there...members areas are SOOOOO god damn easy to create, and to create one that surfers like and is easily navigated is not a hard task

and you would think with all the GGW videos being also on high quality dvd's, that the quality of the pics and vids in there would be at least dvd quality

SmokeyTheBear · 06-24-2006, 08:47 AM

nothing against ggw , but if they run their web program anything like their t.v. program , its not suprising so many people chargeback after signing up..

fox tv consumer report.

http://video.fox6.com/launcher/162895

http://video.fox6.com/launcher/162896

heres a bbb type site with complaints

http://www.ripoffreport.com/results....rls+Gone+Wild+

georgeyw · 06-24-2006, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Jace

oh wow, if the quality of the members area is anything like you say, I think the fault of members not carrying over to full is not the affiliates fault

it never ceases to amaze me the amount of shitty members areas out there...members areas are SOOOOO god damn easy to create, and to create one that surfers like and is easily navigated is not a hard task

and you would think with all the GGW videos being also on high quality dvd's, that the quality of the pics and vids in there would be at least dvd quality

The screen caps are absolutely shithouse! The video quality isn't all that great either. Having said that, I think the product is selling very well (initial sales anyways) purely because of the reputation it has buit up for itself. Perhaps a little more thought needs to go into the web side of things?

If they film in HD then I think they should seriously think about increasing the quality of the movies they have online along with the screencaps. Most screen caps suck on serious ASS!

georgeyw · 06-24-2006, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

nothing against ggw , but if they run their web program anything like their t.v. program , its not suprising so many people chargeback after signing up..

fox tv consumer report.

http://video.fox6.com/launcher/162895

http://video.fox6.com/launcher/162896

heres a bbb type site with complaints

http://www.ripoffreport.com/results....rls+Gone+Wild+

Fuck me drunk up and down sideways.

SmokeyTheBear · 06-24-2006, 08:55 AM

i bet people that watch that consumer report and had already signed up online with them would cancel

georgeyw · 06-24-2006, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

i bet people that watch that consumer report and had already signed up online with them would cancel

Good point Smokey. They'd more than likely get the frightened off.

Do a search for "girls gone wild"
http://www.google.com.au/search?q=gi...&start=10&sa=N

page two I get
http://www.consumeraffairs.com/misc/wild.html
and
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0419043ggw1.html <- although not really about the company itself...

Pure Evil · 06-24-2006, 09:04 AM

just like i said last night

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Originally Posted by Pure Evil

first, GGW isn't even a shadow of what it once was and everyone knows that. It used to be actual amateur girls being filmed flashing which was why everyone bought it and they sold a fuckload; because there was a chance that you might see a girl on there that you knew. Now its a sorry ass joke of its former self. it's a wannabe porn company that hires girls to pretend that it's their first time getting naked on camera or making out with another girl or some other bullshit lie that a retarded blind monkey could see through. it's fucking pathetic and it insults my intelligence.

bottom line, if they showed that commercial a few times every few nights that would be one thing, but when they show those damn commercials during EVERY commercial break after 11pm every fucking night that is no longer effective marketing. it's shoving it down your fucking throat every chance they get and it ends up doing just the opposite of what they intended.

i seriously doubt that the affiliates are doing anything wrong or different than usual. GGW might want to think about taking a serious look at the real problem instead of just blaming their affiliates

EdgeXXX · 06-24-2006, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Jace

it never ceases to amaze me the amount of shitty members areas out there...

I have never seen the GGW membrs area so I can't comment on theirs but overall (in the industry) I think you hit the nail on the head, Jace. I agree 100% with this statement.

georgeyw · 06-24-2006, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Pure Evil

just like i said last night

i seriously doubt that the affiliates are doing anything wrong or different than usual. GGW might want to think about taking a serious look at the real problem instead of just blaming their affiliates

got a link to that thread?

czarina · 06-24-2006, 09:14 AM

I think that a program's productivity has nothing at all to do with how the webmaster sends its clicks, it has to do with the content that they have, the customer service that they offer, and mostly with how accurate the members area is to what they offered in the tour.

