Looks like Topbucks is making a Big Move into Gay Sites. - GoFuckYourself.com

ZoiNk · 06-09-2002, 07:12 PM

I checked my stats today and saw like 10 new gay sites. Gay Niches, sweet! I haven't seen many sponsors doing this, and I think this will convert gay traffic a lot better. The new ones I see are:
Gay Amateur XXX
Gay Asian XXX
Gay Ebony XXX
Gay Facials XXX
Gay Fetish XXX
Gay Interracial XXX
Gay Mature XXX
Gay Military XXX
Gay Orgy XXX
Gay Videos XXX
Just waiting for linking codes and banners to go up for these. Another

to Topbucks.
ZoiNk

Dawgy · 06-09-2002, 07:20 PM

great. more straight people running sites they know nothing about.

altho i am ever the pessimist, we'll see how they do.

[Labret] · 06-09-2002, 07:23 PM

So true.

They think all they have to do is throw a bunch of over distributed cock pictures of guys from the 80s with no regard to niche, and then throw in some canned feeds of the same tired shit. Wam bam, gay megasite.

They sell like shit.

My favorite is when they make sites with rainbows and other assorted shit they think "gays" will like.

Unless Topbucks new sites are exclusive content, forget it. Will convert like ass.

FATPad · 06-09-2002, 07:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by [Labret]

My favorite is when they make sites with rainbows and other assorted shit they think "gays" will like.

HAHAHA

sweetcuties · 06-09-2002, 07:27 PM

The gay market is vitually untapped... I thought about having a gay site but I don't have the time to run it. I live in a town with a high gay population and every day I have guys calling me... I just turn them down. If someone wants to design an amateur gay site and do 100% of the marketing, I may be interested. I'll hire a gay guy to shoot content, dunno if I can look at cock all day, lol.

Dawgy · 06-09-2002, 07:29 PM

yup yup.

your average gay surfer is not into rainbows or pride or any of that shit. he just wants to see cute boys (or men) doing whatever he likes. that means niche. guys who like twinks dont like bears, and guys who like solo jerkoff pics dont like orgies.

the only ones into rainbows are underage flamers, and they cant pay for a site anyway... so... wuts the point?

Dawgy · 06-09-2002, 07:30 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sweetcuties
The gay market is vitually untapped... I thought about having a gay site but I don't have the time to run it. I live in a town with a high gay population and every day I have guys calling me... I just turn them down. If someone wants to design an amateur gay site and do 100% of the marketing, I may be interested. I'll hire a gay guy to shoot content, dunno if I can look at cock all day, lol.

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Theo · 06-09-2002, 08:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sweetcuties
The gay market is vitually untapped... I thought about having a gay site but I don't have the time to run it. I live in a town with a high gay population and every day I have guys calling me... I just turn them down. If someone wants to design an amateur gay site and do 100% of the marketing, I may be interested. I'll hire a gay guy to shoot content, dunno if I can look at cock all day, lol.

you live in philadelphia!

Jamdin · 06-09-2002, 10:10 PM

They need a straight guy site...does anybody but ARS have a straight site anymore?

sweetcuties · 06-09-2002, 10:16 PM

Soul_Rebel - Nope, kinda close

Milton · 06-17-2002, 02:48 PM

topbucks rocks

Sjayne · 06-17-2002, 02:56 PM

The ones I love are the ones that use abusive langauge..like a little bit of gay bashing mixed with porn is going to get a surfer's dick hard.

Randy · 06-17-2002, 04:06 PM

Hey Lebret...
Yep couldnt agree with you more. the gay market is not as tapped as teh straight one..but to say its untapped its not correct. there are already too many sites that use the same content and the same feeds. Its not as easy a market as the straight one and you have to know how to market it ....

I did some research lately and foun out that 4 out of 7 "big sites had the same content on it...some of the same pics and the same feeds...
If your goingto have a paysite ..get underused content and find some under used feeds....
Of course this is coming from a content provider....but its what I believe...

cat · 06-17-2002, 04:10 PM

i always have good luck with gay sponsors,
much better than straight

TopCashQ · 06-17-2002, 04:33 PM

True, our gay sites are not entirely unique, but I don't see anything wrong with the conversion ratios, to this point. gayfacialxxx.com, for example, is converting at 1/116.6, thus far.

While not all of the sites were designed by gay men, they have all been reviewed, critiqued and "test driven" by gay men, and we make adjustments based on the feedback our members send to us, as well. As with our straight sites, we will be adding alternative front ends and tours based on our continuing research and testing of various approaches.