Corona · 06-24-2006, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

nothing against ggw , but if they run their web program anything like their t.v. program , its not suprising so many people chargeback after signing up..

fox tv consumer report.

http://video.fox6.com/launcher/162895

http://video.fox6.com/launcher/162896

heres a bbb type site with complaints

http://www.ripoffreport.com/results....rls+Gone+Wild+

About 6 years ago I ordered the 2 DVDs off the TV commercial. I stayed a member for a couple of months.

Then I tried to cancel.

After 3 months of run around I finally got cancelled but only after involving the California Attorney Generals office. They told me my expericence was not unique.

camuseeme · 06-24-2006, 11:12 AM

They sent be a tee-shirt today.

DigitalPimp · 06-24-2006, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by czarina

I think that a program's productivity has nothing at all to do with how the webmaster sends its clicks, it has to do with the content that they have, the customer service that they offer, and mostly with how accurate the members area is to what they offered in the tour.

I agree. Not having seen the members area I don't know if the tour promises are made in the members area but a few things jump out at me. First the tour claims members will have access to "exclusive clips". Maybe some of these "exclusive clips" are taken from one of the many DVDs that some members may have already seen.

It also claims it is "updated every day" and "DVD quality video" yet someone wrote above he could not find the updates and the video quality was not great. If they truly update everyday and have DVD quality videos, why not add a section on the tour that shows a sample DVD quality video added everyday and definetely make it easy to find full versions of such in the members area.

Pure Evil · 06-24-2006, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by georgeyw

got a link to that thread?

yeah, here you go: http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=625296

stev0 · 06-24-2006, 01:18 PM

I got the email too... at least it's not just me ;)

kane · 06-24-2006, 01:31 PM

I didn't get the email nor have I seen the member's area of the site so I can't say what it is like. However, I think what they may be doing is making sure that people aren't running one of those sites that tells the surfers to buy a trial join, download all the stuff from the sites and then cancel before the rebill. If someone is doing that type of thing (or if they are promising something that the site doesn't have) then I think GGW should be able to either remove you from the program or switch you to partnership payouts. But if you are using normal stuff like thier banners, hosted galleries and basic/typical marketing then they need to make sure that the surfer gets what the tour promises and has a decent amount of content.

Benny · 06-24-2006, 02:06 PM

Hey Fuckers... Benny here, I oversee the GGWCash program. Reena and Syl do most of the heavy lifting on the boards tho, so you've probably seen them posting a whole lot more than me... Anyway, regarding the productivity notices and the comments here...

We have been evaluating traffic since we launched in the affiliate marketplace back in feb. We have lots of webmasters who convert really well with the the initial sale as well as from the trial to full membership. But, as with ALL pay per sale programs there are a handful of accounts and/or traffic sources that don't convert well. Most of the time it's just that the traffic doesn't match up that well with the product. Occasionally we get WM's who over promise... But anyone who understands the affiliate model knows how this works.

So we've identified a very small group of accounts that have really poor trial conversion rates and we need to work with them to improve the rates, or switch them over to a rev share program or a full price only tour. We can't just lose money, the program will fall apart and then all our webmasters, even the ones with the good converting traffic will be out of luck..

Regarding the statement that a shit load of these notices went out... I can tell you it was less than 10 because I reviewed and approved the list personally.

Regarding updates... The top right hand corner of the members area index page is dedicated to the latest updates, which are daily.....

Regarding the rest of the content... Screen caps aren't ideal and we have a shitload of new material that is in process from the spring break activities from the past couple of months. But more important that what we have or what we don't have with content is the fact that we have MANY accounts that convert from the trial just fine. Including accounts that promote on World Sex and The Hun. If the members area was truly bad none of the traffic would convert...

So, apoologies if the notices come as a shock or they've created any anxiety... But running a successful profitable program is our goal, which benefits all of you. We want to be around for the long term, as I'm sure all of you do....

Don't panic and get all bent out of shape, just work with our account reps to see what can be done to improve your numbers. We didn't hold back any money, and we're not kicking anyone out of the program... So let's focus on making some money together....

BB

Snake Doctor · 06-24-2006, 02:13 PM

Nastydollars did this a long time ago to alot of webmasters, and their members areas rock hard.
It's just the way it is with PPS, I'm sure they'd still take your traffic on a revshare basis.

As for the members area, it is what it is, you can't be promising the members hardcore or girls doing double dildos or getting gang banged and shit (and I've seen lots of webmasters promising shit like that when promoting sites that were really softcore)

GGW is mostly tits and ass, it's just tits and ass that you won't see anywhere else. (Not just exclusive in the sense that they produced it themselves, but exclusive in the sense that these are girls you won't see anywhere else)

Promote it like that and you should be fine. All the joins I sent them have been from TGP traffic and I didn't get a productivity email.

stev0 · 06-24-2006, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Lenny2

Nastydollars did this a long time ago to alot of webmasters, and their members areas rock hard.
It's just the way it is with PPS, I'm sure they'd still take your traffic on a revshare basis.

As for the members area, it is what it is, you can't be promising the members hardcore or girls doing double dildos or getting gang banged and shit (and I've seen lots of webmasters promising shit like that when promoting sites that were really softcore)

GGW is mostly tits and ass, it's just tits and ass that you won't see anywhere else. (Not just exclusive in the sense that they produced it themselves, but exclusive in the sense that these are girls you won't see anywhere else)

Promote it like that and you should be fine. All the joins I sent them have been from TGP traffic and I didn't get a productivity email.

The GGW members area offers both softcore flashing stuff and more hardcore girl on girl stuff... So I dont think that would be the problem. Although one thing that I think they could improve on is if they archived the old "web exclusive" content instead of removing it when they add in the new stuff.

stev0 · 06-24-2006, 02:35 PM

Benny, another suggestion... Have you guys thought about adding in plugins?

I know you've got the banned from TV access included with the GGW membership, but I dont think anyone looking for nudie pics is looking for "banned from tv" car crashes and such.

I bet a few plugins like these,
http://rockstarcontent.com/Browse_de...3/parent_ids/0

would be great for member retention

Benny · 06-24-2006, 04:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lenny2

GGW is mostly tits and ass, it's just tits and ass that you won't see anywhere else. (Not just exclusive in the sense that they produced it themselves, but exclusive in the sense that these are girls you won't see anywhere else)

Promote it like that and you should be fine.

Couldn't have said it better myself

Benny · 06-24-2006, 04:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stev0

Benny, another suggestion... Have you guys thought about adding in plugins?

I know you've got the banned from TV access included with the GGW membership, but I dont think anyone looking for nudie pics is looking for "banned from tv" car crashes and such.

I bet a few plugins like these,
http://rockstarcontent.com/Browse_de...3/parent_ids/0

would be great for member retention

Hey stev0... We have discussed the plug ins, but we need a little bigger archive of some of the exclusives before we're ready. We'll keep everyone posted about it at www.ggwcash.com.... The GGW camera crews were out in force this past spring so we're processing tons of footage and pics now. Should have some killer new material for everyone soon.

You'd be surprised how many hits we get on the Banned series... It's the train wreck that you can't turn away from. Definitely alternative material for this site

I want to build a tour out of it and include it in the GGWcash program. Anyone think they have traffic for it??

Benny

polish_aristocrat · 06-24-2006, 04:20 PM

will epassporte payments be available for GGW Cash ?

EdgeXXX · 06-24-2006, 04:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Benny

Hey Fuckers... Benny here, I oversee the GGWCash program. Reena and Syl do most of the heavy lifting on the boards tho, so you've probably seen them posting a whole lot more than me... Anyway, regarding the productivity notices and the comments here...

We have been evaluating traffic since we launched in the affiliate marketplace back in feb. We have lots of webmasters who convert really well with the the initial sale as well as from the trial to full membership. But, as with ALL pay per sale programs there are a handful of accounts and/or traffic sources that don't convert well. Most of the time it's just that the traffic doesn't match up that well with the product. Occasionally we get WM's who over promise... But anyone who understands the affiliate model knows how this works.