I understand the thinking behind assuming that a gay designer/marketer would do a superior job in administering a gay site, it's not an entirely sound bit of reasoning. Let's say, for the sake of argument, that I'm a gay man who likes his men big and hairy; how do I have any kind of advantage when designing or marketing a twink site? If the theory goes that one has to be an actual consumer of the kind of porn one is marketing in order to be effective at marketing it, then I'd better hire some chubby chasers to market my BBW sites, a marketer that only goes for Asian girls to market my Asian sites, etc. etc., no?

I'm not going to claim to be an expert on the "gay market", and I think it's a little silly for anyone to claim to be one. There is no such thing, really; the tastes and desires of gay men vary just as widely as straight men, and it's the ultimate in presumption to think that any individual, straight or gay, is going to know what the "right" way to market and design for each individual fetish.

Randy · 06-17-2002, 04:46 PM

Agreed lots of straights hve done well with some great gay sites....
My concern was not so much with your sites (which I have not viewed) but with some of the ones I have seen out there...Alot of the same stuff.

I believe its just important for webmasters to know the niche they are marketing too. Mke sure that what you advertise you have you have.....and to have something on it that people are not going to see plastered everywhere...

Sjayne · 06-17-2002, 07:27 PM

Well for starters 'chubby chaser' is a term used in the gay community to refer to men that like big men - not the straight community. In the straight world, bbw fans, are called FA's or fat admirers. So, yes perhaps someone who knows the niche might be a good idea.

TopCashQ · 06-18-2002, 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sjayne
Well for starters 'chubby chaser' is a term used in the gay community to refer to men that like big men - not the straight community. In the straight world, bbw fans, are called FA's or fat admirers. So, yes perhaps someone who knows the niche might be a good idea.

The term is used in both the gay and straight porn markets. I worked for a porn video/magazine company for several years that had been using "chubby chasers" to describe fans of their BBW mags/videos since the late 1970s, so I don't think it's quite as cut and dry as you are making it seem.

Still, agreed; fat admirers is a better term - it's just not the only one in use. Notice, for example, "Chubby Chasers" Volumes 1-5 on <a href="http://excaliburfilms.com/fetish/fatfetish/fatfetish.htm">this list of straight videos</a>

06-09-2002, 07:12 PM	#1
ZoiNk Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 2,370	Looks like Topbucks is making a Big Move into Gay Sites. I checked my stats today and saw like 10 new gay sites. Gay Niches, sweet! I haven't seen many sponsors doing this, and I think this will convert gay traffic a lot better. The new ones I see are: Gay Amateur XXX Gay Asian XXX Gay Ebony XXX Gay Facials XXX Gay Fetish XXX Gay Interracial XXX Gay Mature XXX Gay Military XXX Gay Orgy XXX Gay Videos XXX Just waiting for linking codes and banners to go up for these. Another to Topbucks. ZoiNk __________________ "People can have the Model T in any color - so long as it's black." - Henry Ford

06-09-2002, 07:20 PM	#2
Dawgy Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 5,856	great. more straight people running sites they know nothing about. altho i am ever the pessimist, we'll see how they do. __________________ the revolution is coming.

06-09-2002, 07:23 PM	#3
[Labret] Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: Са́нкт-Петербу́рг Posts: 10,945	So true. They think all they have to do is throw a bunch of over distributed cock pictures of guys from the 80s with no regard to niche, and then throw in some canned feeds of the same tired shit. Wam bam, gay megasite. They sell like shit. My favorite is when they make sites with rainbows and other assorted shit they think "gays" will like. Unless Topbucks new sites are exclusive content, forget it. Will convert like ass. Last edited by [Labret]; 06-09-2002 at 07:25 PM..

06-09-2002, 07:27 PM	#5
sweetcuties Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Somewhere Posts: 5,859	The gay market is vitually untapped... I thought about having a gay site but I don't have the time to run it. I live in a town with a high gay population and every day I have guys calling me... I just turn them down. If someone wants to design an amateur gay site and do 100% of the marketing, I may be interested. I'll hire a gay guy to shoot content, dunno if I can look at cock all day, lol. __________________

06-09-2002, 07:29 PM	#6
Dawgy Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 5,856	yup yup. your average gay surfer is not into rainbows or pride or any of that shit. he just wants to see cute boys (or men) doing whatever he likes. that means niche. guys who like twinks dont like bears, and guys who like solo jerkoff pics dont like orgies. the only ones into rainbows are underage flamers, and they cant pay for a site anyway... so... wuts the point? __________________ the revolution is coming.