So we've identified a very small group of accounts that have really poor trial conversion rates and we need to work with them to improve the rates, or switch them over to a rev share program or a full price only tour. We can't just lose money, the program will fall apart and then all our webmasters, even the ones with the good converting traffic will be out of luck..

Regarding the statement that a shit load of these notices went out... I can tell you it was less than 10 because I reviewed and approved the list personally.

Regarding updates... The top right hand corner of the members area index page is dedicated to the latest updates, which are daily.....

Regarding the rest of the content... Screen caps aren't ideal and we have a shitload of new material that is in process from the spring break activities from the past couple of months. But more important that what we have or what we don't have with content is the fact that we have MANY accounts that convert from the trial just fine. Including accounts that promote on World Sex and The Hun. If the members area was truly bad none of the traffic would convert...

So, apoologies if the notices come as a shock or they've created any anxiety... But running a successful profitable program is our goal, which benefits all of you. We want to be around for the long term, as I'm sure all of you do....

Don't panic and get all bent out of shape, just work with our account reps to see what can be done to improve your numbers. We didn't hold back any money, and we're not kicking anyone out of the program... So let's focus on making some money together....

BB

I don't promote GGW, so I am not going to take sides one way or the other. However, there are a few things that I don't understand about GGWCash's methods in this matter. First and foremost: If there were less than 10 accounts that caused your concern, why not just check out the referring URL yourselves and see just what it is that they are promising before sending out the warning emails?

UtahSaints · 06-24-2006, 04:38 PM

most programs would just close your account and claim fraud.. so class move by GGW cash.

stev0 · 06-24-2006, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Benny

Hey stev0... We have discussed the plug ins, but we need a little bigger archive of some of the exclusives before we're ready. We'll keep everyone posted about it at www.ggwcash.com.... The GGW camera crews were out in force this past spring so we're processing tons of footage and pics now. Should have some killer new material for everyone soon.

You'd be surprised how many hits we get on the Banned series... It's the train wreck that you can't turn away from. Definitely alternative material for this site

I want to build a tour out of it and include it in the GGWcash program. Anyone think they have traffic for it??

Benny

Nice, looking forward to the new material

Any chance of making the members area videos a little higher resolution? The tour says dvd quality but the members area videos look about 352x240.. that might be causing low retention as well.

Another suggestion would be to draw more attention to the "web exclusives" area, which IMO is the best part of the members area. Perhaps add a link to somehow integrate it into the "videos" area? I imagine alot of members just check out the videos and pictures tab, then cancel because they are dissapointed.

Or perhaps test using a 1 day trial instead of a 3 day trial? Would give the surfer less time to surf the entire members area.

Feel free to hit me up on icq if you want to have a look at my galleries and how im promoting the program, if there's anything I can do on my end im interested in trying it out. icq is 421-3411, ggwcash id is stev0

georgeyw · 06-24-2006, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by EdgeXXX

I don't promote GGW, so I am not going to take sides one way or the other. However, there are a few things that I don't understand about GGWCash's methods in this matter. First and foremost: If there were less than 10 accounts that caused your concern, why not just check out the referring URL yourselves and see just what it is that they are promising before sending out the warning emails?

Because it's bs.

If there were less than 10 emails sent out. Then why were they sent out as automated 'Dear Webmaster'. Replies have not been made.

bdld · 06-24-2006, 06:23 PM

their members area isn't impressive at all. if i remember correctly, you couldn't download any videos, just view them on the screen.

fris · 06-24-2006, 06:47 PM

dont sent crap traffic.

Pornwolf · 06-24-2006, 07:21 PM

With a well kown name like GGW I wonder how many joins they would get without affilliates.

stev0 · 06-24-2006, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Fris

dont sent crap traffic.

If they buy a membership to start with it's not "crap traffic"

arock10 · 06-24-2006, 08:34 PM

I gotta say, I didn't receive an email, and GGW rocks. Was converting like 1:75 for a while. You guys need to make more of the galleries with the midgets in them, hot topless chicks and midgets FUCKING CONVERT LIKE SOME SHIT!

looky_lou · 06-25-2006, 12:06 AM

Just to clarify my situation. I am using banners, standard text links, FHGs, and some of my own picture galleries. I am not doing anything misleading at all.

My traffic is mostly very niche appropriate to GGW. My sites are www.bikinipartygirls.com, www.bikinidevil.com, www.partygirlzone.com. I do have text links on my teen and general hardcore sites, but the majority of traffic is from these three sites.

I have been in the biz since 1997 and never been warned or canceled by any program, so this just seemed weird to me.

SomeCreep · 06-25-2006, 12:40 AM

If a program is going to bitch about cancellations, then they shouldnt offer PPS. PPS means you're going to make big profit on a certain % of webmasters and take a loss on others.

BabeHunter · 06-25-2006, 12:42 AM

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Originally Posted by arock10

I gotta say, I didn't receive an email, and GGW rocks. Was converting like 1:75 for a while. You guys need to make more of the galleries with the midgets in them, hot topless chicks and midgets FUCKING CONVERT LIKE SOME SHIT!

yeah i agree...better hosted galleries would be great!

pocketkangaroo · 06-25-2006, 12:54 AM

Quote:

GGW is mostly tits and ass, it's just tits and ass that you won't see anywhere else. (Not just exclusive in the sense that they produced it themselves, but exclusive in the sense that these are girls you won't see anywhere else)

But I think that is one of the problems. GGW is totally different now. It used to be about picking random girls out and having them flash the camera. Now there is just too much staged stuff and many of the girls look like professionals.

The lure of GGW was that the girl was a total amateur and the same girl you walk past on the street everyday. I think people expect that with the GGW brand and they aren't getting it. There are millions of sites that you can see tits and ass, but GGW was the one that you could see your neighbor doing it.

Wrufian · 06-25-2006, 01:12 AM

Never got such an email. Then again...I just made a bunch of cash in the last week from GGW. Just a simple text link "Girls Gone Wild" Nothing else. No pics, no vids, no other text, no fuck all...Just the name.

Good for the program to reach out and ask questions and help the affiliates. I've been waiting for a conclusion to some business with Adult.com for 2 months now. It'd be embarassing to even tell you the amount of $ involved and STILL no resolution. Nice to see a program make an effort to make sure that the people that are promoting them are taken care of. Without us...There is no YOU.

I haven't had a problem with them converting. With what's happened in the last week, I doubt I'lll be having a problem anytime soon.(Just make sure it stays amateur-ish. Too many pro-looking, silicone having, botox using girls will ruin it. Keep it real!!!!)

Anyway...If you got a letter, respond back and see what they have to say. They might just help you make some cash.

Benny · 06-25-2006, 10:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stev0

Nice, looking forward to the new material

Any chance of making the members area videos a little higher resolution? The tour says dvd quality but the members area videos look about 352x240.. that might be causing low retention as well.

Another suggestion would be to draw more attention to the "web exclusives" area, which IMO is the best part of the members area. Perhaps add a link to somehow integrate it into the "videos" area? I imagine alot of members just check out the videos and pictures tab, then cancel because they are dissapointed.

Or perhaps test using a 1 day trial instead of a 3 day trial? Would give the surfer less time to surf the entire members area.

Feel free to hit me up on icq if you want to have a look at my galleries and how im promoting the program, if there's anything I can do on my end im interested in trying it out. icq is 421-3411, ggwcash id is stev0

stev0 - Great suggestions, thanks... We're always working at changing and improving the site, I think your feedback and observations are right on the money...

We'll definitely hit you up to see how you're promoting. We also have a couple new features we need to beta test... interested?? :groucho

Benny · 06-25-2006, 11:02 AM

polish_aristocrat - Yup, we just got the word on Thursday that the account is set up. You guys can expect a notice on this as early as next week....

arock10, Wrufian, everyone... Thanks for the props and the suggestions....

looky_lou - Dude we've gotta talk. With domains like yours we've gotta find a way to convert the traffic/trials and make some $$ together... I'll shoot a note to the addy you used on the account, maybe a quick conf call with my marketing team next week to get started with...