06-09-2002, 10:10 PM	#9
Jamdin Registered User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Kansas Posts: 3,560	They need a straight guy site...does anybody but ARS have a straight site anymore?

06-09-2002, 10:16 PM	#10
sweetcuties Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Somewhere Posts: 5,859	Soul_Rebel - Nope, kinda close __________________

06-17-2002, 02:48 PM	#11
Milton Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Mauritius Posts: 1,118	topbucks rocks

06-17-2002, 02:56 PM	#12
Sjayne Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: London, UK Posts: 1,182	The ones I love are the ones that use abusive langauge..like a little bit of gay bashing mixed with porn is going to get a surfer's dick hard. __________________ <a href="http://www.wishing.com/money">Make 50% commissions promoting our penis pills, breast pills, weight loss pills and more!</a> <a href="http://www.webinc.com">Need Design Work? Check Out Our Huge Design Portfolio Online, Special: 100 Animated Banners, $799.00 </a> - tell them Sarah sent you.

06-17-2002, 04:06 PM	#13
Randy Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: LA Posts: 335	Hey Lebret... Yep couldnt agree with you more. the gay market is not as tapped as teh straight one..but to say its untapped its not correct. there are already too many sites that use the same content and the same feeds. Its not as easy a market as the straight one and you have to know how to market it .... I did some research lately and foun out that 4 out of 7 "big sites had the same content on it...some of the same pics and the same feeds... If your goingto have a paysite ..get underused content and find some under used feeds.... Of course this is coming from a content provider....but its what I believe... __________________ Thanks Randy [email protected]

06-17-2002, 04:10 PM	#14
cat Registered User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: europe Posts: 493	i always have good luck with gay sponsors, much better than straight

06-17-2002, 04:33 PM	#15
TopCashQ Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Tucson, AZ Posts: 141	True, our gay sites are not entirely unique, but I don't see anything wrong with the conversion ratios, to this point. gayfacialxxx.com, for example, is converting at 1/116.6, thus far. While not all of the sites were designed by gay men, they have all been reviewed, critiqued and "test driven" by gay men, and we make adjustments based on the feedback our members send to us, as well. As with our straight sites, we will be adding alternative front ends and tours based on our continuing research and testing of various approaches. I understand the thinking behind assuming that a gay designer/marketer would do a superior job in administering a gay site, it's not an entirely sound bit of reasoning. Let's say, for the sake of argument, that I'm a gay man who likes his men big and hairy; how do I have any kind of advantage when designing or marketing a twink site? If the theory goes that one has to be an actual consumer of the kind of porn one is marketing in order to be effective at marketing it, then I'd better hire some chubby chasers to market my BBW sites, a marketer that only goes for Asian girls to market my Asian sites, etc. etc., no? I'm not going to claim to be an expert on the "gay market", and I think it's a little silly for anyone to claim to be one. There is no such thing, really; the tastes and desires of gay men vary just as widely as straight men, and it's the ultimate in presumption to think that any individual, straight or gay, is going to know what the "right" way to market and design for each individual fetish. __________________ <a href="http://www.topcash.com/">TopCash</a> - paying 6 cents per click - no conversion ratio requirements! <a href="http://www.topbucks.com/">TopBucks</a> $35 - $40 per signup or 80% partnership <a href="http://www.oneverify.com/webmasters/_webmastersinfo.htm">OneVerify.com</a> new AVS paying $20 per TRULY free signup

06-17-2002, 04:46 PM	#16
Randy Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: LA Posts: 335	Agreed lots of straights hve done well with some great gay sites.... My concern was not so much with your sites (which I have not viewed) but with some of the ones I have seen out there...Alot of the same stuff. I believe its just important for webmasters to know the niche they are marketing too. Mke sure that what you advertise you have you have.....and to have something on it that people are not going to see plastered everywhere... __________________ Thanks Randy [email protected]

06-17-2002, 07:27 PM	#17
Sjayne Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: London, UK Posts: 1,182	Well for starters 'chubby chaser' is a term used in the gay community to refer to men that like big men - not the straight community. In the straight world, bbw fans, are called FA's or fat admirers. So, yes perhaps someone who knows the niche might be a good idea. __________________ <a href="http://www.wishing.com/money">Make 50% commissions promoting our penis pills, breast pills, weight loss pills and more!</a> <a href="http://www.webinc.com">Need Design Work? Check Out Our Huge Design Portfolio Online, Special: 100 Animated Banners, $799.00 </a> - tell them Sarah sent you.