EdgeXXX · 06-25-2006, 11:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo

But I think that is one of the problems. GGW is totally different now. It used to be about picking random girls out and having them flash the camera. Now there is just too much staged stuff and many of the girls look like professionals.

The lure of GGW was that the girl was a total amateur and the same girl you walk past on the street everyday. I think people expect that with the GGW brand and they aren't getting it. There are millions of sites that you can see tits and ass, but GGW was the one that you could see your neighbor doing it.

I agree 100%. Couldn't have said it better myself.

ProjectNaked · 06-25-2006, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo

...There are millions of sites that you can see tits and ass, but GGW was the one that you could see your neighbor doing it.

:food-smil nothing to see here but...

looky_lou · 06-25-2006, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Benny

looky_lou - Dude we've gotta talk. With domains like yours we've gotta find a way to convert the traffic/trials and make some $$ together... I'll shoot a note to the addy you used on the account, maybe a quick conf call with my marketing team next week to get started with...

Yeah, I have been selling this type of site for a long time now. Thats why I don't understand why my surfers would not convert to full at a higher rate.

Contact me anytime at: lou [at] bikinipartygirls [dot] com, ICQ [173]817(405)
Should be the same as info on my account.

looky_lou · 06-26-2006, 10:31 PM

I responded to the original email on Friday morning.

Still waiting to get a response back.

Brujah · 06-26-2006, 10:51 PM

Didn't get this email.. sales seemed to have picked up this month compared to last month. Didn't get my hat tho :/

06-24-2006, 04:58 AM	#1
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chodadog Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 9,736	Are you perhaps promising the surfer too much in your sales pitch? It's one of the most common mistakes i see. __________________ 26 + 6 = 1

06-24-2006, 08:47 AM	#8
SmokeyTheBear ►SouthOfHeaven Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: PlanetEarth MyBoardRank: GerbilMaster My-Penis-Size: extralarge MyWeapon: Computer Posts: 28,609	nothing against ggw , but if they run their web program anything like their t.v. program , its not suprising so many people chargeback after signing up.. fox tv consumer report. http://video.fox6.com/launcher/162895 http://video.fox6.com/launcher/162896 heres a bbb type site with complaints http://www.ripoffreport.com/results....rls+Gone+Wild+ __________________ hatisblack at yahoo.com

06-24-2006, 08:55 AM	#11
SmokeyTheBear ►SouthOfHeaven Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: PlanetEarth MyBoardRank: GerbilMaster My-Penis-Size: extralarge MyWeapon: Computer Posts: 28,609	i bet people that watch that consumer report and had already signed up online with them would cancel __________________ hatisblack at yahoo.com

06-24-2006, 11:12 AM	#18
camuseeme Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Little Rock, Ar Posts: 413	They sent be a tee-shirt today. __________________ Get in While it's HOT ICQ 190384930 http://www.girlsgonewildpass.com

06-24-2006, 04:58 AM	#2
gooddomains Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Netherlands Posts: 10,127	yep, seen that one before

06-24-2006, 05:12 AM	#3
Jace FBOP Class Of 2013 Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: bumfuck, ky Posts: 35,562	good for them, at least they are willing to work with you ever seen their members area? is there a reason on their end people aren't sticking around? if not, it might be time to work on your traffic...is it tgp traffic or something?

06-24-2006, 09:14 AM	#16
czarina Webmaster Extraordinaire Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: A beautiful beach... Posts: 10,748	I think that a program's productivity has nothing at all to do with how the webmaster sends its clicks, it has to do with the content that they have, the customer service that they offer, and mostly with how accurate the members area is to what they offered in the tour.

06-24-2006, 01:18 PM	#21
stev0 Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Calgary, Alberta Posts: 6,801	I got the email too... at least it's not just me ;)

06-24-2006, 01:31 PM	#22
kane Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: portland, OR Posts: 20,684	I didn't get the email nor have I seen the member's area of the site so I can't say what it is like. However, I think what they may be doing is making sure that people aren't running one of those sites that tells the surfers to buy a trial join, download all the stuff from the sites and then cancel before the rebill. If someone is doing that type of thing (or if they are promising something that the site doesn't have) then I think GGW should be able to either remove you from the program or switch you to partnership payouts. But if you are using normal stuff like thier banners, hosted galleries and basic/typical marketing then they need to make sure that the surfer gets what the tour promises and has a decent amount of content.

06-24-2006, 02:06 PM	#23
Benny Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 275	Hey Fuckers... Benny here, I oversee the GGWCash program. Reena and Syl do most of the heavy lifting on the boards tho, so you've probably seen them posting a whole lot more than me... Anyway, regarding the productivity notices and the comments here... We have been evaluating traffic since we launched in the affiliate marketplace back in feb. We have lots of webmasters who convert really well with the the initial sale as well as from the trial to full membership. But, as with ALL pay per sale programs there are a handful of accounts and/or traffic sources that don't convert well. Most of the time it's just that the traffic doesn't match up that well with the product. Occasionally we get WM's who over promise... But anyone who understands the affiliate model knows how this works. So we've identified a very small group of accounts that have really poor trial conversion rates and we need to work with them to improve the rates, or switch them over to a rev share program or a full price only tour. We can't just lose money, the program will fall apart and then all our webmasters, even the ones with the good converting traffic will be out of luck.. Regarding the statement that a shit load of these notices went out... I can tell you it was less than 10 because I reviewed and approved the list personally. Regarding updates... The top right hand corner of the members area index page is dedicated to the latest updates, which are daily..... Regarding the rest of the content... Screen caps aren't ideal and we have a shitload of new material that is in process from the spring break activities from the past couple of months. But more important that what we have or what we don't have with content is the fact that we have MANY accounts that convert from the trial just fine. Including accounts that promote on World Sex and The Hun. If the members area was truly bad none of the traffic would convert... So, apoologies if the notices come as a shock or they've created any anxiety... But running a successful profitable program is our goal, which benefits all of you. We want to be around for the long term, as I'm sure all of you do.... Don't panic and get all bent out of shape, just work with our account reps to see what can be done to improve your numbers. We didn't hold back any money, and we're not kicking anyone out of the program... So let's focus on making some money together.... BB __________________ Bruce at WebQuest dot net

06-24-2006, 02:13 PM	#24
Snake Doctor I'm Lenny2 Bitch Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: On top of my soapbox Posts: 13,449	Nastydollars did this a long time ago to alot of webmasters, and their members areas rock hard. It's just the way it is with PPS, I'm sure they'd still take your traffic on a revshare basis. As for the members area, it is what it is, you can't be promising the members hardcore or girls doing double dildos or getting gang banged and shit (and I've seen lots of webmasters promising shit like that when promoting sites that were really softcore) GGW is mostly tits and ass, it's just tits and ass that you won't see anywhere else. (Not just exclusive in the sense that they produced it themselves, but exclusive in the sense that these are girls you won't see anywhere else) Promote it like that and you should be fine. All the joins I sent them have been from TGP traffic and I didn't get a productivity email.

06-24-2006, 02:35 PM	#26
stev0 Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Calgary, Alberta Posts: 6,801	Benny, another suggestion... Have you guys thought about adding in plugins? I know you've got the banned from TV access included with the GGW membership, but I dont think anyone looking for nudie pics is looking for "banned from tv" car crashes and such. I bet a few plugins like these, http://rockstarcontent.com/Browse_de...3/parent_ids/0 would be great for member retention

06-24-2006, 04:20 PM	#29
polish_aristocrat Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 40,377	will epassporte payments be available for GGW Cash ? __________________ I don't use ICQ anymore.

06-24-2006, 04:38 PM	#31
UtahSaints Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,538	most programs would just close your account and claim fraud.. so class move by GGW cash. __________________ Enjoy Bucks - Enjoy Bucks

06-24-2006, 06:23 PM	#34
bdld $100,000 Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 11,452	their members area isn't impressive at all. if i remember correctly, you couldn't download any videos, just view them on the screen.

06-24-2006, 06:47 PM	#35
fris Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 55,372	dont sent crap traffic. __________________ Since 1999: 69 Adult Industry awards for Best Hosting Company and professional excellence. WP Stuff

06-24-2006, 07:21 PM	#36
Pornwolf Drunk and Unruly Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hollywood Posts: 22,712	With a well kown name like GGW I wonder how many joins they would get without affilliates. __________________ I've trusted my sites to them for over a decade... Webair, bitches.

06-24-2006, 08:34 PM	#38
arock10 Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 6,218	I gotta say, I didn't receive an email, and GGW rocks. Was converting like 1:75 for a while. You guys need to make more of the galleries with the midgets in them, hot topless chicks and midgets FUCKING CONVERT LIKE SOME SHIT! __________________ Sup

06-25-2006, 12:06 AM	#39
looky_lou Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 1,771	Just to clarify my situation. I am using banners, standard text links, FHGs, and some of my own picture galleries. I am not doing anything misleading at all. My traffic is mostly very niche appropriate to GGW. My sites are www.bikinipartygirls.com, www.bikinidevil.com, www.partygirlzone.com. I do have text links on my teen and general hardcore sites, but the majority of traffic is from these three sites. I have been in the biz since 1997 and never been warned or canceled by any program, so this just seemed weird to me. __________________ PUSSY - PUSSY - PUSSY! Wet & Puffy - Wet & Pissy - We Like To Suck Puffy Cash

06-25-2006, 12:40 AM	#40
SomeCreep :glugglug Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Where the Wild Things Are Posts: 26,118	If a program is going to bitch about cancellations, then they shouldnt offer PPS. PPS means you're going to make big profit on a certain % of webmasters and take a loss on others. __________________ Webair Hosting I use and recommend Webair for hosting.

06-25-2006, 01:12 AM	#43
Wrufian Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 109	Never got such an email. Then again...I just made a bunch of cash in the last week from GGW. Just a simple text link "Girls Gone Wild" Nothing else. No pics, no vids, no other text, no fuck all...Just the name. Good for the program to reach out and ask questions and help the affiliates. I've been waiting for a conclusion to some business with Adult.com for 2 months now. It'd be embarassing to even tell you the amount of $ involved and STILL no resolution. Nice to see a program make an effort to make sure that the people that are promoting them are taken care of. Without us...There is no YOU. I haven't had a problem with them converting. With what's happened in the last week, I doubt I'lll be having a problem anytime soon.(Just make sure it stays amateur-ish. Too many pro-looking, silicone having, botox using girls will ruin it. Keep it real!!!!) Anyway...If you got a letter, respond back and see what they have to say. They might just help you make some cash.

06-25-2006, 11:02 AM	#45
Benny Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 275	polish_aristocrat - Yup, we just got the word on Thursday that the account is set up. You guys can expect a notice on this as early as next week.... arock10, Wrufian, everyone... Thanks for the props and the suggestions.... looky_lou - Dude we've gotta talk. With domains like yours we've gotta find a way to convert the traffic/trials and make some $$ together... I'll shoot a note to the addy you used on the account, maybe a quick conf call with my marketing team next week to get started with... __________________ Bruce at WebQuest dot net

06-26-2006, 10:31 PM	#49
looky_lou Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 1,771	I responded to the original email on Friday morning. Still waiting to get a response back. __________________ PUSSY - PUSSY - PUSSY! Wet & Puffy - Wet & Pissy - We Like To Suck Puffy Cash

06-26-2006, 10:51 PM	#50
Brujah Beer Money Baron Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: brujah / gmail Posts: 22,157	Didn't get this email.. sales seemed to have picked up this month compared to last month. Didn't get my hat tho :/ __________________ Free Premium Domain Lists and Tools at Clickmojo.com For Sale: Obscenity.com